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Iamsemisweet -> Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/10/2012 3:14:36 PM)

Sounds like they had a moron for a client:

George Zimmerman's attorneys said in a press conference this afternoon that they will no longer be representing him. The attorneys claim that Zimmerman repeatedly rebuffed their legal advice, and that they have now lost contact with him.
"As of now we are withdrawing as counsel for Mr. Zimmerman," Craig Sonner, one of his attorneys, told reporters outside the Seminole County Courthhouse in Sanford, Fla. "We've lost contact with him. Up to this point, we've had contact with him everyday. He's gone on his own. I'm not sure what he's doing or who he's talking to, but at this point we're with withdrawing as counsel. If he wants us to come back as counsel, he will contact us."
Zimmerman admitted to shooting and killing Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old, on Feb. 26 in the gated community where the teenager's father lived in Sanford. Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch member, called 911 and told a police dispatcher that Martin, who was walking back to his father's home from a nearby convenience store, "looked suspicious." After an altercation, Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest. He told the local police that he shot Martin in self defense, and he was not arrested or charged.

Protestors around the country have held rallies calling for Zimmerman's arrest, and the Sanford police department has come in for withering criticism for its handling of the initial investigation. The case has become a flashpoint in the national debates over racial profiling and gun control laws.

Sonner said that he still believed that Zimmerman was acting in self-defense, which Zimmerman and his surrogates have maintained since the shooting. "Nothing that I've said about him or this case has changed in any way," Sonner said. Uhrig said that Zimmerman had stopped responding to their phone calls, and that they did not know exactly where he was, although they thought that he was no longer in Florida.

Uhrig said that last Thursday, he and Sonner helped George Zimmerman's father, Robert Zimmerman, set up a Web site to solicit donations for George's legal defense. They said that they had not been able to reach Zimmerman on Sunday, the day before the site was to go live, although the site's address was already made available to news outlets. "On Sunday we lost track of George in that he wouldn't return our phone calls, and we couldn't get hold of him," Uhrig said. "We had no reason at that time to believe that it was anything suspect. But on Monday we began fielding questions...did we know anything about...georgezimmerman.com Web site? And our initial response was, well that's probably bogus, we don't know anything about that. And we started making inquiries and frankly confirmed that he through friends or family had in fact set that site up and it was legitimate. We immediately began telling the media, disregard the earlier web site we gave you that we had set up. Go for the one we now know that he set up."
"We were happy enough with that, but disturbed that he had not communicated with us," Uhrig said.

"We learned that he had called Sean Hannity of Fox News directly — not through us," Uhrig said. "We believe that he spoke directly with Sean off the record and [Hannity's] not even willing to tell us what our client told him."
Uhrig said the "final straw" was an attempt to set up a meeting with Zimmerman and the office of the special prosecutor on the case, Angela Corey. But Uhrig said that Zimmerman had contacted the special prosecutor directly, as well. "We were a bit astonished and had some conversation back and forth with the prosecutor's office," Uhrig said."They told us what we expected, '[that they] were not going to talk to a criminal or [defendant] without counsel.'"

As the press conference went on, Uhrig engaged in several testy exchanges with reporters — alternately criticizing the news media's coverage of the case, lambasting the involvement of civil rights groups and activists in the case, and defending the state's "Stand Your Ground" law.

"The gun law is a good law because it gives honest citizens the right to carry a weapon," Uhrig said.




DomKen -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/10/2012 3:17:43 PM)

The most revealing statement in the press conference was the lawyers stating that they did not believe Zimmerman was in the state of Florida. Since he is the subject of a homicide investigation he should not have left the jurisdiction much less the entire state. I wonder why a fugitive warrant hasn't been issued?




mnottertail -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/10/2012 3:25:37 PM)

Yeah, that aint at all good.  
well, let this lesson be learned again by us all.

