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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/1/2012 2:25:52 PM

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Along the lines of "my dog ate my homework"... people can apparently have THC in their system from second hand (pot) smoke.. That claim sorta worked for a certain Canadian 1998 Olympic Gold Medal winner..

"Initially, Ross Rebagliati became famous for being the first Olympic champion in snowboarding, winning the inaugural giant slalom event at the Nagano Olympics. Although he had taken third place in the previous season's Giant Slalom World Cup, it was Rebagliati's first major victory. But his gold medal was soon revoked, when traces of marijuana were found in his urine. Rebagliati, who claimed it had been from second-hand smoke, protested his disqualification. Because marijuana was not found to be performance enhancing, the protest was upheld, and the gold medal was returned. "

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/1/2012 2:41:36 PM

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But since the company is looking for you to be drug free, trying to beat or actually beating a drug test is fraud.

the standard employment contracts lawfully require you to be drug free while working. and they require you to submit to drug tests. period. they cannot control what drugs you choose to ingest while not working, as long as your ability to work is not impaired when you do start a shift.

i think it would only be fraud if they required to you explicitly agree to not take unlawful drugs even while not working. or, if they explicitly required you to agree to not ingest things that would interfere with the reliability of a drug test. i strongly doubt any such employment contracts exist, outside of professional sports. perhaps you or someone else is aware of that?

Employment contracts tend to only be given to upper management, and the majority of states are "right to work" states, so there isn't going to be an employment contract.

Regardless, companies tend to frown on employees engaging in illegal activities, which is why you must list all medications that you take when you submits so they know what should show up on the test.

Incidentally, if the test shows drugs in your system, you are NOT drug free while working.

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/1/2012 2:44:12 PM

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But since the company is looking for you to be drug free, trying to beat or actually beating a drug test is fraud.

With some companies, this is true. I wouldn't want anyone to work for me stoned or drunk, but, I would rather have someone who had smoked weed come in the morning after than someone who had gotten drunk.

As for this company, the folks I will be working for are well aware that I practice herbal therapy. They are also aware that I have had the same job since 1994, and that I am a helluva great asset, especially in the position I am going for.

We all have to dance the dance nowadays. I think that, as long as someone getting food stamps or welfare doesn't have to get a cheek swab every time they apply, that no one applying for a job should have to either.

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So they know that you practice "herbal therapy" while medical marijuana is illegal in your state. If they know and are ok with it, then why would they ask you to take the test to begin with?

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/1/2012 3:23:53 PM

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If they know and are ok with it, then why would they ask you to take the test to begin with?

Because the huge corporation they work for tests everyone pre-employment.

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/1/2012 4:04:43 PM

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But since the company is looking for you to be drug free, trying to beat or actually beating a drug test is fraud.

the standard employment contracts lawfully require you to be drug free while working. and they require you to submit to drug tests. period. they cannot control what drugs you choose to ingest while not working, as long as your ability to work is not impaired when you do start a shift.

i think it would only be fraud if they required to you explicitly agree to not take unlawful drugs even while not working. or, if they explicitly required you to agree to not ingest things that would interfere with the reliability of a drug test. i strongly doubt any such employment contracts exist, outside of professional sports. perhaps you or someone else is aware of that?

Employment contracts tend to only be given to upper management, and the majority of states are "right to work" states, so there isn't going to be an employment contract.

Regardless, companies tend to frown on employees engaging in illegal activities, which is why you must list all medications that you take when you submits so they know what should show up on the test.

i don't think i'm in upper management, and i have always signed employment contracts, whether it was regular full time, or a contract position. perhaps you don't if you work for mom and pop establishments.

whether the state is "right to work" or not is immaterial, although it's worth noting that employment contracts are required to state that.

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Incidentally, if the test shows drugs in your system, you are NOT drug free while working.

That's not correct. Traces of THC can stay in your fatty tissues months after the last vestiges of the actual drug have left your system. You are indeed "drug free" at that point, but still test positive.

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/1/2012 5:30:50 PM

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While I realize your need to always be right and to attempt to argue every point to death, the fact is technically, if you test positive for the drug it is in your system. You may not feel the effects anymore, but the drug is in your system.

Regardless of that, employers do tend to frown on employees engaging in illegal activities, even if done in their free time away from work.

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/1/2012 5:45:13 PM

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So what you really meant was you want to beat a drug test.

