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jlf1961 -> Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/12/2012 4:34:20 AM)

This ought to be interesting.

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Residents in a town outside Boston have voted in favour of fining people who swear in public.

At a town meeting on Monday night, residents voted 183-50 to approve a proposal from the police chief to impose a $20 (£12) penalty on public profanity.

Officials insisted the proposal was not intended to censor casual or private conversations, but instead to crack down on loud, profanity-laden language used by teenagers and other young people in the city centre area and public parks.


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I dont see how casual conversation cannot be censored, since profanity has fast become part of the American culture. I have noticed that I have tendency to swear in normal conversation, many of the phrases I use were common during my days in the army. I am not offering an excuse, just stating fact.

Since the birth of my nephew, I have been making a conscious effort to tone down my colorful language and admittedly it is a bit hard. It is far easier to emphasize something by swearing than it is to come up with an equally descriptive or way to emphasize something without cussing. And I am college educated.




Musicmystery -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/12/2012 6:00:37 AM)

I can't see law enforcement rank and file or judges taking this seriously. They have better things to do.

Either that or they're drumming up funding.





DesideriScuri -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/12/2012 6:18:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
This ought to be interesting.
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Residents in a town outside Boston have voted in favour of fining people who swear in public.
At a town meeting on Monday night, residents voted 183-50 to approve a proposal from the police chief to impose a $20 (£12) penalty on public profanity.
Officials insisted the proposal was not intended to censor casual or private conversations, but instead to crack down on loud, profanity-laden language used by teenagers and other young people in the city centre area and public parks.

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I dont see how casual conversation cannot be censored, since profanity has fast become part of the American culture. I have noticed that I have tendency to swear in normal conversation, many of the phrases I use were common during my days in the army. I am not offering an excuse, just stating fact.
Since the birth of my nephew, I have been making a conscious effort to tone down my colorful language and admittedly it is a bit hard. It is far easier to emphasize something by swearing than it is to come up with an equally descriptive or way to emphasize something without cussing. And I am college educated.


I can't see this standing very long. Regardless of what the officials "intended," it is, in fact censoring casual or private conversations. Next thing you know, you'll be guilty for not reporting people who cuss.

Now, there is something that I have always wondered. What makes a word "bad?" Why isn't the word "bad," a "bad word?" If not for societal mores, would anyone really be offended by the word "fuck," simply because the word itself is offensive? What makes it "bad" and not the words, "buck, puck, duck, luck, etc.?" To be honest, I'm a huge fan of fuck. The action is quite enjoyable, but the word itself is amazingly flexible (Warning: Voice-over of George Carlin classic).




kalikshama -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/12/2012 7:01:48 AM)

Middleborough?!? Lol, I associate Middleborough with cheap hotel rooms and partying my ass off in the 90s. After one memorable weekend, which included BDSM but not psychedelics, I was like, "ooo, the colors."




subrob1967 -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/12/2012 10:18:32 AM)

I wonder if they'll send a fine to 50 cent every time a cop overhears some kid blasting his radio while cruising.




littlewonder -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/12/2012 10:32:51 AM)

While someone wasn't fined in public for cursing, when I worked in the court system, I knew two judges who would either fine you or put you in contempt if you swore in their court. It was seen as disrespectful of the authority.

I'm not sure how I feel about the fining in this town. In one way I like it because to be honest, I really don't like cursing even though there are times when it is appropriate I think. But I think cursing is not something children need to hear if we wish to raise our children with good manners. Unfortunately when I'm out I usually hear more cursing than I ever want to hear to the point I cringe and will turn a different corner.

I admit there are times I curse though and after I have said it I cringe at myself because it's not good.




BitaTruble -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/12/2012 11:00:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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Well, that's pretty fucked up.




TNDommeK -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/12/2012 12:41:18 PM)

I used to live in OliveBranch Mississippi, and at the city hall where you paid your utilities (yes we have electricity down here,lol) there was a sign that read: use profanity and be faced with a $100 fine.

There was always a police officer there, so I assume he would have been the one to give you the ticket.




joether -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/12/2012 1:00:43 PM)

I saw this and thought, "Is this 1982?"

I really dont see this law being enforced much less surviving under a legal challenge. Created by people that have nothing better to do with goverment's limited resources. But than, its a town inbetween Tauton and Plymouth. Could be worst, could be Paddleborough. People in that town have no problem with cursing, but with folks doing BDSM behind closed doors....





SternSkipper -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/12/2012 2:35:44 PM)

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This ought to be interesting.

quote:

Residents in a town outside Boston have voted in favour of fining people who swear in public.


At a town meeting on Monday night, residents voted 183-50 to approve a proposal from the police chief to impose a $20 (£12) penalty on public profanity.

