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Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from dog... - 4/10/2012 9:27:20 AM   
kalikshama


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Dog and Cat Fur: The Untold Suffering Endured ...for Fashion

Target: Chinese and U.S. Legislatures

Goal: To make more clothing companies fur free by making consumers more aware and banning the use of dog and car fur for clothing.

The tag won’t mention that the fur coat or boots you’re considering buying are made with a tabby cat or golden retriever, but they could be. A lot of the clothing in America is imported from China and some of the fur products are made from “mans best friend.” The cats and dogs that we love so much are killed in grisly ways for the cost of fashion. This evidence has caused an uproar of people boycotting fur; a hopeful outcome for a tragic situation.

In 2005 PETA(People for the ethical treatment of animals) did an investigation in China that revealed some harrowing truths. Dogs and cats were crammed in cages with no food or water, they were so weak they could barely move. Many had wounds from fighting because they were driven insane by the conditions. The animals were thrown from trucks in these cages by the thousands, the fall must have broken their bones. They were taken out of the cages only to be thrown into the killing pen where they were strangled, boiled, or even skinned to death.

This horrific operation still exists today and all this suffering is for something so superficial; fashion. China supplies the U.S. and Europe with half of their fur products. The fur that comes from cats and dogs is deliberately mislabeled, it is up to us to be more aware of where our products come from. No animal should be tortured for fashion and when a fur product is purchased there is no way of knowing if we are wearing an animal just like our beloved pets. Legislators should be urged to ban the selling and production of cat and dog fur, but the most effective solution to this issue lies in consumers choices to boycott all fur products and companies that sell fur. The reality is that the production of any animal fur is barbaric and cruel. This commitment at an individual level could end so much suffering endured for such a superficial cause.

Sign the Petition:

http://forcechange.com/17844/dog-and-cat-fur-the-untold-suffering-endured-by-beloved-pets-for-fashion/?utm_source=ForceChange+Newsletter&utm_campaign=b63015b523-NL3344_5_2012&utm_medium=email

See also: Skinned Alive - Cats and Dogs Killed for the Fur Trade
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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/10/2012 11:26:03 AM   
MariaB


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Status: offline 		Thanks for posting this link kalikshama, I have signed it and sent links on to friends and relatives.
Regardless of it being cats or dogs, no animal should suffer the agonizing deaths that Chinese animals so often do.

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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/10/2012 12:25:24 PM   
TNDommeK


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Status: offline 		I think I remember hearing something about this about three years ago somewhere. They were saying if you buy fur, only buy it if it is from the USA. Because it is guaranteed to be the fur you want(meaning mink, fox, etc). Not dog or cat, that is horrible.

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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/10/2012 12:50:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you want fur, the best thing to do is to hunt it yourself, or tell hubby to. That way you're not just sure of what you're getting, but also able to make sure the animal doesn't suffer needlessly, that its end comes as a swift (although premature) conclusion to a full and natural life, and that you can make the most of its death by harvesting meat and edible organs in the process. Ideally, go for species that are above sustainable levels, since those are going to starve eventually otherwise (and their priorities would probably agree with the hunting if they could grasp their own situation in regard to sustainability).

Buying animal products from China strikes me as about as ethical as buying baby food from there.

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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/10/2012 4:32:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		how the fuck can buying fur be ethical in anyway shape or form?
Are we living in caves here? What the fuck are you morons talking about?
There is only one reason to kill an animal for its fur, to look good. If you wear fur you have a dead animal draped around your body.
Aswad, shame on you, you generally seem to be fairly sane, don't sugar coat murder with "organ harvesting" and "going to starve anyway" shit, that's piss poor apologistic nonsense and you know it

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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/10/2012 4:39:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Assuming the entire animal is utilized, what's the difference between wearing fur and wearing leather.

That said, I DO object to just harvesting an animal for fur and wasting the rest.

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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/10/2012 5:43:39 PM   
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Aswad, shame on you, you generally seem to be fairly sane, don't sugar coat murder with "organ harvesting" and "going to starve anyway" shit, that's piss poor apologistic nonsense and you know it


I said "if you want fur" ... which I don't.

I will hunt for food and wildlife management.

Just so we're clear, vegan is not an option for me. My intestines cannot tolerate the level of fiber, my endocrine system cannot tolerate soy, my medications exclude most fermented foods, and I need the fat and protein for my mental and physical health.

Store bought meat comes from animals raised, reared and killed under very poor conditions. By hunting, I can replace that meat with the meat and edible organs of animals that live free and full lives. I can also ensure that they die in the most humane way possible, by maintaining myself at the level of expert marksman and never taking a shot under less than ideal circumstances. As I subscribe to the idea that every death should be made to count, I will indeed use skin and other recoverable material, at the expense of the extra effort required to do so.

That's me.

If someone else wants to wear fur for its own sake, I suggest they hunt it, rather than buy it, as a means to ensure the least ethically problematic approach. For instance, this allows them to make sure the species are picked carefully, that they're not getting it off caged animals whose killing is an unknown and underregulated quantity, and that the deaths are made to count by making use of the rest of the animal (the fur industry does not generally use the carcass). In short, I mean to encourage damage reduction as a school of thought.

I do not endorse fur for its own sake.

Sorry if that wasn't clear.

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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/10/2012 11:50:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't see using dog or cat fur as really being worse than using rabbit or mink fur... which is to say, all of them are pretty crappy.

