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Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/24/2012 12:21:52 PM   
kalikshama


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Status: offline 		A handful of House Democrats, encouraged by the recent bipartisan agreement that stay-at-home moms should be considered just as hard working as anyone in the workforce, will introduce legislation to apply that standard to mothers on welfare as well.

Under current law, raising children does not count toward the required "work activity" that must be performed by recipients of Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, the federal program that emerged from the 1996 welfare reform. Some states make an exception for mothers with children less than a year old.

The Women's Option to Raise Kids (WORK) Act, a copy of which was provided to HuffPost in advance of its introduction, would allow mothers with children ages 3 and under to stay at home with their children and continue receiving benefits.

The act was inspired by the recent kerfuffle, in which the political establishment, from President Barack Obama to Mitt Romney, took great umbrage at the suggestion by Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen that Ann Romney had not "worked a day in her life."

"All moms are working moms," Mitt Romney responded.

If that's the case, then it's unfair to apply a different standard to low-income women, reasoned Rep. Pete Stark of California, a top Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee.

"Mitt Romney was for forcing mothers into the workforce before he decided that 'all moms are working moms,'" Stark told The Huffington Post. "I think we should take Mr. Romney at his most recent word and change our federal laws to recognize the importance and legitimacy of raising young children. That's why I'm introducing the WORK Act to provide low-income parents the option of staying home to raise young children without fear of being pushed into poverty."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/18/work-act-low-income-moms-ann-romney_n_1434384.html?1334764071

Send an email to your member of Congress, telling him or her to support the WORK act, so every mother in America can make the same choice Ann Romney did: http://campaigns.dailykos.com/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=119
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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/24/2012 12:33:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		lol homnestly the best thing in the world for some of those kids would be easrlier daycare. My sister is a speech pathologist and so many of the children of really poor start out doomed because th eparents dont know to talk to them then she gets them and they are 3 yr old vocab leveols at 8. As a country if we spent money on aprenting skils for parents often raidsed by skilless parents it would be a world of benefot for the kids. I believe everyne wants to be a good parant and the only reason someone doesnt do something like engage a child to build vocabulary is ignorance.

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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/24/2012 12:42:55 PM   
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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/24/2012 12:56:20 PM   
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My sister is a speech pathologist and so many of the children of really poor start out doomed because th eparents dont know to talk to them then she gets them and they are 3 yr old vocab leveols at 8.


Early childhood intervention programs probably needs a lot more publicity.

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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/24/2012 1:24:44 PM   
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Will they be requiring them to join a union in order to do it?

I love that. I was a union man 25 yrs I am aboutto enjoy my union early retirement benefot and have enjoyed earning more and working in a safer enviroment the last 25 yrs. I also work for a highly profitable company. All you need to know about unions is found when you compare states per capita earning s and union membership. There ids a reason the south although it thinks itself as a bastion of self reliance is subsidized with tax dollars from n the north atklantic region, west coast and new englen. take CT where I libbve we get something like 7 cents in govt spending for every dllar in taxes. Other than I believe texas and fla every southern state gets over adollar back for dollartaxes. If they stopped hating on unions long enough to realize they earn 15 percent less and have crappier benefits than union employees they'd oganize and be self sufficent rather than railing liberal states as welfare states sucking on the govt tit while needing their tax dollars to emain economically viable. When profits are at record levels and the share of prift going to labor is at 40 yr lows unionism as the enemy of the working class is a false boogie man. My union shop had a roi of 12 percent. i am sure if it was non union it might of been 14 because laborwouldnt of gotten ot's traditional share of profits as is happening overall nationwide. Advocating low pay for workers is the gist of ant unionism. it shows in the pay in the south. I'd get 22 an hr for what pays 38 here with better benefits. In CA the problem isnt spending its the 80 cents of federal taxes you get back on dollare paid. If you had the other 20 percetn and Alaska,. Mi. AL, GA, SC etc had it taken away you'd have issues with the oakies coming form the entire south because the conservative heart of amerca is not slef reliant it is relaint on the economic succuss of libera states

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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/24/2012 2:21:37 PM   
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lol homnestly the best thing in the world for some of those kids would be easrlier daycare. My sister is a speech pathologist and so many of the children of really poor start out doomed because th eparents dont know to talk to them then she gets them and they are 3 yr old vocab leveols at 8. As a country if we spent money on aprenting skils for parents often raidsed by skilless parents it would be a world of benefot for the kids. I believe everyne wants to be a good parant and the only reason someone doesnt do something like engage a child to build vocabulary is ignorance.


