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not official actions by the Occupy St. Louis movement. - 3/21/2012 6:36:22 PM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		Folks around here are getting fed up...As usual leaders deny responsibility for the actions.

Oh I forgot… it’s the FBI or St Louis plants trying to discredit the always innocent 99 percent movement.

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I quote...."ONLY THE BLOOD OF THE RICH WILL STOP OCCUPY"...yep good people...no violent intent here



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RE: not official actions by the Occupy St. Louis movement. - 3/21/2012 11:28:42 PM   
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RE: not official actions by the Occupy St. Louis movement. - 3/22/2012 12:31:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Occupy movement should set up their own security force for major events. It would be natural thing to do. There are probably a good choice of unemployed strong young men with military combat training, martial artists, athletes who could volunteer for the job. They can not rely on the Police. The security would kick out their own who behave inappropriately, eliminate police undercover infiltrators and so on. They could also communicate with the Police as mediators armed with good knowledge of the law. 

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RE: not official actions by the Occupy St. Louis movement. - 3/22/2012 6:04:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub
As usual leaders deny responsibility for the actions.



We are to take it, then, that you have it on good authority that the leaders of OWS specifically directed this graffiti be so painted, with those specific words scripted.

Good job there.





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RE: not official actions by the Occupy St. Louis movement. - 3/22/2012 8:19:44 AM   
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We are to take it, then, that you have it on good authority that the leaders of OWS specifically directed this graffiti be so painted.


No Edynn I don't... but did you read their response? They say it was not a sanctioned action by the movement… BUT...they can understand the frustration blah blah blah.

It would be refreshing...and the only way the movement will survive... to say..."We denounce the actions of those that miss-represent and discredit our cause and we will do everything possible to aid the authorities in finding those responsible These actions and the cost of cleanup, let alone the defacement of history and public property, take money from the people we represent as well as ourselves. This is not what we stand for and we will make every effort to remove this criminal element from our movement”

Never happen and that is why unless there is real change in the direction of the movement I believe it will fail.

Butch

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RE: not official actions by the Occupy St. Louis movement. - 3/22/2012 8:21:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sort of like the Teabaggers have done with the Bush administration you mean?  More or less mordant than that? 

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RE: not official actions by the Occupy St. Louis movement. - 3/22/2012 8:25:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ron... Don't you think the actions of the Teabaggers has hurt their cause? I sure do... Do you want the same thing to befall this movement...I sure don't. Do the criminal actions of one group make the criminal actions of another acceptable to you.... Not me.

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RE: not official actions by the Occupy St. Louis movement. - 3/22/2012 8:48:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Butch, one thing I ain't, is; guilty cuz the chinese are communists.  
The occupy movement will be villified by the neo-cons and teabaggers, no matter if they were to personally hunt these people down and string them up.

You don't think the statement was strong enough (rhetoric makes all the difference, eh? its an image thing?), well, there is no statement strong enough.   Those for will still be for, those against will still be against the idea of the movement.


It is what it is.  

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RE: not official actions by the Occupy St. Louis movement. - 3/22/2012 9:08:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ron I think you are dead wrong... The support for the movement among the everyday citizen, the most important support, is now swinging away from the movement because it is turning too radical. There is still a chance that the average Joe majority can be turned back to support but once it swings away the movement will be dead.

Yes you are right there are the hardcore believers and distracters but they are a small group compared to those who have not made their minds up about the validity and purpose of the movement.

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RE: not official actions by the Occupy St. Louis movement. - 3/22/2012 9:29:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, your OP speaks to your heartfelt needs.  I guess maybe what they should have said is we hope that we are able to string up the neo-cons and teabaggers that did this graffiti in order to discredit our movement.

Does that work better, or worse?

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RE: not official actions by the Occupy St. Louis movement. - 3/22/2012 9:48:03 AM   
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Fine then.

As soon as you show as much concern that the Republican party has yet to denounce all of talk radio and religious wacko presidential candidates, we might have serious discussion here.

So then, for example;

to say..."We denounce the actions of those that miss-represent and discredit our cause and we will do everything possible to aid the authorities in finding those responsible These actions and the cost of healthcare, let alone the defacement of history and the US Constitution by imposing religion into government, take money from the people we represent as well as ourselves and then give it to the oil companies and agro-chem companies by the multimillions. This is not what we stand for and we will make every effort to remove this criminal element from our movement”

Well yeah, I could go along with that, actually.





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RE: not official actions by the Occupy St. Louis movement. - 3/22/2012 9:51:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Would it, or should it make a difference if it were occupy supporters or neo-cons out to discredit the movement? No... the movement should want the perpetrators caught no matter who did it in their name.

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RE: not official actions by the Occupy St. Louis movement. - 3/22/2012 10:49:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fine Butch, I guess when you and all the neocons and teabaggers start circulating the petition to hang cheney and bush et al, for treason, I will sign it, but I am not looking to be first ... but you got my cmail and can leave me the site where I should sign.

If you want to circulate a petition that says we want all graffiti artists put in jail, for vandalism,  I will sign that one after. 

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RE: not official actions by the Occupy St. Louis movement. - 3/22/2012 11:06:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		lol...I am not a fan of Bush that's for sure...where do i sign. And as a side note...Yes I'd like to see ALL graffiti "artists" in jail...there is nothing that degrades a City more then its graffiti.

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