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Owner59 -> Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/29/2012 6:16:13 PM)
"Woman Is Dragged From Hospital And Dies Shortly After In Jail For Not Being Able To Walk" What happens when yoiu`re poor and homeless and sick........in con-land..... You go to jail........and die there. "A hospital is supposed to be a place where anyone can feel safe and feel as though they will be taken care of. Unfortunately for Anna Brown, this was not the case. Anna went into the hospital seeking treatment for a sprained ankle. Anna also happened to be poor, homeless, and African American. Anna had been to two other hospitals the week in September that she died. But like millions of poor people across the country, she was unable to get adequate care. Brown, of course, was on Medicaid, making it so she would get the minimum level of care. She went to Saint Mary’s Hospital of Saint Louis hoping they would help her as she was in excruciating pain, again from a sprained ankle. Saint Mary’s released her but she refused to leave stating that her ankle hurt so bad she couldn’t stand. The hospital, however, was not going to help Anna Brown anymore. They instead called the police who arrested Anna for trespassing and wheeled her to the squad car in handcuffs. The doctor had said she was healthy enough for jail. Once she arrived at the jail, she told the police that she could not get out of the car as her ankles were in too much pain. Rather than get a wheelchair, the officers dragged her into the police station. It was then that the officers left her alone lying on the cold concrete floor. Not more than fifteen minutes later, she was found dead on the concrete floor. The officers had originally suspected she was using drugs, but the autopsy report showed she was not. But what the autopsy report showed as her cause of death is enough to sicken even the strongest of stomachs. It turns out Brown was right, that there was something more than a sprained ankle. Her autopsy showed her cause of death was blood clots that started in her leg then moved to her lung." RIP Anna. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/28/woman-is-dragged-from-hospital-and-dies-shortly-after-in-jail-for-not-being-able-to-walk-video/

thishereboi -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/29/2012 6:39:17 PM)
Medicaid and the hospital failed this women, not the republicans. But as usual you are too busy pointing fingers to worry about pesky things like facts.

Owner59 -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/29/2012 6:41:07 PM)
She was healthy enough for jail......right?[8\|]

thishereboi -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/29/2012 7:05:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 She was healthy enough for jail......right?[8\|] She should have been kept at the hospital and had more tests done. I would think you would have know that, I guess I was wrong. But like I said, the republicans didn't have anything to do with that.

Owner59 -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/29/2012 7:17:53 PM)
So when republicans get rid of/kill/gut the safety net,you know.....welfare.....that cons constantly grouse about paying paying for.....what`s going to happen to people out of luck? What happened to Anna,is what. Maybe some will get care from a charity if they`re lucky......maybe..... Maybe you`ll and your con friends can condescendingly tell homeless folks like Anna to buy their own health insurance? Ya`ll can at least "feel" like you`re helping.

erieangel -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/29/2012 7:18:41 PM)
Stuff like this happens all the time. My mother was only 68 when she died. She had been on Medicare and Medicaid for years. For 5 years she had complained of stomach upset, had bouts of vomiting, excessive weight loss, high blood sugar and weakness. She kept going to the doctor who would treat her symptoms but not really do any tests. In the last few months she was alive, she was in the hospital twice. The first time, they kept her for 2 days until her sugar levels were back to normal. Three weeks later, she was back in the emergency. In that time, she'd only gotten worse. My sister, who lived with her, called me several times not knowing what to do because mom had even become incontinent. Finally, we talked mom into to the hospital again. And finally, a caring and conscientious ER doctor ordered an abdominal CAT. It showed a dark blot on her pancreas. Pancreatic cancer is treatable in the early stages. Unfortunately, by the time mom was diagnosed she was already in stage 4. She lived only a few months after getting the diagnosis. Despite going through Chemo, which we were all told wouldn't eliminate the cancer, but would prevent it from metastasizing, it did metastasize--to her breasts and her lungs. The doctors performed one final surgery, to scrap some of the cancer from her lungs and she never woke after that. For 2 days, she languished in the hospital, on IVs and oxygen, before we were able to move her to a nursing home. We took her off the IVs and she passed a week later. If the doctors had done their jobs 5 years earlier, she would have had a chance though I do realize there is no guarantee. I blame the doctors for her passing.