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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/11/2012 12:24:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is pretty awful. And if you believe PETA, some the the stuff that is sold as "faux fur" on jackets etc is indeed animal fur. But because it's not rabbit, mink, etc it's not as publicised.

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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/11/2012 5:38:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Assuming the entire animal is utilized, what's the difference between wearing fur and wearing leather.



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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/11/2012 6:51:52 AM   
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I would actually like to know the answer to this question as well.


There's no major difference, of course, save that dogs and cats are socially and intellectually closer to humans than cows are, that they're more familiar and that they register as pets. This is the same thing as how most find it hits closer to home when a neighbour is killed than when some random person in a distant land is: they're closer to our hearts.

In practice, though, leather is the only thing that's routinely harvested as secondary to food, whereas the carcasses of animals killed for fur will tend to be discarded instead of being used for food. Personally, I find it problematic when the fur is what motivates the killing, rather than food motivating the killing and fur being a byproduct.

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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/11/2012 6:54:25 AM   
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It is pretty awful. And if you believe PETA, some the the stuff that is sold as "faux fur" on jackets etc is indeed animal fur. But because it's not rabbit, mink, etc it's not as publicised.

I don't believe PETA under any circumstances.

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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/11/2012 12:32:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I won't say you are wrong about cows. Personally I don't care for them anymore than I do goats. But I do know more than a few 4H kids that would say you are wrong about how smart they are in comparison to cats, dogs, and humans for that matter. I love animals of most kinds but the belief that they are smarter and more closely related to humans because we can teach them to lick our faces and follow us around is a foolish one.

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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/11/2012 1:01:29 PM   
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I don't believe PETA under any circumstances.


I don't always approve of their methods but have no knowledge of them being untrustworthy. Please illuminate me.

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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/11/2012 1:14:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		PETA is a load of crap, in my opinion.
Ingrid Newkirk is a frickin piece of work. She does things in her protesting such as slashing red pain on fur coats to protest the use of fur, declaring captive animals be killed because since they cannot be released into the wild they shouldn't live as captive animals either, she believes that pit bulls should all be extinguished from existence because they are "untrustworthy and innately vicious dogs".

Just my 2 cents on PETA. I used to follow them loyally until I learned of all this.


To go back to topic, if the whole animal is being used and not just killed for their fur, and killed in a humane way, I don't see fur being any different then taking the hide from a cow and making leather. Fur and leather have been made to make things for centuries and while we have other products like wool, alpaca hair, and other synthetic material, they are not of the grade of fur or leather. Leather is tough and can last a very long time, and fur is still probably the warmest material to use. Its when it gets into the realm of fashion that animals die needlessly, that's what bothers me. And if they die by being skinned alive, or drowned, or electrocuted, that really bugs me. I know cows are destined to die anyway, that doesn't mean they have to be treated like shit while they are here on earth. I am an animal lover but I am also practical. No I would not make my dogs into a fur coat although I have shaved them on some occasions and have recently learned you can make toques and mitts out of these if you can find somone to spin the hair like they spin yarn. So there are other ways to get fur from animals without resulting in the animal losing it's life but these aren't always readily available.
What is posted here seems more like senseless murder and that is not something I agree with. At all.

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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/11/2012 1:46:21 PM   
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PETA is a load of crap, in my opinion.
Ingrid Newkirk is a frickin piece of work. She does things in her protesting such as slashing red pain on fur coats to protest the use of fur, declaring captive animals be killed because since they cannot be released into the wild they shouldn't live as captive animals either, she believes that pit bulls should all be extinguished from existence because they are "untrustworthy and innately vicious dogs".


That's mostly beliefs/philosophies. Did any of their reporting/exposes turn out to be untrue?

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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/11/2012 1:50:48 PM   
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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/11/2012 1:53:25 PM   
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I don't believe PETA under any circumstances.


I don't always approve of their methods but have no knowledge of them being untrustworthy. Please illuminate me.

http://thecommonconstitutionalist.com/2012/02/29/newsflash-peta-lies/
Here's a start. Want a few dozen more?

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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/11/2012 2:08:41 PM   
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PETA is a load of crap, in my opinion.
Ingrid Newkirk is a frickin piece of work. She does things in her protesting such as slashing red pain on fur coats to protest the use of fur, declaring captive animals be killed because since they cannot be released into the wild they shouldn't live as captive animals either, she believes that pit bulls should all be extinguished from existence because they are "untrustworthy and innately vicious dogs".


That's mostly beliefs/philosophies. Did any of their reporting/exposes turn out to be untrue?



I believe a few of them were proven to have rendered false numbers and they tried to shut down a legitimate breeding operation, claiming it was a puppy mill.

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RE: Petition: Label source of fur / ban use of fur from... - 4/11/2012 2:11:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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PETA is a load of crap, in my opinion.
Ingrid Newkirk is a frickin piece of work. She does things in her protesting such as slashing red pain on fur coats to protest the use of fur, declaring captive animals be killed because since they cannot be released into the wild they shouldn't live as captive animals either, she believes that pit bulls should all be extinguished from existence because they are "untrustworthy and innately vicious dogs".


That's mostly beliefs/philosophies. Did any of their reporting/exposes turn out to be untrue?



I believe a few of them were proven to have rendered false numbers and they tried to shut down a legitimate breeding operation, claiming it was a puppy mill.

Not to mention the dogs they "Rescued" from a North Carolina animal shelter after assuring the director thay would have no problem getting them homes.
Then, they killed them in the back of the van and tossed them in a dumpster.

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