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Paul Ryan - 4/3/2012 9:54:11 AM   
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/03/obama-paul-ryan-budget-social-darwinism_n_1399080.html?ref=topbar

Thinly veiled Social Darwinism? Thinly veiled??????
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RE: Paul Ryan - 4/3/2012 9:58:48 AM   
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WASHINGTON -- In remarks later Tuesday, President Barack Obama will slam the Republican budget plan put forward by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) as "nothing but thinly veiled Social Darwinism."

"It's a Trojan Horse," Obama will say during remarks at an Associated Press Luncheon, according to excerpts released by the White House.

"Disguised as [a] deficit reduction plan, it's really an attempt to impose a radical vision on our country. It's nothing but thinly-veiled Social Darwinism. It's antithetical to our entire history as a land of opportunity and upward mobility for everyone who's willing to work for it -- a place where prosperity doesn't trickle down from the top, but grows outward from the heart of the middle class. And by gutting the very things we need to grow an economy that's built to last -- education and training; research and development -- it's a prescription for decline," the president will say.

Staying on that theme, Obama will go on to address how prosperity in the United States has never trickled down from "the success of a wealthy few." Instead, he'll say, it comes from the success of a strong middle class.

"That's how a generation who went to college on the GI Bill, including my grandfather, helped build the most prosperous economy the world has ever known," he'll say. "That's why a CEO like Henry Ford made it his mission to pay his workers enough so they could buy the cars that they made. That's why studies have shown that countries with less inequality tend to have stronger and steadier economic growth over the long run."

Obama will give remarks and take questions at the Washington, D.C. event around 12:30 p.m.

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RE: Paul Ryan - 4/17/2012 2:52:11 PM   
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Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) is perfectly willing to follow the dictates of the Catholic bishops on limiting women's access to reproductive health care. Funny how he ignores his church when it advises caring for the poor, ending war—and supporting President Obama's proposed federal budget instead of Ryan's own "starve the poor, help the wealthy" plan.

Perhaps the architect of the make-poor-people-pay plan hasn't read the recent guidance from the Conference of Catholic Bishops that "a just framework for future budgets cannot rely on disproportionate cuts in essential services to poor persons; it requires shared sacrifice by all, including raising adequate revenues, eliminating unnecessary military and other spending, and addressing the long-term costs of health insurance and retirement programs fairly."

Let's remind Paul Ryan of his church's advice.

Call out Paul Ryan by sending him a copy of the statement from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops denouncing his budget proposal.

Thousands of emails will let Ryan and his fellow conservatives know that you can't hide behind church teachings when it's in line with conservative thinking and ignore it when it's not. Voters are keeping track of the hypocrisy.

Click here to send an email to Paul Ryan: http://campaigns.dailykos.com/p/dia/action/public/

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RE: Paul Ryan - 4/17/2012 3:01:48 PM   
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Would make a damn good Vice President

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RE: Paul Ryan - 4/17/2012 7:20:17 PM   
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Yes would. It would also deliver the state of Wisconsin to the GOP, a state Obama needs to stay in his regime.

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RE: Paul Ryan - 4/17/2012 7:51:23 PM   
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Yes would. It would also deliver the state of Wisconsin to the GOP, a state Obama needs to stay in his regime.



That was funny...LOL. Wisconsin for Romney...LOL

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RE: Paul Ryan - 4/17/2012 10:46:47 PM   
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Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) is perfectly willing to follow the dictates of the Catholic bishops on limiting women's access to reproductive health care. Funny how he ignores his church when it advises caring for the poor, ending war—and supporting President Obama's proposed federal budget instead of Ryan's own "starve the poor, help the wealthy" plan.

Perhaps the architect of the make-poor-people-pay plan hasn't read the recent guidance from the Conference of Catholic Bishops that "a just framework for future budgets cannot rely on disproportionate cuts in essential services to poor persons; it requires shared sacrifice by all, including raising adequate revenues, eliminating unnecessary military and other spending, and addressing the long-term costs of health insurance and retirement programs fairly."

Let's remind Paul Ryan of his church's advice.

Call out Paul Ryan by sending him a copy of the statement from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops denouncing his budget proposal.


The letters from the Archbishops and Bishops followed Ryan’s comments last week that his Catholic faith shaped the budget he authored. He also argued the budget is consistent with Catholic teachings...

But Ryan is really just a "cafeteria Catholic".

The Successors Of The Apostles And Obedience

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A "Cafeteria Catholic" is someone who simply picks and chooses what they want to believe as if they were in the line at the cafeteria.


If Congressman Ryan was a real Catholic and not a "Cafeteria Catholic", he would be obedient to his Archbishops and Bishops and withdraw his proposed budget which makes “unacceptable cuts to hunger and nutrition” programs.

However, he will probably be more obedient to Grover Norquist and to the Tea Party...



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RE: Paul Ryan - 4/17/2012 10:57:00 PM   
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When Ryan claimed that his Catholic faith shaped the budget he authored and his budget is consistent with Catholic teachings, he opened the door to examining his budget and it's "religious" underpinings.