Owner59 -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/29/2012 7:21:52 PM)
That sucks....sorry. My mom has had some bad luck health-wise but gets really good health-care,luckily.

subrob1967 -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/29/2012 9:10:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 "Woman Is Dragged From Hospital And Dies Shortly After In Jail For Not Being Able To Walk" What happens when yoiu`re poor and homeless and sick........in con-land..... You go to jail........and die there. "A hospital is supposed to be a place where anyone can feel safe and feel as though they will be taken care of. Unfortunately for Anna Brown, this was not the case. Anna went into the hospital seeking treatment for a sprained ankle. Anna also happened to be poor, homeless, and African American. Anna had been to two other hospitals the week in September that she died. But like millions of poor people across the country, she was unable to get adequate care. Brown, of course, was on Medicaid, making it so she would get the minimum level of care. She went to Saint Mary’s Hospital of Saint Louis hoping they would help her as she was in excruciating pain, again from a sprained ankle. Saint Mary’s released her but she refused to leave stating that her ankle hurt so bad she couldn’t stand. The hospital, however, was not going to help Anna Brown anymore. They instead called the police who arrested Anna for trespassing and wheeled her to the squad car in handcuffs. The doctor had said she was healthy enough for jail. Once she arrived at the jail, she told the police that she could not get out of the car as her ankles were in too much pain. Rather than get a wheelchair, the officers dragged her into the police station. It was then that the officers left her alone lying on the cold concrete floor. Not more than fifteen minutes later, she was found dead on the concrete floor. The officers had originally suspected she was using drugs, but the autopsy report showed she was not. But what the autopsy report showed as her cause of death is enough to sicken even the strongest of stomachs. It turns out Brown was right, that there was something more than a sprained ankle. Her autopsy showed her cause of death was blood clots that started in her leg then moved to her lung." RIP Anna. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/28/woman-is-dragged-from-hospital-and-dies-shortly-after-in-jail-for-not-being-able-to-walk-video/ I'd say it was Obamacare that killed this woman... After all, medicaid is what we're all heading for, thanks to you progressives.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/29/2012 9:38:52 PM)
I'm sorry to hear about your mom. One of the problems is that the doctors who take Medicare and/or Medicaid are just short of incompetent, and those programs pay such an astoundingly small fee for the services, the doctors are going for quantity over quality. I had to switch to a Medicaid doctor when I lost my insurance. He typically smelled of alcohol, so he rarely looked you in the eye. Since becoming injured and diagnosed as a diabetic, I have been prone to UTIs' and recurrent kidney stones. The first appointment I had with him, gave him a urine sample and when I asked for the results, they said there were "traces" of blood in my urine. I explained that this seemed to be a continuing problem, and the response was that it was "traces." I told them that I didn't care if it was just traces or the bloody fucking Nile, it didn't belong there and needed to be looked into. Then when he was filling out forms for Social Security, he also did some kind of pulmonary test. He came back in and said that I had 71% lung capacity. That's it, no referring for more testing or anything. I was kind of dumbfounded at the time and didn't say anything. On my next visit, which was for blood work results (diabetic, get stuck every three months, along with the urine), after basically demanding the actual information of the results (he kept just saying, it's fine), I asked if he thought some kind of follow up might be in order after that pulmonary test. His response? "You smoke so it doesn't really matter." Excuse me?! I demanded a chest x-ray. This guy was seriously pissing me off. He also kept telling me my A1C was good, and when I pressed for the actual number, he said it was 7.6! He had nothing to say when I pointed out that number was NOT good. I made the decision right then that I would not continue to see that doctor. Even though I can't afford it, I do without so that I can pay my old doctor (who was great) and get good medical care (at least at the primary level). Went to him for the results of the chest x-ray and it was perfectly clear. I signed the paperwork, and my medical records were requested from the asshole doctor, but they still haven't gotten them and it's been a couple of months. Now the lump on my thyroid has increased in size and another biopsy needs to be done. I have to apply for charity care at UMDNJ (local teaching hospital/med school) to get treatment because my insurance doesn't cover it. The hospital is nearly an hour away, and the soones appointment I could get is MAY 2ND. I have to do the same thing for the multiple kidney stones I have been suffering with for the last 6-7 months. I have a very narrow ureter that is not able to pass most stones, but one of the stones is 5x8mm and is causing a partial blockage and urine is being pushed back into my kidney. NOT a safe situation, but the local hospital won't remove them, they insist I get outpatient treatment. Of course, you aren't going to find a specialist who takes Medicaid, so no treatment for me. The next available appointment at UMDNJ's urology clinic? JULY. My doctor is pretty concerned and on my last visit we went over everything I need to stay on the lookout for should the lack of proper medical treatment cause a serious infection or worse kidney failure. No one should have to deal with what your mother went through, what the woman in the OP went through, or what I am going through. I shouldn't have to joke with my doctor that I might as well wait until I go to visit my friend who lives in Germany in November to get treatment. I've saved for this trip for so long, but now I have to look into whether or not I can utilize their NHS as opposed to simply planning my vacation? It's absolutely ridiculous. The saddest thing about the OP? It was a religious hospital.