Officials insisted the proposal was not intended to censor casual or private conversations, but instead to crack down on loud, profanity-laden language used by teenagers and other young people in the city centre area and public parks.


Okay... don't anybody have a constitutional panic. Here's the deal on Middleborough, they make it sound in the article almost like it's a bedroom community to Boston... It's really not. And it's even closer to Fall River and consequently my home town in RI. And they are also not mentioning the amount of weed that travels through the town (Well known to the police chief ... least previous ones... cause they had a whole method of shaking people down). So this is actually a slacking off on a long established ordinance that would have landed you in Jail and gotten you a _MUNICUIPAL_ court appearance (=ADJUDICATION) .
What it should not probably be seen as is any big constitutional issue (the Town Council may not even have anyone with legal training). It should also not be presumed that it's ANY kind of trend in Massachusetts.
It's funny that they still have that ordinance... a kid we all knew from Middletown, RI got popped there for cussing in 76 and the cops were going to keep him all weekend. Till they found out they would have to deal with the biggest football clan in RI ... I believe someone like the chief or somebody got an 'honorarium' of $500 to make it all go away... and it did.

The original law was something like Public "Cursing, Spitting, And Other Disorderly Conduct"

Either way, don't get out that bar of soap anytime soon MUTHAFUCKAHS!




Karmastic -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/12/2012 2:44:51 PM)

fr-

i agree with general sentiment, if the law was challenged, it would fail.

i think it's a horrible way to try and control what could be a legitimate issue. normally, i would have written this off as people with too much time on their hands, too controlly, or as Musicmystery said, drumming up funding (or may i add, political grandstanding).

but i think i know what the townsfolk are mad about. i once had lowlife meth head neighbors who would hang out and drink beer and talk loudly every evening. i cus and swear myself, so i'm no prude. but these guys were way over the top, being really really loud, and every other word was fuck or shit or bitch (Etc.).

i think the best solution is public nuisance laws which are already on the books. the best solution for my neighbors was another story.









DesideriScuri -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/12/2012 2:53:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
Well, that's pretty fucked up.


$20 please. [sm=discipline.gif]




SternSkipper -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/12/2012 3:22:58 PM)

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But than, its a town inbetween Tauton and Plymouth. Could be worst, could be Paddleborough.


It's funny, we look at SE Mass through our own lenses from 'growing up' I guess... And I can see where if you live more toward the cape you look at it like it's Taunton (and PHYSICALLY, it's closer by a few miles than Fall River) I always approached it by cutting up through the woods and would always see it as the extension of the trip out of Fall River ... through ... hold those giggles Assonet (I always felt for any kid that went to Highschool from there).
I liked the "Paddleborough" joke ... was that a play Padelford? cause that's a town (least it USED to be it's own town) that abutted Middleborough.




TheHeretic -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/12/2012 7:50:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
It is far easier to emphasize something by swearing than it is to come up with an equally descriptive or way to emphasize something without cussing. And I am college educated.



Sorry, dude, but I edit myself into the speech of polite company and civil society every day, still get my point across just fine, and my formal education is shit.


I'm a free speech kind of guy. On that level, the very thought of this gets my hackles up. I'm also a member of a society who appreciates a little civility. From that perspective, I can see the utility of a communal cuss jar.

$20? Maybe it turns down those trash and teenagers who cannot enter a public space without fouling the air. Also, since they are decriminalizing such speech in the process, I might find myself quite willing to lay a bill on the counter, to tell the stupid cunt at the DMV that she works like old people fuck.




Owner59 -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/12/2012 8:04:15 PM)

[:D]




Aim2Plea -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/13/2012 12:03:38 AM)

Oh really... a law that directly goes against the First Amendment in the name of making money for the state?

Nawwwww... can't be.




BKSir -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/13/2012 12:20:32 AM)

I think I speak for everyone there when I say "Fuck that.".




joether -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/13/2012 12:48:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aim2Plea
Oh really... a law that directly goes against the First Amendment in the name of making money for the state?

Nawwwww... can't be.


Actually, its for a town, not a state. It ranks right up there with a host of other Mass blue laws....




Aim2Plea -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/13/2012 4:46:00 AM)

Should go immediately to the supreme court. American soil is American soil regardless of what region, state, county, city, town, village, hamlet, or "unincorporated area" it happens to be in. And upon that soil, the freedom of speech stands as what is supposed to be an unbreakable code.

See Cohen v California.




Aylee -> RE: Massachusetts town orders $20 fines for the minimum of cuss (6/13/2012 5:44:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aim2Plea

Oh really... a law that directly goes against the First Amendment in the name of making money for the state?

Nawwwww... can't be.


Profanity is not protected speech. Just like 'fighting words' are not.




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