Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh

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kalikshama -> Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:07:10 AM)
Rush Limbaugh has crossed the line: He is attacking a young woman who testified before Congress on birth control as a medical necessity. He has been calling her a slut, among other terrible names. Yesterday he offered to buy her and her friends aspirin to put between their knees—another form of name-calling. And then he said that if Sandra Fluke wants birth control coverage, he should get something for it—she should have to post videos of herself having sex. This is unacceptable. ProFlowers is a major advertiser for Rush’s show and they are a company that caters mostly to women. That’s why we’re joining forces with RH Reality Check to call on ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush right away. They’re already feeling the pressure on this, so if enough of us sign we can push them over the edge. Our message to ProFlowers: Hateful and abusive language towards women is completely unacceptable. Rush Limbaugh has really crossed the line this time and you need to stop advertising on his show immediately. Sign the petition: http://act.weareultraviolet.org/sign/proflowersrush/?akid=39.177944.VcjiXr&rd=1&t=1

kalikshama -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:08:49 AM)
Georgetown University Law Student Sandra Fluke testified in an unofficial House hearing last week that the cost of contraception created a significant financial burden — up to $3,000 over the course of law school — that prohibited one of her fellow students from obtaining hormonal contraception. Because of a medical issue, not having access to birth control ultimately resulted in her losing an ovary. Some conservatives had a word for that condition: slut. Fluke was specifically referring to hormonal contraception to treat medical needs beyond pregnancy prevention, but this week, conservatives interpreted Fluke’s discussion of a financial burden as an opening to judge young women’s sex lives. Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh cited the fact that women needed contraception coverage to mean that they are “sluts” or “prostitutes” (via Media Matters): http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/fox-and-limbaugh-miss-the-point-on-birth-control-costs.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

servantforuse -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:11:59 AM)
I think it would be a good time to send some flowers to my Mom in Florida.

kalikshama -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:13:24 AM)
http://www.ftd.com/

servantforuse -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:23:59 AM)
Thanks for the link, but I'll be using ProFlowers.

kalikshama -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:31:20 AM)
Rush Limbaugh's attack on Sandra Fluke was hate speech Radio host Rush Limbaugh is so keen on pornography, he’s suggested an entirely new genre of it. In an attack against the Georgetown University law student, Sandra Fluke, who House Republicans wouldn’t let testify at a hearing on insurance coverage for contraception, Limbaugh shared his ideas about what should happen to women who dare disagree with him on women’s health. He said, “So Miss Fluke, and the rest of you feminazis, here’s the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it. We want you post the videos online so we can all watch.” He also called Fluke a “slut” and a prostitute after she argued that birth control should be covered by health insurance at religious institutions. ...What Limbaugh did - and does frequently - is “slut-shaming” and it’s no less hateful and derogatory than racial slurs. Any woman who dares admit that she is anything other than a virginal “Madonna” is rebuked and intimidated into silence and shame. And this tactic is profoundly dangerous in this context of helping to insure women’s health. “She’s having so much sex she can’t afford the contraception,” Limbaugh said of Fluke. Let us ignore for the moment that Fluke was testifying about a friend who is too afraid to come out publicly and announce her need for birth control for a medical reason, and so spends $1,000 a year on medicines that are free or nearly so on insurance plans that don’t adhere to Catholic doctrine. This is a textbook attack on a woman for being female and for speaking up. Limbaugh, who invented the reprehensible slur “feminazi,” hurls that epithet at any woman who dares believe that insurance should pay for drugs her doctors deems necessary to the protection of her health. That includes women who are Jewish. Limbaugh feels it’s appropriate to liken those women to the terrorists and torturers who would have exterminated them. This is hate speech. There is no excuse for it. And it must be called out at the moment it is uttered. Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) silenced women’s voices by holding an all-male hearing on drugs that not a single participant would have cause to use. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-D.C.) could hold alternate hearings. Limbaugh’s tactic of trying to silence women’s voices by making them afraid of the reprisals that will come if they express themselves is far more damaging than holding one meeting and not letting one woman speak. He wants women to be too afraid to say anything at all. His language crossed into the realm of sexual harassment when he demanded that women objectify themselves and submit their private sexual activities to him and the world to watch. Fluke was gentle in calling such language “beyond the acceptable bounds of civil discourse.” All because a woman dares to hold an opinion.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:34:00 AM)
I'm old enough to remember adults debating birth control pills and using that aspirin line. I always though it was funny but this appears to be a different situation. If Mr. Limbaugh knew that this girl was talking about BC pills as a treatment for something else (inordinate amounts of blood loss, during the menstruation cycle) then he was way out of line. if he didn't, he was doing what he gets paid to do (be controversial > increase ratings > make more advertising money for his bosses > justify his huge contract). It's no different than some of the ridiculous crap that Mr. Stern used to spew, when he used to still be somewhat relevent. I view the two as holding the same kind of job - shock jock. Peace and comfort, Michael