Zonie63 -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/29/2012 10:05:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 The doctor had said she was healthy enough for jail. I wonder if the doctor is healthy enough for jail.

DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/30/2012 12:06:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 I'd say it was Obamacare that killed this woman... After all, medicaid is what we're all heading for, thanks to you progressives. Of course you would. If the sun explodes and vaporizes this planet, some people will blame Obama for that, too. [sm=fingers.gif]

DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/30/2012 12:10:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 She went to Saint Mary’s Hospital of Saint Louis hoping they would help her as she was in excruciating pain, again from a sprained ankle. I was raised in St Loser, and I can tell you from bitter experience that this is about average. If there is a festering sore which is the center of all the heartless evil infesting this country, St Loser in the Great State of Misery is a top contender. [sm=beatdeadhorse.gif]

tazzygirl -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/30/2012 12:43:15 AM)
~FR Politics are to blame, yet neither political party is exempt from the blame, nor is either the primary blame. The hospital isnt to blame, yet, because they hired the Dr, they are named in the suit. I cant even say the physician is to blame. Cant tell you how many clots get missed. Blamimg medicaid is bullshit. My own Doctor takes my medicaid... so does my specialist.. my podiatrist, my dentist, my nutritionist, my optometrist.... and I truly feel like I get great care. They listen, they answer questions, they take their time. D Conti teaches at Pitt University and is considered one of the best foot and ankle surgeons in this area, which is saying something in this huge medical community. But PA doesnt run its Medicaid program like other states, for which I am truly grateful. I have four plans I can choose from, and can switch at any time between them. A hospital takes medicaid, not the ER physicians. I see the fault as being an exact example of the problem with health care in this country overall. And a major reason to push for national health care. It should NOT matter what insurance you have. Doctors should treat the condition, not the insurance policy. Its almost humorous that rob wants to point out that this is the result of Obamacare... lol... this is a direct reflection of the problem with insurance companies and bean counters running health care. It would have bene far cheaper had this woman gone to a PCP, got worked up, diagnosed and treated. Instead, 3 ER visits, a trip to jail, the death of this woman, and a lawsuit is going to cost far more. The hospital isnt at fault. Republicans arent at fault. Democrats arent at fault. Obamacare isnt at fault. The Doctor, hopefully followed standards of care. Insurance companies are at fault. Lets lay the blame where it truly should be.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/30/2012 2:06:46 AM)
Well, hell, Tazzy, if the Republicans give us REAL free-market health care, Lafayette will be able to buy insurance across state lines. Is that fuckin' great or what?

