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I don't ask my Labrador for its political opinions, why do people ask Allen West?

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What is the logic and magic of localism and corporatism?

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The government is funded by taxpayers but serves recipients that have no say in whether the products/services provided meet their needs or not.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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I don't ask my Labrador for its political opinions, why do people ask Allen West?

Get used to seeing this, Patrick, and be prepared to have your words tossed in the face of any lib on this board who wants to cry about racism, and hasn't called you out for it.

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What is the logic and magic of localism and corporatism?

1. The US is big. Huge. The needs of people in South Dakota are not necessarily served by policies made by people in DC. The closer policymakers are to their subjects - geographically and otherwise - the better.
2. The beauty of the corporate world is that the one who is serviced by a product/service is the one who funds it. If Home Depot does some bonehead move that results in loss of customers, their revenues suffer and they will change. The government is funded by taxpayers but serves recipients that have no say in whether the products/services provided meet their needs or not.

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It's all about so-called "states' rights", a question which I thought had been settled with the Civil War.

Prior to the CW, people thought in terms of "the United States"; after the war, there was a wave of nationalism and people began referring to "The United States".

Oddly, for all their talk of patriotism and whatnot, the right would like to go back to the lower case, "the United States", bring all power over the people to the state and local levels.

In essence, they want us to become a collection of mini-nations, with the federal level being responsible for nothing more than the security of the whole.

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I will confess to wondering something about the thinking of many conservatives and I will try to treat some of their claims as serious despite the difficulty. Assuming when they accuse the President of actions bordering on tyrannical and spew invective at the Federal government, they are not merely being racist, but actually believe their rights threatened, why are they generally so oblivious to insults to their liberty from non-Federal sources. There seems no equal opposition to state level government (although those governments are often less competent and much more likely to interfere with your liberties), municipal or county government or the largest danger to liberty, corporate domination. A person's freedom, ability to earn a living, ability to get credit, join a union, to speak his mind, and indeed to live is far more likely to be infringed by local governments or corporations. If you are in prison unjustly is it more oppressive in the federal government put you there as opposed to a state government. What is the logic and magic of localism and corporatism?

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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I will confess to wondering something about the thinking of many conservatives and I will try to treat some of their claims as serious despite the difficulty. Assuming when they accuse the President of actions bordering on tyrannical and spew invective at the Federal government, they are not merely being racist, but actually believe their rights threatened, why are they generally so oblivious to insults to their liberty from non-Federal sources.

both partys infringe on your rights every day and it has nothing to do with what party is in power per se.

There seems no equal opposition to state level government (although those governments are often less competent and much more likely to interfere with your liberties), municipal or county government or the largest danger to liberty, corporate domination.

There is a certain amount of truth to that, it really boils down different ways to the same end.

A person's freedom, ability to earn a living, ability to get credit, join a union, to speak his mind, and indeed to live is far more likely to be infringed by local governments or corporations.

No, like I said they go to the same end, different means. part of the problem is that you (and the rest of the world) commingles personal and public rights not knowing where the lines are.

The courts have ruled in many cases that it is NOT their responsibility to teach you what YOUR rights are, and if you do not know what YOUR rights are you have NONE.

Most people do not knwo the difference between a right and a privilege.


If you are in prison unjustly is it more oppressive in the federal government put you there as opposed to a state government. What is the logic and magic of localism and corporatism?

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"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session" ~Mark Twain

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See, Patrick, that phrase says that we are being racist, but not just racist, blah blah blah.

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I will confess to wondering something about the thinking of many conservatives and I will try to treat some of their claims as serious despite the difficulty. Assuming when they accuse the President of actions bordering on tyrannical and spew invective at the Federal government, they are not merely being racist, but actually believe their rights threatened, why are they generally so oblivious to insults to their liberty from non-Federal sources. There seems no equal opposition to state level government (although those governments are often less competent and much more likely to interfere with your liberties), municipal or county government or the largest danger to liberty, corporate domination. A person's freedom, ability to earn a living, ability to get credit, join a union, to speak his mind, and indeed to live is far more likely to be infringed by local governments or corporations. If you are in prison unjustly is it more oppressive in the federal government put you there as opposed to a state government. What is the logic and magic of localism and corporatism?

See, Patrick, that phrase says that we are being racist, but not just racist, blah blah blah. And, I contend that the President's race has nothing to do with it. For instance, while I am white, when I woke up to Bush's Big Government-ism, and started to read and research, I was horrified at much of what I was reading. I disagreed then, and even more now, with the Patriot Act, among other things. Does that, too, mean that I am anti-white?

[Tongue in Cheek]I'm not racist. I disagree with Obama's white half, too.[/Tongue in Cheek]

According to the US Constitution, there are enumerated powers given to the Federal Government. All the rest of the powers remain with the State, or the people. The closer you get to where you live, the more accountability there tends to be. Thus, a City government tends to be less likely than a County Government to get away with "shenanigans." County tends to be more accountable than State, which tends, in turn, to be more accountable than Federal Government.

Encroachment by the Federal Government, too, is worse as you have other "elected officials" doing things you may not agree with, but over which you have absolutely no power. If you don't live in Ohio, do you not find it frustrating when John Boehner leads Congress down roads you don't want it to go? Or, if Rob Portman writes/sponsors bill after bill that are against your beliefs? If you're not in Ohio, you can't directly make any elective choice to their representations. If you already have Democratic Representatives, you are even more helpless as you can't change the composition of Congress to get D's back in power.

The blessings of Corporatism? 1. Innovation. 2. Innovation. 3. Innovation. 4. Etc.

Do I support Corporatism. Fuck no. While companies buying off politicians to get their way make more money and tend to invest it more into innovative endeavors, we are still getting fucked over on both sides. Pol's take our money and give it to Corporations as incentives to innovate/expand. And yet, we are still paying more and more for the products, as Corporations and their "elected" lackey's continually pad the laws in their favor.

Corporatism is what the lib's are calling "Capitalism" when they rail against Capitalism.

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The blessings of Corporatism? 1. Innovation. 2. Innovation. 3. Innovation. 4. Etc.

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The blessings of Corporatism? 1. Innovation. 2. Innovation. 3. Innovation. 4. Etc.

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'Private enterprise doesn't have a monopoly on innovation at all.

In the USA, look at all the innovation that is sourced in the NASA program for example. In most countries, a great deal of cutting edge research and innovation are carried out in State funded universities. The same applies in the area of health, where national health schemes are operative.

The idea that innovation is a private or corporate monopoly is a self serving myth, usually promoted by the very same interests that the myth serves.

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Innovations come from academic research as well.

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I don't ask my Labrador for its political opinions, why do people ask Allen West?

Get used to seeing this, Patrick, and be prepared to have your words tossed in the face of any lib on this board who wants to cry about racism, and hasn't called you out for it.