Unfortunately our government keeps trying to remove funding for daycare/preschools.

And please, use spell check on your posts prior to posting them. They are so badly written it is difficult to understand what the hell you are trying to say.

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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/24/2012 3:04:23 PM   
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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/24/2012 3:41:45 PM   
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Ya, you promised you'd proof in Word first :)



Pretty much. What I was able to get from that wall of gobbledy-gook was that he apparently had a knee-jerk response in defense of trade unions.





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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/24/2012 6:31:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can't wait to see how the Republicans respond to this legislation...they've really managed to back themselves into a corner this time. Oh wait, I forgot how well versed in hypocrisy the Republicans are. I'm sure they will have no trouble voting this one down under the theory of "I know what we said, but that doesn't count."

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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/24/2012 6:32:27 PM   
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A handful of House Democrats, encouraged by the recent bipartisan agreement that stay-at-home moms should be considered just as hard working as anyone in the workforce, will introduce legislation to apply that standard to mothers on welfare as well.

Under current law, raising children does not count toward the required "work activity" that must be performed by recipients of Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, the federal program that emerged from the 1996 welfare reform. Some states make an exception for mothers with children less than a year old.

The Women's Option to Raise Kids (WORK) Act, a copy of which was provided to HuffPost in advance of its introduction, would allow mothers with children ages 3 and under to stay at home with their children and continue receiving benefits.

The act was inspired by the recent kerfuffle, in which the political establishment, from President Barack Obama to Mitt Romney, took great umbrage at the suggestion by Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen that Ann Romney had not "worked a day in her life."

"All moms are working moms," Mitt Romney responded.

If that's the case, then it's unfair to apply a different standard to low-income women, reasoned Rep. Pete Stark of California, a top Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee.

"Mitt Romney was for forcing mothers into the workforce before he decided that 'all moms are working moms,'" Stark told The Huffington Post. "I think we should take Mr. Romney at his most recent word and change our federal laws to recognize the importance and legitimacy of raising young children. That's why I'm introducing the WORK Act to provide low-income parents the option of staying home to raise young children without fear of being pushed into poverty."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/18/work-act-low-income-moms-ann-romney_n_1434384.html?1334764071

Send an email to your member of Congress, telling him or her to support the WORK act, so every mother in America can make the same choice Ann Romney did: http://campaigns.dailykos.com/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=119


Hon (and I know I'll be blasted for this)....every man who's been married understands the economic implications of being divorced....with children.

I know (and most men know) a lot of guys who pay 80% of their wages out to women (and their children) while the woman's income is never considered....and he lives in his Mom's basement.

That isn't to say (and I concur) that a lot of guys (maybe even the majority) skip....but trust me.....

There's a lot of guys who have been rolled by the courts.

Fortunately, I wasn't one of them....my ex got nothing because she was a total rip off and the courts saw it (I also had a killer....and I do mean killer lawyer).....but there are as many guys out there who have been reamed up the ying yang with no grease as there are women who have been fucked over by loser men.

It ain't always what the papers say.

(But women get the press. Who's gonna say anything bad about a "poor Mom, holding her family together" as against a guy "who's loaded....surely he deserves to pay".....and I'll ask the logical question: Why? Because he's a guy? Sorry...that doesn't fly with logic....it does however, fly with most courts).

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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/24/2012 8:22:40 PM   
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Surely you don't mean dads like that?

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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/24/2012 8:35:46 PM   
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Will they be requiring them to join a union in order to do it?

At the very least,the freedom to join one without state intimidation, would be nice.......ya know......"freedom?"

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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/24/2012 8:43:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Will they be requiring them to join a union in order to do it?

At the very least,the freedom to join one without state intimidation, would be nice.......ya know......"freedom?"



Let's be clear, before I start laughing really hard, Owner59. Are you advocating that recipients of welfare should unionize?