joether -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/30/2012 2:26:11 AM)
The hospital and police should be rightly blamed for this. Due to their NEGILIGENCE, an innocent American died under their protection and care. Sounds like there is a medical doctor that should be investigated throughly, not to mention a police chief that hires morons to handle the law. The two missing components here are 'responsibility' and 'accountibility'. These things are important in our form of goverment, because without them, things start breaking down. And I believe most of us have watch numerous systems within our goverment break down. Back at the start of this new millennium, Congress and the White House were both in control of the GOP. For the first SIX YEARS, they controlled both locations. During that time, not once did they try to solve the growing health care problem in the country. In fact, they did everything they could to reduce rules and regulations to make it easier for health coverage organizations to raise rates by double digit percentages. I'm with Owner59 above, in that I have no illusions that the GOP cares about most Americans like they care about the NASA program (they were happy to cut that down too). As it stands, the GOP have tried every petty tactic in the book to keep Affordable Care Act from being passed. They even watered it down, just to make sure Americans didnt say "Hey, these Democrats have some good ideas, lets get rid of these GOP bums that have no ideas or thoughts on good goverment". Republicans states that Americans shouldnt have to pay for someone else's health care coverage. But dont Americans pay for all the Republican's health coverage? Including former Presidents? Every member of Congress? And those members on the US Supreme Court? They STILL want us to happily pay for THOSE health care coverage AFTER the ACA is torn down. Pot calling the kettle black, if you ask me. I dont see how people get by without health coverage, particularly the older they get. I live in the one state that covers 98.6% of the citizens and costs a mere 3% of the state budget. One can get better coverage if they want to pay for it; but every citizens is covered. Instead of individuals being at the 'tender mercy' of multi-state (if not multi-country) corporations; those citizens of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts got together and decided to re-write the rules and laws regarding health coverage. And we got alot of good things out of it. The state doesnt pay nearly as much as the conservatives warned us about (you know how often conseervatives use the FEAR CARD, right?). Every citizen is covered (minus the criminals and those still to new to the state to get coverage). Its really to bad we couldnt replicate this into the other 49 states. Those states that could REALLY use a tool like Mass Health, are the states controlled the most by the GOP. These GOP members are the same folks that get on stage and thumb their hands to their chest and say they are for the good health of this nation and its citizens. To which its often replayed over and over again on the world's most 'trusted' source in news.....FOX News!

DesideriScuri -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/30/2012 3:27:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Back at the start of this new millennium, Congress and the White House were both in control of the GOP. For the first SIX YEARS, they controlled both locations. During that time, not once did they try to solve the growing health care problem in the country. In fact, they did everything they could to reduce rules and regulations to make it easier for health coverage organizations to raise rates by double digit percentages. I'm with Owner59 above, in that I have no illusions that the GOP cares about most Americans like they care about the NASA program (they were happy to cut that down too). As it stands, the GOP have tried every petty tactic in the book to keep Affordable Care Act from being passed. They even watered it down, just to make sure Americans didnt say "Hey, these Democrats have some good ideas, lets get rid of these GOP bums that have no ideas or thoughts on good goverment". Yeah, it's the damn GOP's fault for taking the conservative stance of not meddling in the market there! The bastards! How dare the right leaning party follow Conservative politics! Understand I call them "right leaning" because much of the party is not truly Conservative, regardless of their crowing. And, most of the GOP is more into government expansion than they'd like to admit. They point fingers at the Democrats (who are for government expansion and make no bones about it) and sneer at the D's attempts to expand government. If the D's tried to expand into the areas the R's have no problem expanding into, the sneering drops off to baseline partisan bickering. The Democrats demonized Bush over the two wars. In 2007, when they took over Congress, did they end the wars by stopping spending? No. No, they did not. Why? Because they weren't as concerned about the wars as they had trumpeted. Yes, they were still concerned, but the rhetoric was more a political tool. They could have cut funding, forcing a withdrawal. In 2009, when they owned Congress (with near super majorities no less) and the White House, did they change most of the stuff they railed against Bush about? Nope. Again, it was more about getting into power. quote: Republicans states that Americans shouldnt have to pay for someone else's health care coverage. But dont Americans pay for all the Republican's health coverage? Including former Presidents? Every member of Congress? And those members on the US Supreme Court? They STILL want us to happily pay for THOSE health care coverage AFTER the ACA is torn down. Pot calling the kettle black, if you ask me. Now, you're being silly. Those health care costs have nothing to do with the ACA. Those care costs (and I support removing lifetime pensions and health care for retired, or former politicians) are considered more of an employer based care since they are getting them because they were employed by the Federal Government. This is why I have absolutely no problem and fully support VA/Tricare. The ACA is a completely different animal.

