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xssve -> RE: On tyranny. (4/14/2012 3:57:44 PM)
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The blessings of Corporatism? 1. Innovation. 2. Innovation. 3. Innovation. 4. Etc. ' 'Private enterprise doesn't have a monopoly on innovation at all. In the USA, look at all the innovation that is sourced in the NASA program for example. In most countries, a great deal of cutting edge research and innovation are carried out in State funded universities. The same applies in the area of health, where national health schemes are operative. The idea that innovation is a private or corporate monopoly is a self serving myth, usually promoted by the very same interests that the myth serves. quote:
The blessings of Corporatism? 1. Innovation. 2. Innovation. 3. Innovation. 4. Etc. In praxis, the government funds basic research, usually at universities, that research, publicly funded, is published, at public expense, and you can write to Pueblo for a list of these publications which you can then purchase at nominal expense. Corporations do this, take that basic research and do applied research which they then use to develop products. So, when corporate apologists and PR flacks talk about corporate research, they're usually talking about applied research based on basic research done at public expense: basic research is expensive, and it doesn't create products, that's applied research. There is no return on basic research in the monetary sense, all you get is data, it has to be turned into a product and marketed before it can generate a financial return. i.e, nobody made a Dime off the W3C's basic research into data sharing protocols, TCPIP, HTML, etc., or Gore's 600m public investment in net research and browsers, until it was used to generate product, bandwidth providers, servers, etc., to carry those websites, and a market for websites, and that generated a lot of profits for computer and peripheral manufacturers, modems, routers, network building, equipment for internet expansion itself, servers, switches, routers, cable, etc., and even a few websites became profitable. The moral is, none of those people had to come up with cross platform data sharing protocols, nobody has to pay liscencing fees to use the protocols that make networking possible - that was done at public expense (much of it paid for by the EU) and available freely to the public, including business's (every chain in the country from Wal-Mart to Burger Doodle co-ordinates it activities over and internet network - Wal-Mart is almost completely automated and run from Bentonville, they even control the environmental systems, heating and air conditioning, lights, etc., and much of capital and finance markets is network intensive, derivatives are basically huge AI programs running over the net, buying, selling and trading automatically, none of which "innovation" would exist without a foundation of basic research done in large part at public universities, because there is no firm in the world that could have funded that research without going bankrupt before it was even off the ground. About 90% of pharmaceutical research is public research, as another example, done at public expense, 10% is applied research to turn that into drugs, but the meme on the right is that the public has no say in how those drugs are priced, since the pharmaceutical companies paid for development. Again, up to 90% of the development costs are underwritten by the public, pharmaceuticals are given a certain period to recoup their portion of the research and development costs, and make a profit before their license expires and generics can be produced. Vast amounts of research that altered technological markets in the late 20th century was based on research captured from the Germans after WWII, quite a bit of basic research in materials, particularly plastics and polymers, as well as Rocketry, came directly from research funded by the German government. Public investment is a hall mark of civilization, in some ways, it even defines it, from the time the first Ziggurat was built to the Waxahachie SSC.
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