servantforuse -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:34:48 AM)
Whu should taxpayers be forced to pay for hers, or anyones contraceptives ?

LaTigresse -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:36:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse Whu should taxpayers be forced to pay for hers, or anyones contraceptives ? Why should taxpayers, me, be forced to pay for a smoker's health care when their issues are caused by smoking? Why should taxpayers, me, be forced to pay for a person's health problems caused by eating poorly, over eating, not exercising? Rush Limbaugh is a fucktard with verbal diarrhea. Anyone that would support that shit is also a fucktard of the lowest order.

farglebargle -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:36:44 AM)
I think it's irrelevant what justification Rush Limbaugh -- OR ANYONE -- offers for their perverted, disgusting fetishization of the private medical relationships between a patient and their doctor and insurer. To hear someone discuss what they think of another's most intimate relationships. It's the same intrusive voyeuristic creepiness as if they're admitting that watching children bathe gets them aroused.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:37:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse Whu should taxpayers be forced to pay for hers, or anyones contraceptives ? I don't think the hearing was about tax payers paying for them, exactly. I think it was about including them in insurance offered by employers. If she's not using them as contraceptives but needs them to stem the huge amount of blood lost, each month, she might actually be saving her boss/the insurance company some money because enemia could result if the pills are not used therapeutically. Peace and comfort, Michael

kalikshama -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:39:20 AM)
Most of Obama's "Controversial" Birth Control Rule Was Law During Bush Years ...In December 2000, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ruled that companies that provided prescription drugs to their employees but didn't provide birth control were in violation of Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prevents discrimination on the basis of sex. That opinion, which the George W. Bush administration did nothing to alter or withdraw when it took office the next month, is still in effect today—and because it relies on Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, it applies to all employers with 15 or more employees. Employers that don't offer prescription coverage or don't offer insurance at all are exempt, because they treat men and women equally—but under the EEOC's interpretation of the law, you can't offer other preventative care coverage without offering birth control coverage, too. "It was, we thought at the time, a fairly straightforward application of Title VII principles," a top former EEOC official who was involved in the decision told Mother Jones. "All of these plans covered Viagra immediately, without thinking, and they were still declining to cover prescription contraceptives. It's a little bit jaw-dropping to see what is going on now…There was some press at the time but we issued guidances that were far, far more controversial."

farglebargle -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:39:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse Whu should taxpayers be forced to pay for hers, or anyones contraceptives ? It's intellectually dishonest to misrepresent an INSURANCE BENEFIT paid for by the INSURED as something which anyone but the insured is paying for. It's DISGUSTING that anyone would think they have any place being perverted voyeurs spying on what happens in a doctor's office or on HIPPA protected paperwork. Regardless of how sick someone's kinks are... If they're on the level of this kind of degenerate abuse and when we're taking about young girls and their doctors, well, that's child sexual exploitation. Not something anyone can support.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:41:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle I think it's irrelevant what justification Rush Limbaugh -- OR ANYONE -- offers for their perverted, disgusting fetishization of the private medical relationships between a patient and their doctor and insurer. To hear someone discuss what they think of another's most intimate relationships. It's the same intrusive voyeuristic creepiness as if they're admitting that watching children bathe gets them aroused. I think your "privacy" defense went out the window when the issue was brought up in front of a congressional panel (and probably broadcast on CSPAN?). One can't go out in public, talk about something, and then claim a right to privacy when they made it public. Like it or not, the story being told was a form of sensationalizing it. It was being used to "tug at the heart strings" and people have a right to comment on public knowledge. Peace and comfort, Michael