NEVER EVER LIE to your chancremechanic.
and only occasionally and for good cause lie to your necktie.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/10/2012 5:05:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

The most revealing statement in the press conference was the lawyers stating that they did not believe Zimmerman was in the state of Florida. Since he is the subject of a homicide investigation he should not have left the jurisdiction much less the entire state. I wonder why a fugitive warrant hasn't been issued?

If he hasn't been charged, much less convicted, he can go anyplace he wants. You can't issue a fugitive warrant without charges.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/10/2012 5:08:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
If he hasn't been charged, much less convicted, he can go anyplace he wants. You can't issue a fugitive warrant without charges.


Not to put too fine a point on it but if the police or the DA told him "don't leave town", a "fugitive" warrent can't be issued but they can go and bring him back because of failure to obey a lawful command from Law Enforcement (I think that is true under Florida law).



Peace and comfort,



Michael




Hillwilliam -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/10/2012 5:10:25 PM)

We'll find out I guess.
It's just getting stranger and stranger. Just when you need a mouthpiece the most, he disappears from the sight of his.




Kirata -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/10/2012 5:21:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Uhrig said that last Thursday, he and Sonner helped George Zimmerman's father, Robert Zimmerman, set up a Web site to solicit donations for George's legal defense... But on Monday we began fielding questions...did we know anything about...georgezimmerman.com Web site? And our initial response was, well that's probably bogus, we don't know anything about that. And we started making inquiries and frankly confirmed that he through friends or family had in fact set that site up and it was legitimate.

Mysteriously, the new site says:
    It has come to my attention that some persons and/or entities have been collecting funds, thinly veiled as my “Defense Fund” or "Legal Fund". I cannot attest to the validity of these other websites as I have not received any funds collected, intended to support my family and I through this trying, tragic time.
http://www.therealgeorgezimmerman.com

K.




tj444 -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/10/2012 5:22:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet
Uhrig said the "final straw" was an attempt to set up a meeting with Zimmerman and the office of the special prosecutor on the case, Angela Corey. But Uhrig said that Zimmerman had contacted the special prosecutor directly, as well. "We were a bit astonished and had some conversation back and forth with the prosecutor's office," Uhrig said."They told us what we expected, '[that they] were not going to talk to a criminal or [defendant] without counsel.'"

You would think that the son of a retired judge would know this.. you would think that his father would tell him they wont talk to him directly.. you would think he would ask his father about all this stuff.. What is with this guy?

wanna bet he was trying to get an idea on his chances on if he was going to be charged or not? wanna bet he does a runner? perhaps even leaving the US.. [&:]




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/10/2012 6:22:38 PM)

He's in the wind.




erieangel -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/10/2012 8:32:15 PM)

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perhaps even leaving the US..



I think he already has. Wanna bet, he did so with daddy's help?





tj444 -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/10/2012 8:41:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: erieangel

quote:

perhaps even leaving the US..


I think he already has. Wanna bet, he did so with daddy's help?

maybe he has.. I sorta had him pegged for making a slow motion run for it like OJ did... [&:]




tazzygirl -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/10/2012 8:52:15 PM)

~FR

SANFORD, Fla. -
State Attorney Angela Corey announced to the media Tuesday night that she will hold a press conference sometime within the next three days.

In a memo from her office, Corey said she will release new information regarding the Trayvon Martin shooting death investigation.
,,,,

Martin's parents worry that if a criminal charge is levied, authorities will not be able to locate Zimmerman for an arrest.

His now-former attorneys announced Tuesday they quit the case because he has not answered their calls since Sunday, and has been acting on his own. They say they have information that he contacted the prosecutor and spoke to a network cable news host.
,,,,

The media will be notified three hours in advance of the news conference, as to when and where it will be held. It will be in either Jacksonville or Sanford.

