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foxnewser turns housing/economic crisis into broad smea... - 3/19/2012 6:24:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Fox News’ Dana Perino Says Adult Children Are ‘Spoiled’ And ‘Lazy’, That’s Why They Live At Home"




What a dunce! We can call the talking blond a dunce,can we?

There has indeed been a huge movement of kids back home.Whole families,moms w/ kids,sons w/ kids,and singles moving in with the parents,the millions of unemployed and many of those that lost there homes after '08'.

I was listening to NPR doing a story on this situation, not only has the '08' crash forced kids to move back home..it also forced many folks out of retirement or pushed back their retirements indefinately,has depleated family savings from parents trying to help their children,and so on.

But here we have the con POV......shaming these Americans.....shaming them really.....


Is this just more meaness and insults from elitists or more denial of the hardships the she and bush put America through?


"So you remember how a small group of oligarchs, banksters, and politicians collectively allowed their blind avarice and risky financial measures (or “casino capitalism”) to bring the entire world’s economy to its very knees, begging for sweeping bailouts from the unbeknownst unwashed masses in order to return to the very same greedy and risky ways that caused the economic abortion in the first place? And certainly you remember (it’s still going on) how these same monied interests bought their own personal teabagger Republicans to make sure the all the blame went towards all those ever-so greedy school teachers, firemen, students, and low to middle-income people,–all of whom were the ones who were forced with layoffs, pay cuts, and significant austerity measures? And, in the midst of all this insane and uncaring bickering were the nation’s twenty-somethings–forced with tuition hikes during a recession and a total dearth of financial opportunity in the job market, eventually succumbed to the ultimate humiliation of moving back in with their parents. Well, guess what: Fox News’ Dana Perino thinks you’re all a bunch of lazy, spoiled brats.

After making a fairly decent living being a professional sycophant and equivocator as Press Secretary to the Bush Administration (think a slightly smarter and less folksy version of Sarah Palin), Dana Perino did what every soulless person with little wit and even littler morals would do: she joined Fox News as a commentator."

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/18/fox-news-dana-perino-says-adult-children-are-spoiled-and-lazy-thats-why-they-live-at-home/

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RE: foxnewser turns housing/economic crisis into broad ... - 3/19/2012 6:43:23 AM   
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Okay... I think as an Adult.... Child...? I may have some perspective.

I lived in Massillon, Ohio for three years. In 06' to 08' I worked at several businesses that folded immediately... one right after another. Kind of like a rapid fire... sorry we are going out of business.

One of them... a Quiznos.. simply vanished without telling a soul. One day I stood outside of the locked doors and thought something weird was going on. all of the chairs were hiked up and moved to the side.

The next they were gone.

After that day I receive a call from the manager telling me that things are not so good for the owners and they went belly up simply because there was an increase in the minimum wage by five cents.

I kind of don't believe that... but pretty sad if that is the case.

In between all of those times I had worked at MANPOWER at various factories for temp work and was homeless a few times in between being able to afford paying for rent, food, and cool things like paying my own way.

'I did it Myyyy... way...' is but a dream and the paddles have been stripped down for toothpicks.

Lazy? read from a teleprompter much Miss Commentator.

I have more brain cells in my stem than I know what to do with yet I am overqualified to flip burgers... so that is why I self-employed my... self... to work on solutions to these ridiculously stupid problems.

See.... I just did her job! Hire me Fox. Put up or shut up.

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RE: foxnewser turns housing/economic crisis into broad ... - 3/19/2012 6:43:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Certain cultures within the US, mostly Hispanic, tend to have a multi-generational extended family all living in the same house. Guess what happens when Abuela and Abuelo (grandma and grandpa) get old and feeble? They do NOT get put into a nursing home. The family cares for them right at home as long as humanly possible.

I guess FOX is against this lifestyle?

I thought they were for "Family Values"?

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RE: foxnewser turns housing/economic crisis into broad ... - 3/19/2012 7:02:11 AM   
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Dana Perino and other Faux News commentators = opinion

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RE: foxnewser turns housing/economic crisis into broad ... - 3/19/2012 7:19:56 AM   
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I receive a call from the manager telling me that things are not so good for the owners and they went belly up simply because there was an increase in the minimum wage by five cents.

I kind of don't believe that... but pretty sad if that is the case.



