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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/8/2012 7:08:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Master/slave is programming speak, too, or it was back in unixland. Just words, dood.

AH HA! so it's been pervasive for a long long time

hidden in plain site

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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/9/2012 4:47:46 AM   
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That's more to do with Bill Gates and the late Steve "big" Jobs' sinister desire for global domination than anything kinky.


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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/9/2012 5:22:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

bdsm has been mainstream for YEARS



BDSM has been filtering into the mainsteam since the advent of the internet.

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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/9/2012 5:32:40 AM   
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I'd have said that the AIDS scare during the late '80s was a big factor in normalising bdsm as well. For a while you couldn't watch late night telly without seeing an attention seeking D/S couple or two, could you?

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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/9/2012 5:59:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe on your side of the ocean. Brits and Europeans in general have a much more liberal view when it comes to sex.

Here in the States, it really does depend on geography, with the coasts tending to be more more liberal than the middle of the country, with some large cities a Gay/BDSM magnet, like New Orleans, San Fran, NYC, etc.

I lived in Chgo for 20 years, and withing a 20 miles radius you can find ultra hip neighborhoods that are very liberal, and wide expanses know as "the Great White North" that are very conservative.

Really I think here in the US you are *always* going to find those rabid right wing pockets of mindless conservatives.

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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/9/2012 7:32:49 AM   
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I do suspect that a lot of people who are providing pro Dommes with a living at the moment are the same sorts who'd have been swinging and wife swapping forty years ago, though.

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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/9/2012 8:57:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah it was definitely before the internet. I can remember as a kid and being in both the goth and punk scenes, it was prevalent then. It wasn't any kind of secret and it was everywhere....stores, music, dress, etc....


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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/9/2012 12:22:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

You missed one...it's the one I (lovingly) use to remember my ex wife. Sometimes it's a bit too long for some websites....but I give it my best:

fuckyouyoulivingbastionofhellIneverlovedyouIhopeyoudieinafieldofgasolineflamesoffireypitsofhell

(Occasionally it gets rejected because I have to use numeric fields).


Well doh just type fuckyouyoulivingbastionofhellIneverlovedyouIhopeyoudieinafieldofgasolineflamesoffireypitsofhell1 :D

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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/9/2012 1:22:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Yeah it was definitely before the internet. I can remember as a kid and being in both the goth and punk scenes, it was prevalent then. It wasn't any kind of secret and it was everywhere....stores, music, dress, etc....


Absolutely. The goth and punk things were always crammed with S&M and kink imagery, even if it was mostly posturing rather than people having any interest in that.

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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/9/2012 1:58:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Not at all.
That's more to do with Bill Gates and the late Steve "big" Jobs' sinister desire for global domination than anything kinky.


pssst...









i was kidding, toying with words.

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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/9/2012 2:05:27 PM   
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When I see somebody on here talking about how Ray Bradbury's an inspiration to kink, my sense of irony can shut down from the trauma, dig?

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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/9/2012 3:01:08 PM   
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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/9/2012 9:08:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think I've ever read anything by the man and kinda glad I haven't. I just see his books at yard sales and used bookstores by the tons and when I see that the first thing I think is that they are in the same category as Harlequin novels...quick novel trends that are discarded just as quickly as they're a fad.


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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/9/2012 9:41:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ray Bradbury's Awards and honors