No other information was given.'

http://www.local10.com/news/Tracy-Martin-Corey-press-conference-will-take-pressure-off/-/1717324/10453140/-/lg739t/-/index.html




Lucylastic -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/10/2012 9:16:35 PM)

Is that the Real GZ? or another site trying to cash in... Im not disbelieving what it says, Its good someone put that ut there, there are a lot of people wanna support him, not the pockets of some scam artist.
Now has he been found yet?
I would rather see justice legally done




DarkSteven -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/10/2012 9:24:22 PM)

Beyond weird. He has two lawyers, a site requesting donations... everything except the trial itself. He has not been charged, and he's defending himself.

He's his own worst enemy. Had he shown remorse after the shooting, he'd be at least a sympathetic character.

He spoke to a news host and not his own lawyers? See how well that worked for Blagojevich.




Marc2b -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/11/2012 6:47:07 AM)

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maybe he has.. I sorta had him pegged for making a slow motion run for it like OJ did...


Oh God! If he runs that means we'll have to put up with stupid "run, Zimmy, run" songs on the radio.




mnottertail -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/11/2012 6:50:05 AM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff-CetCh118




Owner59 -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/11/2012 7:19:25 AM)

Looks like Kirata has bailed too.....[:D]




Nosathro -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/11/2012 8:04:01 AM)

The reason a fugitive warrant has not been issued is that he has not been charged with anything nor failed to appear in court.




mnottertail -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/11/2012 8:06:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Looks like Kirata has bailed too.....[:D]


There is no question in my mind that Kirata and Zimmerman are different folks.   He is not Zimmerman.  He looks more like James Coburn than Speedy Gonzales.   I think any resemblance is coincidental.





kalikshama -> RE: Speaking of quitting, Zimmerman's attys bail (4/11/2012 2:13:03 PM)

Posting in its entirety as New Yorker articles are only available during the current issue:

O.J., GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, AND THEIR LAWYERS

Was the press conference held Tuesday by lawyers who may or may not have been representing George Zimmerman, the man who shot Trayvon Martin, the most farcical in the recent history of the criminal-defense bar? Not even close, despite the sight of two lawyers pouting for the cameras about a client who confided in Fox News while failing to send them text messages. On the absurdity scale, it is dwarfed by the show staged on June 17, 1994, by O. J. Simpson’s lawyers, at which Robert Kardashian (father of Kim, Kourtney et al.) read out a supposed suicide note from Simpson, who had not yet been arrested for the murder of his wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and Ron Goldman, a waiter who had stopped by her house. Simpson had been told to surrender himself to the police that morning, but had gone missing; a psychiatrist hired by the defense speculated that he might have gone to the U.S.C. football field, where he had earned a Heisman Trophy, to shoot himself in the end zone. Another lawyer, Robert Shapiro, looked at the camera and begged Simpson to surrender.

Then as now, an alleged killer’s lawyers summoned the press to say that they had no idea where he was. There are other resonances, too; most significantly, in both the O. J. Simpson and Trayvon Martin stories, a homicide became a set piece in the larger, longer drama of race and the American criminal-justice system, with every aspect magnified by media exposure. For that broad reason, the Simpson case has been invoked in recent days in efforts to explain how a seventeen-year-old boy with candy in his hand ended up lying dead on the sidewalk in Florida—or, from a different perspective, why the man who shot him has been so reviled. And yet these cases are fundamentally different, to the point of being diametrically opposed. One involved a very famous man, and his televised murder trial. The other is about an unknown boy who came close to being entirely forgotten, and whether his killer should go on trial at all. Their differences—and the way they have nevertheless been grouped together—are more instructive than their similarities.