Back when the dot-com boom was crumbling, I worked for a high tech company. It was pretty clear that the companies were going to have to lay off due to economic conditions. Then 9/11 hit, and the companies were able to lay off and claim it was due to 9/11.

That's a sure sign of a loser - the ability to blame your own failures on external events, especially ridiculously tiny ones.


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RE: foxnewser turns housing/economic crisis into broad ... - 3/19/2012 7:39:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		The RNC/SBC axis is kind of a D/s relationship, they're mostly talking about their own base here, getting them to vote republican out of shame - same thing when it comes to taxes, Red states receiving disproportionate shares of tax revenues (which they need to combat poverty, poor education and health care), but who consistent vote against their own interests for religious reasons.

And no, there's nothing wrong with living at at home if you're contributing to household expenses, historically, the nuclear family is more of an anomaly, the extended family is far more common.

The wealth gap is both cause and problem here: educated, upper crusty party leaders with few kids living in big houses, and their impoverished voter base, crowded into substandard housing.

It's stealth carpetbagging, only telling them what they want to hear - the republican leadership are mostly faux Southerners: Bush spent was raised in the East Coast Ivy league, Gingrich is a transplant, Santorum is form PA, Mitt Romney from Detroit - Clinton-Gore, genuine Southern Baptists, albeit liberal, carried a number of Southern States (it's the economy stupid), But Bush raised millennial expectations to such a fever pitch, it's gonna take some doing to repeat that.

i.e., practical economic issues have less appeal to the far right when they're convinced we're on the eve of Armageddon - anybody see Wife Swap a couple days a ago?

The good news is that the center by contrast, even the churchgoing center, puts economic issues ahead of religious ones., they need jobs, and the pubs, in the last Three administrations proved themselves better at cutting variable costs and increasing corporate profits through job destruction than job creation, on which their records are dismal - it's just not a consideration when they represent Banks, Financial and corporate interests to whom a profit is a profit, and have in the past done nothing but complain how spoiled American workers are, opposed to unions, minimum wage, healthcare, affordable childcare, anything that promotes economic growth before profit taking.

It's unprecedented really - not even in the Civil War was a religious gulf this wide and deep, or so one sided - it's caused economic issues to fade into the background in the public discourse, but it's good to remember that 2/3rd's of the country still prefers jobs over a good fiery sermon.

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RE: foxnewser turns housing/economic crisis into broad ... - 3/19/2012 7:45:09 AM   
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Back when the dot-com boom was crumbling, I worked for a high tech company. It was pretty clear that the companies were going to have to lay off due to economic conditions. Then 9/11 hit, and the companies were able to lay off and claim it was due to 9/11.

That's a sure sign of a loser - the ability to blame your own failures on external events, especially ridiculously tiny ones.



9/11 may have been a "tiny event" out there in the mountains but it devastated lives, here. I'm sure you didn't mean that to sound quite so slighting?



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RE: foxnewser turns housing/economic crisis into broad ... - 3/19/2012 7:56:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
Back when the dot-com boom was crumbling, I worked for a high tech company. It was pretty clear that the companies were going to have to lay off due to economic conditions. Then 9/11 hit, and the companies were able to lay off and claim it was due to 9/11.

That's a sure sign of a loser - the ability to blame your own failures on external events, especially ridiculously tiny ones.



9/11 may have been a "tiny event" out there in the mountains but it devastated lives, here. I'm sure you didn't mean that to sound quite so slighting?

Peace and comfort,

Michael


I kinda misquoted myself.

1. A five cents an hour hike is the tiny event I alluded to.
2. 9/11 was devastating to families. But the economic effect was nowhere near as great as advertised. My point is that companies had made their minds up to lay off, then blamed it on 9/11.

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RE: foxnewser turns housing/economic crisis into broad ... - 3/19/2012 8:13:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		The economic policies of the right are all about cutting variable costs (labor), and increasing profit margins (by outsourcing and increasing depletion rates of primitive capital), good for producers and investors, who can increase profits by laying people off. Social policy is that this is "gods will", dominion.

The economic social and policies of the left create jobs almost axiomatically - research, tech, both high and midtech, alternative energy, even organic farming (midtech), and to some extent, aesthetics, are all more labor intensive, and infrastructure investments, including education and healthcare lay the foundations for more economic growth and expansion by adding value, craftsmanship, rather than increasing depletion rates of primitive capital - stewardship.