Not going to happen. You can try every dumbass claim you find on the intarwebz and you're still going to test exactly the same as if you were tested right now.

Are you referring to all drug tests or just the saliva ones? A friend of mine who has been clean for 12 years after being a heroin addict for 28 said he never flunked a urine test for which he had notice. That includes for pot, which he still smokes. I don't smoke, but support legalization. Alcohol is a lot more dangerous, IMO.

Sorry OP, got nothing for saliva tests.

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/1/2012 5:48:30 PM

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THC gets out of the bodily fluids in a few weeks. The threshold won't find it if you have abstained for a month.
That is why a lot of places have gone to a hair test that will pick up usage 3-6 months previously.

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/1/2012 5:53:05 PM

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technically, if you test positive for the drug it is in your system. You may not feel the effects anymore, but the drug is in your system.

Like mercury long after you've eaten the fish?

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/1/2012 6:33:21 PM

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I have nothing against the occasion pot use. Yes, I realize it is illegal in some states, and think that's absolutely ridiculous.

You know, this country tried prohibition from alcohol back in the 20s with horrendous results. I am amazed that we are still doing it for pot. I am with the old time anti-prohibitionists: You should not make a law the majority of the people don't want enforced.

And no, I don't smoke pot. I haven't had a hit in a good ten years. It's been over 20 since I smoked pot what anyone would call a regular basis. That's not my issue, my issue IS someone's right to do so, which in my mind is being infringed by fanatics.

JMO, YMMV, Carry on.

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/1/2012 6:45:01 PM

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But since the company is looking for you to be drug free, trying to beat or actually beating a drug test is fraud.

With some companies, this is true. I wouldn't want anyone to work for me stoned or drunk, but, I would rather have someone who had smoked weed come in the morning after than someone who had gotten drunk.

As for this company, the folks I will be working for are well aware that I practice herbal therapy. They are also aware that I have had the same job since 1994, and that I am a helluva great asset, especially in the position I am going for.

We all have to dance the dance nowadays. I think that, as long as someone getting food stamps or welfare doesn't have to get a cheek swab every time they apply, that no one applying for a job should have to either.

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This is more of a FR:

The saliva test is now more frequently used in post accident employment scenarios than the urine test.
Why?
Because as with a blood test it will detect some drugs when they were likely to have been used that day since the saliva and blood tests typically don't show past drug history.
They show immediate use.

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/2/2012 1:20:35 AM

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Very interesting angelika.

As for whether or not it should be legalized, I'm ambivilent and see both sides of the issue. However, at this point in time, it is illegal in most places, and certainly for recreational use. So someone who lives where it isn't even legal in medicinal form but chooses to imbibe anyway, needs to face the reality that it can cost them their job. Regardless of believing it should be legal, risking or losing your job because you choose to ignore the law doesn't help your cause.

As to the OP, if she was so sure that her potential employers were ok with it, and the test was simply a formality insisted on by corporate headquarters, she wouldn't be looking to detox.

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/2/2012 5:02:29 AM

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Very interesting angelika.

As for whether or not it should be legalized, I'm ambivilent and see both sides of the issue. However, at this point in time, it is illegal in most places, and certainly for recreational use. So someone who lives where it isn't even legal in medicinal form but chooses to imbibe anyway, needs to face the reality that it can cost them their job. Regardless of believing it should be legal, risking or losing your job because you choose to ignore the law doesn't help your cause.

As to the OP, if she was so sure that her potential employers were ok with it, and the test was simply a formality insisted on by corporate headquarters, she wouldn't be looking to detox.

Seriously, you think the bolded makes sense?

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/2/2012 9:25:06 AM

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Seriously, yes. You say your potential employers are aware you use "herbal therapy." If that is the case, then they wouldn't care if the drug test came back positive for marijuana and you wouldn't worry about detoxing so it came back clean.

Is there some reason that makes no sense to you?

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/2/2012 9:39:29 AM

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While I realize your need to always be right and to attempt to argue every point to death, the fact is technically, if you test positive for the drug it is in your system. You may not feel the effects anymore, but the drug is in your system.

Regardless of that, employers do tend to frown on employees engaging in illegal activities, even if done in their free time away from work.

In my opinion 'in your system' and 'effecting your system' are very different things. THC can stay for months in a persons body but that certainly doesn't mean they are stoned for months. Unfortunately THC lingers long past its active use.