And when you examine his budget, you see (as the leaders of his own church see) that his budget is the polar opposite of Catholic, Christian and even Jewish teachings. I am not a student of the Koran - but I suspect the Ryan budget isn't based on the teachings of Islam either.

His "faith" may have shaped his budget - but it wasn't any religious faith I am aware of - it resembles more the "anti-faith" of the radical atheist Ayn Rand.

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RE: Paul Ryan - 4/18/2012 12:50:24 AM   
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That's what you want isn't it? A secular government? You progressives should be all for Ryan's "anti-faith" budget.

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RE: Paul Ryan - 4/18/2012 2:49:34 AM   
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That's what you want isn't it? A secular government? You progressives should be all for Ryan's "anti-faith" budget.

A secular government does not have to be cruel just for the sake of being cruel which is what Ryan's budget does.

The Ryan budget offers huge additional tax cuts to the very wealthiest paid for by cutting the most basic safety net programs. How does that make any sense?

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RE: Paul Ryan - 4/18/2012 4:49:31 AM   
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That's what you want isn't it? A secular government? You progressives should be all for Ryan's "anti-faith" budget.

A secular government does not have to be cruel just for the sake of being cruel which is what Ryan's budget does.

The Ryan budget offers huge additional tax cuts to the very wealthiest paid for by cutting the most basic safety net programs. How does that make any sense?


It makes perfect sense if you drop the progressive "screw the poor in favor of the rich" spin.

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RE: Paul Ryan - 4/18/2012 11:21:06 AM   
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The Rev. Bryan N. Massingale is a professor of theological ethics at Marquette University and is a former president of the Catholic Theological Society of America. John Gehring is Catholic outreach coordinator and senior writer at Faith in Public Life in Washington, D.C. Together they wrote the following article:

An immoral budget

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Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) - chairman of the House Budget Committee and a Catholic who says he prays daily for the fiscal health of our country - has released a federal budget proposal that fails the moral test of his own faith tradition and disregards our nation's responsibility to care for the most vulnerable. His misguided plans call for the elderly, working Americans and the poor to sacrifice even more, while corporations and millionaires are rewarded with generous tax breaks...

Ryan takes his Catholic faith seriously and has defended his policy approach in strong moral terms. But it seems he needs a refresher course in basic Catholic teaching. The Catholic justice tradition - as defined by bishops and popes over the centuries - holds a positive role for government, advocates a "preferential option for the poor" and recognizes that those with greater means should contribute a fair share in taxes to serve the common good.

Ryan and other conservatives hold tax cuts for hedge fund managers on Wall Street sacred even as they dismiss concern about rising income inequality as "class warfare." In contrast, Pope Benedict XVI denounces the "scandal of glaring inequalities."...

It seems that Ryan's budget is more indebted to his hero Ayn Rand than to the message of Jesus. Rand, a libertarian icon who mocked all religion and rejected the Gospel's ethic of compassion, has been praised by Ryan for explaining "the morality of individualism." Catholic values reject such radical individualism and the social callousness that it breeds.

A Catholic vision for a just economy is rooted in the conviction that we are all in this together, and not just isolated individuals locked in a Darwinian struggle for survival.
In fact, it was another Ryan - the noted writer on labor and inequality, Msgr. John Ryan - who in 1919 drafted a bold plan for Catholic bishops that helped lay the moral groundwork for President Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal.

These visionary proposals, which included a call for minimum wages, insurance for the elderly and unemployed, labor rights and housing for workers, put human dignity at the heart of public policy. It's tragic that nearly a century later, influential Catholic members of Congress are now promoting economic agendas that undermine and even betray this proud legacy.

We need to reject the false and immoral choice that we can only address the national debt and be fiscally responsible if we balance budgets on the backs of those already straining to stand up straight.


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RE: Paul Ryan - 4/18/2012 4:10:40 PM   
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Would make a damn good Vice President


He's the Jane Fonda of the Right... and about as pretty


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RE: Paul Ryan - 4/18/2012 4:12:05 PM   
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Yes would. It would also deliver the state of Wisconsin to the GOP, a state Obama needs to stay in his regime.


I hear back home there's buyer's remorse regarding Ryan.

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RE: Paul Ryan - 4/18/2012 5:13:19 PM   
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That's what you want isn't it? A secular government? You progressives should be all for Ryan's "anti-faith" budget.

A secular government does not have to be cruel just for the sake of being cruel which is what Ryan's budget does.

The Ryan budget offers huge additional tax cuts to the very wealthiest paid for by cutting the most basic safety net programs. How does that make any sense?


It makes perfect sense if you drop the progressive "screw the poor in favor of the rich" spin.

only if you're a heartless amoral ass.

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RE: Paul Ryan - 4/18/2012 5:14:26 PM   
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Yes would. It would also deliver the state of Wisconsin to the GOP, a state Obama needs to stay in his regime.


I hear back home there's buyer's remorse regarding Ryan.

He spent last summer dodging the people who elected him including having some arrested for trying to schedule a meeting with him at his office.

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