"Labor intensive" is a dirty word on the right, they only see that as higher variable costs, numbers in a column.

If there is a weakness of the left, it's probably that they often place too much emphasis on gentrification (aesthetics), which was a contributing factor in the housing bubble, and helped transmorgify it from a housing issue into an investment bubble - i.e., increasing the value of homes for investment purposes (standard of living) rather than looking at affordability and overall quality of life issues, the Popsicle index, etc.

Tends to be more affordable housing (but fewer jobs) in Red areas, while the Blue demographic areas are pricing themselves out of the electoral demographics, and driving core service workers (healthcare, police, firemen, etc.), out of the neighborhood, creating transportation issues.

But the upshot is, w/respect to the OP, if young adults are moving back home when there's a glut on the housing market - it sort of indicates that there was not much emphasis placed on housing affordability in all that, and entry level workers, along with most retirees, are a perpetual underclass.

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RE: foxnewser turns housing/economic crisis into broad ... - 3/19/2012 8:30:56 AM   
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Most of the economic and social analysis that I've read on this topic suggest that the economic pressures combined with increased population will result in more adults living in extended family situations going forward. This is a trend that is not likely to go away unless something dramatic happens to curb population growth. If you look at what happens in areas of the world with a high population density, extended family living under one roof has long been in place for both social, but also economic reasons.

With that said, with the current situation in the U.S. (where although there is job pressure, a lot of young people still are finding jobs and are employed), one does have to look at individual situations to determine whether or not there is economic necessity, or whether some young person is simply taking advantage of a good situation. I don't think we can make blanket statements one way or the other about all young people living at home. But surely some of these young adults are, in fact, taking advantage of their parents. I just think it would be a mistake to consider them representative of the entire young adult population that continues to live at home.

Regardless, if Europe and Asia are to be taken as examples, then this trend will continue. I don't think that the norm that existed previously in the U.S. (young adults always moving out into their own homes) will be sustainable for every family going forward. I think you will see more alternative arrangements being made depending on circumstances.

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RE: foxnewser turns housing/economic crisis into broad ... - 3/21/2012 7:32:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Personally I don`t think it`s anyone`s business who`s living with who.....

I have friends who are welcomed at home by parents.....and live there out of choice.

And I moved my parents in with me when their health went south.....there wasn`t much choice in the matter...none.

Even had a dip-shit tell me she didn`t want to date someone who lived with his mom......even though she was living at my house.

That`s the image this talking blond was trying to conjure up.....losers who were to lazy or to sheepish to live on their own......

The kicker is worked for the admin. that put everyone in this fucked up position.....talk about cruel and mean rapped in clueless and elitist.

Something tells me this asshole, who worked for bush, isn`t sweating her rent.


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RE: foxnewser turns housing/economic crisis into broad ... - 3/21/2012 7:44:43 AM   
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RE: foxnewser turns housing/economic crisis into broad ... - 3/21/2012 8:43:25 AM   
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She just wasn`t dissing the press......she was dissing all of America....

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RE: foxnewser turns housing/economic crisis into broad ... - 3/21/2012 8:58:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I dare say the moving back with mom and dad is not only an American phenomenon.. it has, imo, happened in many countries that are in recession..

I dont think multi-generations living under the same roof is neccesarily bad.. it works really well for some such as asians, east indians, etc where all contribute and the family gets richer.. I sold one of my previous homes to an Asian family, a whole bunch came to view the house.. then they put their pooled savings and all became joint owners, all their names on the offer to purchase.. The older generation works also, they take care of the kids, cook, do odd jobs like picking berries in the farms, etc.. That is how they get rich.. I admire that they are able to do that.. And as Hilly says.. the older members are taken care of when they need it.. not dumped into a seniors warehouse and forgotten..

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RE: foxnewser turns housing/economic crisis into broad ... - 3/21/2012 11:59:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		No doubt is happens when there`s down-turns....everywhere in the world.And will happen again.

This time aroung though,the phenomenon is much worse because the down-turn was much worse.Not since the great depression have so many lives been so up-turned.

My question is....why are rightists elitists(Perino isn`t the only one)dissing the victims and trying to shame them?

What`s in it for them?

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RE: foxnewser turns housing/economic crisis into broad ... - 3/21/2012 12:20:06 PM   
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