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dcnovice -> Mormons Baptized Slain Reporter Daniel Pearl (3/5/2012 7:00:21 PM)

This is a few days old, but I only just saw it and don't recall our discussing it.

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Members of the Mormon Church last year posthumously baptized Daniel Pearl, the Wall Street Journal reporter who was captured and killed by terrorists in Pakistan shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks, according to records uncovered by a researcher in Utah.

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Pearl’s parents, Judea and Ruth, said it was “disturbing news” to learn that Mormons had baptized their son, in a rite that they understand was meant to offer him salvation.

“To them we say: We appreciate your good intentions but rest assured that Danny’s soul was redeemed through the life that he lived and the values that he upheld,” Judea and Ruth Pearl said in an email. “He lived as a proud Jew, died as a proud Jew and is currently facing his creator as a Jew, blessed, accepted and redeemed. For the record, let it be clear: Danny did not choose to be baptized, nor did his family consent to this un-called-for ritual.”


Complete Story: Boston Globe


Thoughts?






LanceHughes -> RE: Mormons Baptized Slain Reporter Daniel Pearl (3/5/2012 7:03:46 PM)

It's my understanding that the one baptized need be dead for 70 years before such is performed.  I'm questioning the veracity / truth of the original paragraph. BRB

ETA: Well, seems the baptisim was done w/o permission of Mormon church.  The reason for Mormon emphasis on geneology is becuase baptisims are for relatives.

Mormon leaders are correct when they say "Hard to police 14 milion members."

What do I really think?  I really think this string is going to quickly degenerate into a "Does God exist?" debate.

What I think is that the baptisim has little bearing on anything.  I'm sorry that the parents are offended.  My "take" on an after-life is simply this:  Imagine a disk of music that has been broken into many pieces.  Where did the music "go"?  It didn't "go" anywherre.  There is no longer physical support for the music.




dcnovice -> RE: Mormons Baptized Slain Reporter Daniel Pearl (3/5/2012 7:09:41 PM)

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It's my understanding that the one baptized need be dead for 70 years before such is performed.  I'm questioning the veracity / truth of the original paragraph.


From the LA Times:

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In 2009, the church acknowledged that it had baptized President Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, after her death. And just this month, officials were forced to apologize after they learned that the parents of the late Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal had been posthumously baptized. They also admitted that three dead relatives of Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel were almost baptized, as well.


Dunham died in 1995.

ETA: The story was widely reported, though it's possible everyone got it wrong, particularly if they were all drawing on the same source. I haven't seen a denial from the Mormons, for what that's worth.




DarkSteven -> RE: Mormons Baptized Slain Reporter Daniel Pearl (3/5/2012 7:14:36 PM)

I had thought that the Mormons only baptized the dead when a family member requests (and pays for) it.




LanceHughes -> RE: Mormons Baptized Slain Reporter Daniel Pearl (3/5/2012 7:20:15 PM)

I added so much, I'll quote myself.......

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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

It's my understanding that the one baptized need be dead for 70 years before such is performed.  I'm questioning the veracity / truth of the original paragraph. BRB

ETA: Well, seems the baptisim was done w/o permission of Mormon church.  The reason for Mormon emphasis on geneology is becuase baptisims are for relatives.

Mormon leaders are correct when they say "Hard to police 14 milion members."

What do I really think?  I really think this string is going to quickly degenerate into a "Does God exist?" debate.

What I think is that the baptisim has little bearing on anything.  I'm sorry that the parents are offended.  My "take" on an after-life is simply this:  Imagine a disk of music that has been broken into many pieces.  Where did the music "go"?  It didn't "go" anywherre.  There is no longer physical support for the music.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Mormons Baptized Slain Reporter Daniel Pearl (3/5/2012 7:31:06 PM)

FR

The Mormons believe people who have died can be baptized by proxy, thus allowing them the opportunity to become Mormons after their death. They do it to all non-Mormons who have died.

I believe this has been discussed before. Personally, I find it ludicrous, but if it keeps the Mormons from creating other mischief, then maybe it's is a good thing. Certainly as a non-Mormon, I'm not going to lose any sleep over the fact that, I too, will be baptized Mormon after my death by the Mormon church. How really generous of them [&:]




SternSkipper -> RE: Mormons Baptized Slain Reporter Daniel Pearl (3/5/2012 9:32:00 PM)

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I had thought that the Mormons only baptized the dead when a family member requests (and pays for) it.


No, for the past decade or so there have been scattered instances of them doing it (apparently) just to get some publicity. To be perfectly honest, I think it's about the weirdest thing I have ever seen a 'church' do.
I had a friend named Danny who was on the 911 flight Mohamed Atta was on. a few years ago his wife Anne got a letter from the Mormon Church indicating they would like to do that "for the family". She had the family attorney respond.And apparently nothing happened.




kalikshama -> RE: Mormons Baptized Slain Reporter Daniel Pearl (3/6/2012 5:35:48 AM)

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Helen Radkey, an excommunicated Mormon who combs through the church’s archives, said that records indicate Pearl, who was Jewish, was baptized by proxy on June 1, 2011 at a Mormon temple in Twin Falls, Idaho.


Whenever I read stories like this I wonder why the baptizers cannot grasp how this hurts Mitt Romney's chances of becoming President. Why couldn't they just put their "impulses towards generosity" on hold for a few years?

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Terryl L. Givens, a scholar of Mormonism at the University of Richmond, said the tradition of performing baptisms for the dead springs from an impulse toward generosity and “the universality of salvation,” the notion that “everybody can be saved.” Church theology teaches that the baptized can choose in the afterlife whether to accept salvation and join the church as Mormons.




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