Detox teas can work for urine tests, however its important to not dilute your urine too much. I've had several friends pass using a detox tea, also some who tested as 'too light' meaning it was obviously urine from someone who drank massive quantities of it. I always recommend doing the tea 72 hours ahead of time instead of the day or night before.

And personally I don't give a flying fig if someone smokes weed during their off hours.

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/2/2012 10:01:48 AM

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Seriously, yes. You say your potential employers are aware you use "herbal therapy." If that is the case, then they wouldn't care if the drug test came back positive for marijuana and you wouldn't worry about detoxing so it came back clean.

Is there some reason that makes no sense to you?

Yes there is a reason it makes no sense to me, but that is ok. I can't explain it to you, if you don't already see it.

Different eyes seeing the same thing I reckon.

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/2/2012 12:01:40 PM

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Of course the effects have worn off, but that is not what employers are looking for and that seems to be the issue here. While you may not care what people do in their off hours, many employers do.

Sorry, but whether you care what people do or don't do is irrelevant in this situation and indeed, any situation involving an employer wanting a drug test where you are not the employer. The bottom line still amounts to whether or not the drug is legal in the state you are in. If it isn't, then you are breaking the law, regardless of whether or not you think it should be legal. Obviously, for some, smoking marijuana is more important than getting or keeping a job, not to mention the whole effort to detox so you can pass the test is dishonest. Or is honesty something employers shouldn't be interested in either?

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/2/2012 12:43:04 PM

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If we are going into the argument of illegal activities which occurs after work hours then we must include most impact play.
One can not consent to assault/battery.

I will give you an example of something far more dangerous and completely legal:
Studies have proven that sleep deprivation is every bit as dangerous in terms of impairment if not more so than doing things "under the influence".

How many hours has that medical resident been on duty?

How about the nurse in the ICU?
Is this the only job she has or is she is a single parent with kids to raise?

I worked in a residential group home.
If I worked the 4p-12a shift and my replacement called out, guess who worked the awake (calling in every 1/2 hour) overnight (whether or not I had been up since 7am that day)?
That shift actually has one person driving people to their day programs and shift is not over until 10am.
If I worked 16 or 18 hours (and it was legally mandated) they still expected me to be bright eyed and bushy tailed and ready to report back in to work at 4 p. that day for my next shift.

Rail all you want about trace amounts of THC from a few days ago but there are much more dangerous impairments.
And some of us engage in technically illegal activities all the time that have nothing to do with drug use and don't prevent us from doing our jobs.

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/2/2012 1:10:35 PM

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Of course the effects have worn off, but that is not what employers are looking for and that seems to be the issue here. While you may not care what people do in their off hours, many employers do.

Sorry, but whether you care what people do or don't do is irrelevant in this situation and indeed, any situation involving an employer wanting a drug test where you are not the employer. The bottom line still amounts to whether or not the drug is legal in the state you are in. If it isn't, then you are breaking the law, regardless of whether or not you think it should be legal. Obviously, for some, smoking marijuana is more important than getting or keeping a job, not to mention the whole effort to detox so you can pass the test is dishonest. Or is honesty something employers shouldn't be interested in either?

I have had the same job since 1995. This is for a part time job. If I am misunderstanding you, please forgive me, but you seem to have some holier than thou attitude about this, as if I am some reefer madness broad who is sitting around, smoking pot and allowing others to take care of me.

The job I have now tests new employees. The part time one I would like to get does that now also. I have been friends with folks that work for them for 30 years or more, and they were hired before the testing began at that job.

Anal sex and giving head are illegal many places, as are many other things that most of us here like to do.

I am not being dishonest or trying to screw an employer into hiring a drug addict. I am wanting to be an asset to their company, and I happen to know for a fact that whether or not I smoke a lil weed on weekends does not, in any way, affect my ability to be that asset.

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RE: Detoxifying the body, or at least the saliva - 6/2/2012 1:23:09 PM

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Yes, there are many activities that may be illegal to engage in during non-working hours. However, there are some protections against employers asking about your sex life, aren't there?

I completely agree with your assessment of the medical community, and it is a well known fact that errors occur due to sleep deprivation.

I'm not "railing" against trace forms of THC, simply stating a fact. The state where the OP lives does not have a medicinal marijuana law that legalizes her activity, regardless of her calling it "herbal therapy."

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