There are some cultural constants in the pictures of 1994 and now. Jeffrey Toobin, in his reconstruction of the press conference in “The Run of His Life,” his book on the Simpson case, notes that the defense team’s hunger for publicity was made worse, in Kardashian’s case, by his resentment at seeing his former wife, Kris, with her new husband, Bruce Jenner, every time he turned on the television, “in a frequently played infomercial for a thigh-exercising device.” (Kardashian died in 2003, too early, sad to say, to witness his daughter’s relationship with another U.S.C. Heisman winner, Reggie Bush, or her briefer marriage.) The pandemonium that followed the lawyers’ press conference—a multi-hour slow-motion car chase, with O.J. in a white Bronco with a friend and a gun—proves, too, that we Americans don’t need any Twitter for a real-time, all-eyes, mass viewing-and-gossip spectacle. We’re just good at that.

And our national tendency toward amateur criminology has been, once again, engaged. The Skittles of the O.J. case was the cup of Ben and Jerry’s ice cream Nicole had with her. (The flavor became a point of contention in determining the timeline—was it only partially melted, or did it just appear that way because of cookie-dough lumps?) In neither case, however, is there ultimately much mystery about the identity of the killer. Zimmerman’s lawyers managed, however sputteringly, to affirm that he will, one way or the other, make a claim of self-defense. Simpson was acquitted in a criminal trial that became a carnival, but found responsible for the deaths in a civil suit. His own lawyers thought he was guilty from the start.
Both the Simpson and Martin cases also show the press as its fine and its fallible. How harmful was NBC News’s editing of the tape of the conversation between George Zimmerman and the police, which made it sound like he was volunteering that Martin was black, to explain why he thought that he looked suspicious, rather than answering a question about his race? Apart from its pure wrongness, the edit has the potential to be an enduring point of anger and confusion. (There were a lot of those in the O.J. trial, from the comments of the detectives to the clumsiness of the crime lab to Kato Kaelin.) Meanwhile, the local Florida press, which picked up the case—it was, as William Finnegan has written, the devotion of his parents that saved it from being lost in the memory hole—and journalists like the Times’ Charles Blow, who helped bring it to national attention, have provided real public services.

Blow explicitly connected the Simpson and Martin cases—while noting that “the cases are miles apart in the details and circumstances”—in a column this week on one truly striking parallel: the way that race affects how people view the case. A USA Today Gallup poll found that while seventy-two per cent of black respondents thought that Zimmerman was definitely or probably guilty, only thirty-two percent of whites did. (Sixty-one per cent said that they didn’t know enough, or had no opinion.) As Blow points out, Gallup polls during the Simpson trial revealed a similar breach.

Race, then, has mattered in both cases. But to what end? Here, again, the differences are what matter most.

Simpson had a long history with Nicole—she was his wife, the mother of two of his children—and he was a familiar star, instantly recognizable from the football field, movies, rental-car commercials. Whatever the actual quality of our insight, we thought we knew him; he thought he knew her, and she him. As Toobin writes, Simpson’s lawyers made a deliberate decision to bring race into the courtroom—belatedly, artificially, depressingly effectively—because they had nothing else going for them. It was a disco ball of discord, rolled in to distract, without illuminating. (If one simply wanted to explain why Nicole was dead, gender and domestic violence would be the right rubrics.) The crime itself was one of intimacy. In contrast, one of the central questions in the Trayvon Martin case is what happened—what happens—in an encounter between strangers. It forces us to confront the ways race can still be used to conjure up a character, and a whole frightening narrative, out of nothing.

This doesn’t apply only to Zimmerman, whose motives and moves have yet to be sorted out, but also to law enforcement. The Los Angeles police and district attorney’s office first approached O. J. Simpson as an old friend, then later as a big catch; they were, at turns, remarkably solicitous and opportunistically grandstanding—conscious, either way, of how his celebrity might benefit them.

In Sanford, the police didn’t even really look at Trayvon—didn’t bother to find out who might be waiting at home for an unarmed child—until they were made to. His parents had to come find him, after a long, silent night. The extent to which his blackness made the police careless or lazy is not an idle or a gratuitously divisive question. It is one that needs to be asked.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2012/04/o-j-simpson-trayvon-martin.html#ixzz1rlhqCngc




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