tazzygirl -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/30/2012 4:44:20 AM)
quote: The hospital and police should be rightly blamed for this. The hospital is being held up to their standards... they are being sued. Any liability will come out. However, just because a physician made a bad decision doesnt make the hospital wrong or to blame. What did the police do wrong? They were called in and arrested a woman for trespassing.. AFTER being told the woman was medically cleared. I cannot see faulting the police department for doing their jobs. So you will have to point out to me their liability.

tazzygirl -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/30/2012 4:46:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster Well, hell, Tazzy, if the Republicans give us REAL free-market health care, Lafayette will be able to buy insurance across state lines. Is that fuckin' great or what? Yeah, lovely, lets open ourselves up for more abuse, more excuses and more red tape.

Truthiness -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/30/2012 5:45:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl The hospital is being held up to their standards... they are being sued. Any liability will come out. However, just because a physician made a bad decision doesnt make the hospital wrong or to blame. And on top of that, it's too soon with the available info to judge that the physician made a bad decision. She was kept at the hospital for seven hours, during which both legs were given ultrasounds to check for clots, which came back negative. But of course I don't know what else may have been done or not done, so I'm just saying it might be too soon to pass judgement.

kalikshama -> RE: Republican Healthcare 101....... (3/30/2012 6:04:46 AM)
Here's the rest of the article (and there is also a video): To some this may seem like a simple mistake. Neither the officers nor the police knew she had a blood clot in her leg. But this speaks to a larger problem and it is quite likely that both race, and her status as a homeless person had much more to do with it then an innocent error. I have a life threatening heart condition called Long QT Syndrome 7 or Andersen Tawill Syndrome. I have survived multiple cardiac arrests and many ventricular arrhythmias. But I can feel for Anna as I was once homeless as well. It was during this time that my heart condition had started. My condition, in fact, has only had about 100 cases reported worldwide since 1973. I went from clinic to clinic, doctor to doctor, just trying to find out what was wrong. They never did. Five cardiac arrests later I was able to go to the Mayo Clinic, where I should have gone to begin with but couldn’t afford. In those two years I was told that yes, I had a life threatening heart abnormality. But I was also told it was due to abusing drugs. The only problem was that I was not abusing drugs, and the doctors refused to test for it. It was an easy answer, and they knew the care I would have needed would have been too costly. But after two years of being poor and literally dying at random, I finally figured out what was wrong. But only because I got better (and private) insurance. I was truly lucky. Each time I had about a five percent chance of survival. But I was lucky enough to be able to come back to life, lucky enough to conveniently have an AED present each time and someone who knew CPR. Anna was not so lucky. Like me, she was dismissed several times, most likely due to lack of insurance. When doctors can’t figure out what’s wrong through cheap means and you have public or no insurance, they usually deem you mentally unstable or on drugs, without proof or evidence. This is likely what happened with Anna Brown. But she did not have to die. Had the hospital or the police actually done their job right she would probably still be alive. If she was not homeless or if she had private insurance, she likely would still be alive. But now a life is lost. A family mourns, two children will never see their mother again. She died, most likely, because she was black and/or (likely and) poor. This is not a reason for anyone to die. Please join me in calling Saint Mary’s Hospital at 314-768-8000 and the Richmond Heights Police Department at 314-645-3000 and demand that something be done. And please share this article! Together we can fight these injustices. One day longer! One day stronger! Jeremy Ryan Executive Director Defending Wisconsin PAC [email protected]

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