LaTigresse -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:44:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Most of Obama's "Controversial" Birth Control Rule Was Law During Bush Years ...In December 2000, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ruled that companies that provided prescription drugs to their employees but didn't provide birth control were in violation of Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prevents discrimination on the basis of sex. That opinion, which the George W. Bush administration did nothing to alter or withdraw when it took office the next month, is still in effect today—and because it relies on Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, it applies to all employers with 15 or more employees. Employers that don't offer prescription coverage or don't offer insurance at all are exempt, because they treat men and women equally—but under the EEOC's interpretation of the law, you can't offer other preventative care coverage without offering birth control coverage, too. "It was, we thought at the time, a fairly straightforward application of Title VII principles," a top former EEOC official who was involved in the decision told Mother Jones. "All of these plans covered Viagra immediately, without thinking, and they were still declining to cover prescription contraceptives. It's a little bit jaw-dropping to see what is going on now…There was some press at the time but we issued guidances that were far, far more controversial." It's the whole male centric model, of the right, in this country.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:44:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse Whu should taxpayers be forced to pay for hers, or anyones contraceptives ? They aren't. The people who pay insurance premiums are.

kalikshama -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:44:49 AM)
quote: I don't think the hearing was about tax payers paying for them, exactly. I think it was about including them in insurance offered by employers. Correct quote: If she's not using them as contraceptives but needs them to stem the huge amount of blood lost, each month, she might actually be saving her boss/the insurance company some money because enemia could result if the pills are not used therapeutically. Off-Label Uses of the Birth Control Pill On occasion, your healthcare provider may recommend birth control pills for something other than the approved uses listed above. This is called an "off-label" use. At this time, off-label use of birth control pills include treatment of the following conditions: * Acne (for birth control pills that are not approved for this use) * Heavy menstrual bleeding * Painful menstrual periods * Irregular menstrual periods * Endometriosis * Premenstrual dysphoric disorder (for birth control pills that are not approved for this reason) * Polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS) * Perimenopause * Hirsutism (undesired body or facial hair growth).

farglebargle -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:45:52 AM)
I'm not seeing "inquiries into reproductive health" in the Constitution, so thank you for pointing out that Congress' inquiry itself is offensive to everyone who isn't a degenerate pervert AND doubly so to those who are strict Constitutionalists.

farglebargle -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:48:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse Whu should taxpayers be forced to pay for hers, or anyones contraceptives ? I don't think the hearing was about tax payers paying for them, exactly. I think it was about including them in insurance offered by employers. If she's not using them as contraceptives but needs them to stem the huge amount of blood lost, each month, she might actually be saving her boss/the insurance company some money because enemia could result if the pills are not used therapeutically. Peace and comfort, Michael INSURANCE IS NOT 'OFFERED BY EMPLOYERS' In the United States, all an employer does is provide access to GROUP HEALTH INSURANCE RATES. Pay close attention. THE CONTRACT IS BETWEEN THE INSURED ( patient ) AND THE INSURANCE COMPANY. Aside from passing pre-tax deductions along, THE EMPLOYER HAS NO ROLE, RIGHTS, OR RESPONSIBILITIES IN THE PRIVATE CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN AN INSURER AND INSURED. I don't know what kind of America Haters would say any different. Contract Rights are the foundation of this great nation, and to suggest that some disinterested third party has any say in the matter is -- well -- damned UnAmerican.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Petition - Tell ProFlowers to cut ties with Rush Limbaugh (3/2/2012 10:49:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle I'm not seeing "inquiries into reproductive health" in the Constitution, so thank you for pointing out that Congress' inquiry itself is offensive to everyone who isn't a degenerate pervert AND doubly so to those who are strict Constitutionalists. So ... you're claiming congress compelled her testimony or she freely offered to discuss these topics? If the former, then you're right. It's awful but, I'm guessing that the testimony was voluntary so, I cannot agree that this person (or you, on their behalf) has a "privacy" leg to stand on. Peace and comfort, Michael

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