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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/10/2012 7:52:39 AM   
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This is called free speech. The Secret Service is obviously wasting time. There is absolutely nothing to investigate.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threatening_the_President_of_the_United_States

Threatening the President of the United States is a class D felony under United States Code Title 18, Section 871. It consists of knowingly and willfully mailing or otherwise making "any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States". The United States Secret Service investigates suspected violations of this law and monitors those who have a history of threatening the President. Because the offense consists of pure speech, the courts have issued rulings attempting to balance the government's interest in protecting the President with free speech rights under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. According to Stalking, Threatening, and Attacking Public Figures, "Hundreds of celebrity howlers threaten the President of the United States every year, sometimes because they disagree with his policies, but more often just because he is the President."[1] The United States Attorneys' Manual states that the Terrorism and Violent Crime Section has supervisory authority over Section 871 cases.[2]

The prototype for Section 871 was the British Treason Act 1351, which made it a crime to "compass or imagine" the death of the King. Convictions under 18 U.S.C. § 871 have been sustained for declaring that "President Wilson ought to be killed. It is a wonder some one has not done it already. If I had an opportunity, I would do it myself.";[3] and for declaring that "Wilson is a wooden-headed son of a bitch. I wish Wilson was in hell, and if I had the power I would put him there."[4] In a later era, a conviction was sustained for displaying posters urging passersby to "hang [President] Roosevelt".[5] There has been some controversy among the federal appellate courts as to how the term "willfully" should be interpreted. Traditional legal interpretations of the term are reflected by Black's Law Dictionary's definition, which includes descriptions such as "malicious, done with evil intent, or with a bad motive or purpose," but most courts have adopted a more easily-proven standard. For instance, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit held that a threat was knowingly made if the maker comprehended the meaning of the words uttered by him. It was willingly made, if in addition to comprehending the meaning of his words, the maker voluntarily and intentionally uttered them as a declaration of apparent determination to carry them into execution.[6] According to the U.S. Attorney's Manual, "Of the individuals who come to the Secret Service's attention as creating a possible danger to one of their protectees, approximately 75 percent are mentally ill."[2]

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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/10/2012 7:55:07 AM   
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He is great is he not. I mean if it were not for his like who or what would there be to belittle and criticize Christians over?

Count your blessings that there are a few in a million like him to give people an excuse to openly profuse their bigotry and distain for those of faith.


I reread the thread and still can't find the Christian bashing.

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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/10/2012 8:03:20 AM   
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Just wait ...you will see it here as usual...Just as some tag all Muslims for the actions of a small radical minority of followers so will they tag all Christians for the actions of the Terry Jones's of this world. Yet... they cannot see their hypocrisy...so typical.

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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/10/2012 8:17:17 AM   
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Well, I and 10 other people on this thread did not tar all Christians with Terry Jones's brush so please do wait until that happens before getting all victimy about it.

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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/10/2012 8:26:58 AM   
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You assume i was talking about this thread in particular when my comment covers all threads in politics and religion...must i waste our time posting examples for you?...I think you understand my point and if not then lets just forget about it without malice.

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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/10/2012 8:30:32 AM   
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Then talk about it on those threads or start a new one, because as of yet it is Off Topic for this thread.

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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/10/2012 8:35:54 AM   
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Why does defending Christians and their beliefs offend you? Is my post such a distraction to you that you cannot resist spending multiple posts criticizing it? Just let it go and move on. If the Mods think it is off topic I’m sure they will tell me it is not your place.

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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/10/2012 8:58:37 AM   
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It's normally considered good form to wait for something to actually happen before you start whining about it like a schoolgirl who's had her face slapped. I know that you're keen to play victim at any opportunity, but you've jumped the gun a bit in this case.

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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/10/2012 9:09:15 AM   
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Why does defending Christians and their beliefs offend you?


What Christian beliefs were you defending? The topic is Terry Jones - you weren't defending his beliefs, but using them for prophylactic victimization. That's what offended me.

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He is great is he not. I mean if it were not for his like who or what would there be to belittle and criticize Christians over?

Count your blessings that there are a few in a million like him to give people an excuse to openly profuse their bigotry and distain for those of faith.

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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/10/2012 9:21:01 AM   
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Blacks are all gangsters.
Muslims are all radical.
All BDSM is wrong.
Whites are supreme.
All Chinese are smart.
All poor are dumb.
There is only one right religion.

.....and the list goes on and on.

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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/10/2012 11:35:47 AM   
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ohhhh that hurt Moon...thanks

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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/10/2012 11:49:54 AM   
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Would it offend anyone if I said I consider Terry Jones to be anything BUT a Christian?

A small minded, ignorant troll, yes............Christian, not on his best day.

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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/10/2012 12:07:05 PM   
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The sermon on the mount certainly seems to have passed him by, doesn't it?

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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/10/2012 12:39:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Would it offend anyone if I said I consider Terry Jones to be anything BUT a Christian?

A small minded, ignorant troll, yes............Christian, not on his best day.




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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/10/2012 12:57:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Would it offend anyone if I said I consider Terry Jones to be anything BUT a Christian?

A small minded, ignorant troll, yes............Christian, not on his best day.

good point. he's twisted, perverted, and bastardized and Christianity no less than people claiming to be Muslims, but who blow up innocents.

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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/10/2012 1:14:20 PM   
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Of course the Secret Service has to look into nuttery like this.
They have to look into anything perceived as a threat to
the president.
And of course this cretin who calls himself a Christian doing
something hideous like this doesn't mean all
Christians think like he does. But it would be very
nice if other Christians condemned his actions.
That more people who identify as Christians
don't condemn hatred like Jones is displaying
says a depressing great deal about people who
have let ideology corrupt their theology.
You can disagree with someone without hanging
them in effigy.

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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/10/2012 1:53:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

It's normally considered good form to wait for something to actually happen before you start whining about it like a schoolgirl who's had her face slapped. I know that you're keen to play victim at any opportunity, but you've jumped the gun a bit in this case.


Exactly!!!!

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What Christian beliefs were you defending? The topic is Terry Jones - you weren't defending his beliefs, but using them for prophylactic victimization. That's what offended me.

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He is great is he not. I mean if it were not for his like who or what would there be to belittle and criticize Christians over?


This, I said," Terry Jones" for a reason in the OP, not nutty rw Christians or talibangelicals, I used his name so NOT to tar all "Christians with the same brush.
Get a thicker skin and stop jumping at hints of shadows, Kd there are PLENTY of morons out there to help you be a victim, making up your own up is only making YOU look bad.


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Would it offend anyone if I said I consider Terry Jones to be anything BUT a Christian?

A small minded, ignorant troll, yes............Christian, not on his best day.

Excellent point

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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/11/2012 7:21:31 AM   
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if we all ignore them, they will go away


People said the same thing about a little outfit of drunken, pissed off, ex-soldiers that called themselves the National Socialist German Workers Party.

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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/11/2012 11:51:39 AM   
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If Jones had that outfit's pull, the press wouldn't be taking the piss out of him.

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RE: Terry Jones, is at it again.. - 6/11/2012 12:21:55 PM   
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If Jones had that outfit's pull, the press wouldn't be taking the piss out of him.


But that's the point, the Nazi Party started out as a small group of loud complainers not given much notice by anyone. I'm not saying Jones is the next Hitler but I am saying that we ignore such individuals at our peril.

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