- The Ray Bradbury Award, presented by the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America for screenwriting, was named in Bradbury's honor.
- For his contribution to the motion picture industry, Ray Bradbury was given a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame at 6644 Hollywood Blvd.
- In 1971, an impact crater on Earth's moon was named "Dandelion Crater" by the Apollo 15 astronauts, in honor of Bradbury's novel Dandelion Wine.
- Ray Bradbury Park was dedicated in Waukegan, Illinois in 1990. The author was present for the ribbon-cutting ceremony. The park contains locations described in Dandelion Wine, most notably the "113 steps" stairs. In 2009 an interpretive panel designed by artist Michael Pavelich was added to the park detailing the history of Ray Bradbury and Ray Bradbury Park.
- An asteroid discovered in 1992 was named "9766 Bradbury" in his honor.
- In 1994, Bradbury received the Peggy V. Helmerich Distinguished Author Award, presented annually by the Tulsa Library Trust.
- In 1994, he won an Emmy Award for the screenplay of The Halloween Tree.
- Medal for Distinguished Contribution to American Letters Award for 2000 from the National Book Foundation.[65]
- Honorary doctorate from Woodbury University in 2003. Bradbury presents the Ray Bradbury Creativity Award each year at Woodbury University. Winners include sculptor Robert Graham, actress Anjelica Huston, Cosmopolitan editor Helen Gurley Brown, director Irvin Kershner, humorist Stan Freberg, and architect Jon A. Jerde.
- On November 17, 2004, Bradbury was the recipient of the National Medal of Arts, presented by President George W. Bush and Laura Bush.
- Bradbury received the World Fantasy Award life achievement, Stoker Award life achievement, SFWA Grand Master, SF Hall of Fame Living Inductee, and First Fandom Award.
- He received the Prometheus Award for Fahrenheit 451.
- On April 14, 2007, Bradbury was honoured at that year's Sir Arthur Clarke Awards. He was the winner of the Special Award, given by Clarke to a recipient of his choice.
- On April 16, 2007, Bradbury received a special citation from The Pulitzer Board, "for his distinguished, prolific, and deeply influential career as an unmatched author of science fiction and fantasy."[66]
- In 2007, Bradbury received the French Commandeur Ordre des Arts et des Lettres medal.
- In 2008, he was named SFPA Grandmaster.[67]
- In 2009, Ray Bradbury received a Honorary Doctrine Degree at the 2009 Columbia College Commencement Ceremony in Chicago, Illinois, where he gave a speech about his life and how to live life to the graduating class of 2009
- In 2010, Spike TV Scream Awards Comic-Con Icon Award went to Ray Bradbury
- In 2010, on occasion of his 90th birthday, Bradbury received Pulsar Award from Sarajevo SF Club PulSar

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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/10/2012 4:19:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		You see a lot of Bradbury going second hand because he was a very popular writer in his day, and has had stuff in print since the '40s. More Stephen King than Harlequin press, I'd have said.

Try having a quick look at a short story...

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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/10/2012 6:11:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		eehh...I've never been all that much impressed with Stephen King either.


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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/10/2012 6:37:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just an example of an author you see a load of stuff by going second hand because he's a best seller. Bradbury's an awful lot better than King.

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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/10/2012 12:07:06 PM   
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I suppose it depends on what you think of as mainstream and for
that matter what you think of as bdsm.
It's been apart of popular culture to some
degree for the last thirty years in movies,
music, music videos and fashion.
91/2 Weeks was made into a movie with
established star actors, Madonna used bdsm
imagery to shock before Rhianna.
In the seventies you had controversial films
like The Night Porter and Helmut Newton doing
his thing. It wasn't mainstream but there
were people tuned into it and aware of it.
But not mainstream in the sense that it had infiltrated
the suburbs.
It or references to it were part of the punk and goth
scene but though a there have been a lot
of punks and goths over the years they aren't
really mainstream.
With the internet and cable you have more people
aware on a superficial level anyway. Women's
magazines have been recommending fluffy in the
bedroom kink for at least twenty years.
It's mainstream in the sense a great many people
get the references and and a good portion
might entertain some light aspects of it.
It could be as mainstream as swinging was
in the seventies I suppose or close to that.
The other night I was watching the National
Geographic channel and they did a promo for
a show on petplay. National Geographic led
the way with the mainstreaming of bare tits
back in the day. But I don't think more
people being aware of bdsm makes it mainstream.


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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/10/2012 12:11:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		As (I think) David J Schow said about something else during the turn of the '90s: if you can find it in a shopping mall, then it's mainstream. Even Superdrug has been known to sell fluffy handcuffs on occasion...

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RE: BDSM has silently become mainstream - 6/10/2012 12:15:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		i don't agree with everything you said, but i admire your analysis, thanks.

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