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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/24/2012 9:00:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was being facetious.......to make a dig at government infringing on our citizen`s rights to organize.....what`s been in the news recently.

You know.....what real heavy-handed over-reaching big government social engineering and Orwellian-like control of private citizens looks like.

Of course I was kidding.....but that wasn`t any more rediculous then the cons who proposed that woman on welfare MUST get a job.



Thank`s for the lead-in and set-up.......you`re always such a helpful chap.


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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/24/2012 9:54:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Being a housewife or a stay at home mom is work. While I think it would be nice for mothers to stay home with their children the first 3 years, I'm not sure it's a good idea. The problem is, it doesn't bring home a paycheck. With divorce rates as high as they are, being a stay at home spouse or significant other is taking a huge risk. IMO even full time college students should have jobs in order to avoid gaps in employment history. In this economy, one can never be too careful.

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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/24/2012 10:04:50 PM   
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Being a housewife or a stay at home mom is work. While I think it would be nice for mothers to stay home with their children the first 3 years, I'm not sure it's a good idea. The problem is, it doesn't bring home a paycheck. With divorce rates as high as they are, being a stay at home spouse or significant other is taking a huge risk. IMO even full time college students should have jobs in order to avoid gaps in employment history. In this economy, one can never be too careful.


Good idea. Reduce the divorce rate to near zero by not allowing no-fault divorces so everyone works at keeping the family together. Dad works, Mom at home nurturing the family and home, maybe only one car and car insurance payment instead of two, no child care payments, stable home lives. I think you've hit on something here.

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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/25/2012 8:54:57 AM   
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Most of today's women have evolved beyond gingham frocks, girdles,"Stepford wife" lifestyles and a lifetime of domestic enslavement. So have many men. While the option is there for those who might want to choose it, it's worth remembering that the post-1960s third wave feminism and the sexual revolution were both direct reactions against the stultifying confines of a way of life that most people think became redundant half a century ago.

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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/25/2012 12:27:37 PM   
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Being a housewife



I will grant you that being a mother is work. But being a housewife/husband, unless they live in a very VERY large house, entertain a great deal, and the house person ( male or female ) is helping with the working person's business, therefor not just being a house person..........is so NOT hard work.

I've said this before and will continue saying it. I live in a house with one other adult that also works more than full time. In our spare time, which there is not a lot of, the two of us together manage to keep the house, garage, barn, 3 acres of yard, orchard, and pasture.........pretty damned tip top.

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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/25/2012 1:22:42 PM   
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I was being facetious.......to make a dig at government infringing on our citizen`s rights to organize.....what`s been in the news recently.

You know.....what real heavy-handed over-reaching big government social engineering and Orwellian-like control of private citizens looks like.

Of course I was kidding.....but that wasn`t any more rediculous then the cons who proposed that woman on welfare MUST get a job.



Thank`s for the lead-in and set-up.......you`re always such a helpful chap.


Could you point it out I missed the over reaching social engineering and the Orwelian control. What programs do you refer to?

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RE: Since being a stay at home mom is work after all... - 4/25/2012 4:09:58 PM   
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I'm a tad surprised you seem to regard this as an original idea. It has been tried before - throughout the 1950s and into the 1960s - and was found sadly wanting before being discarded by more emancipated generations.

Most of today's women have evolved beyond gingham frocks, girdles,"Stepford wife" lifestyles and a lifetime of domestic enslavement. So have many men. While the option is there for those who might want to choose it, it's worth remembering that the post-1960s third wave feminism and the sexual revolution were both direct reactions against the stultifying confines of a way of life that most people think became redundant half a century ago.


I'm amused you chose to frame my post in terms of presenting an original idea of my own. Of course it is neither my original idea nor is it a stepford wife lifestyle as you suggest.

It, "my non-original proposal", is of course, the way it was in the fifties and sixties, before women were forced to work outside the house to maintain a lifestyle that required two cars in a two car garage with a larger and larger house to pay for and to work for while her children live in Child Care facilities (raised) by who knows who at ever more expensive fees. I'm furthur amused that you find this slavery, of women who work to maintain a lifestyle, is "emancipation".

My mother lived like this (non-original proposal) and she loved it. You saying my mother was wrong or that somehow women who do not work are stepford wives?



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