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House passes bill banning protests... - 2/28/2012 5:03:45 PM

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The US House of Representatives voted 388-to-3 in favor of H.R. 347 late Monday, a bill which is being dubbed the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011. In the bill, Congress officially makes it illegal to trespass on the grounds of the White House, which, on the surface, seems not just harmless and necessary, but somewhat shocking that such a rule isn’t already on the books. The wording in the bill, however, extends to allow the government to go after much more than tourists that transverse the wrought iron White House fence. Under the act, the government is also given the power to bring charges against Americans engaged in political protest anywhere in the country.

The new legislation allows prosecutors to charge anyone who enters a building without permission or with the intent to disrupt a government function with a federal offense if Secret Service is on the scene, but the law stretches to include not just the president’s palatial Pennsylvania Avenue home. Under the law, any building or grounds where the president is visiting — even temporarily — is covered, as is any building or grounds “restricted in conjunction with an event designated as a special event of national significance."

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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/28/2012 5:10:16 PM

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Yipes, first the patriot act, now this?
Who was it who said "those who will trade their freedom for security deserve neither"?

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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/28/2012 5:12:37 PM

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Who was it who said "those who will trade their freedom for security deserve neither"?

Benjamin Franklin.

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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/28/2012 5:20:04 PM

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If you look at everything that has happened over the last 12+ years from a military perspective you could assume that the U.S. government has unofficially declared war on the American people.

Our current economy is like economic sanctions we put on other countries. Thereby weakening the financial strength and resolve.
Having the TSA and DHS in place is the beginning of restricting travel.
SOPA/PIPA cranks down on freedom of speech and weakens communications
The Patriot Act ended our privacy.
The Defense Authorization Act eliminates our right to a free trial.
Leiberman is also trying to pass a bill that would strip an American of citizenship if the government deemed them a threat, with very vague wording on what a threat is.

If you look back in history at what Germany did to Russia...it was much the same, block trade routes, starve them locked in their own homes.

It very well could be we are on the verge of a true martial law situation.

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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/28/2012 5:22:30 PM

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Yeah? And you think this will stop what?
It'll be nice to be charged with something a little more descriptive than "trespassing" and "unpermitted camping".

BTW - It's not a free ride through the Senate.
Not as of today anyway.

And WHERE Pray Tell was Ron Paul's PRESS CONFERENCE OUTSIDE THE CAPITAL... Anybody even check to see if the sterile CooKoo was in DC when this was going down?

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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/28/2012 6:15:30 PM

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yeah,.. the "Land of the Free" has not been free for some time now.. its a Police State..

only rich people will have the money to buy their freedom & escape..if they are lucky...

Unless the govt uses forfeiture laws to strip people of money and assets even if not charged with a crime so they cant even hire a lawyer to defend themselves..

and now armed IRS agents are hunting Americans in other countries.. You cant even move out of the US without the US still having their claws into you..

I would not want my children born into perpetual American servitude..

And there will be more laws and more laws restricting you more and more.. but sheeple are sheeple and they cry that "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear"..

oh yeah,.. and Obama wants to throw people in jail that the govt thinks might do something wrong.. his Precrime "Prolonged Detention"..

Its not my country,.. I suppose I shouldnt care what Americans do in their country.. but that dark ooze is slowly spreading around the world.. and I dont like that..

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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/28/2012 6:28:28 PM

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Yipes, first the patriot act, now this?
Who was it who said "those who will trade their freedom for security deserve neither"?

“Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security”

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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/28/2012 7:14:21 PM

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BTW - It's not a free ride through the Senate.
Not as of today anyway.

No, it went through the Senate a couple weeks back.

Are you getting your info from the same source Owner59 had for his fakegate thread, or do you just make shit up?

Bill Summary & Status 112th Congress (2011 - 2012) H.R.347All Information

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Passed Senate with an amendment by Unanimous Consent. (consideration: CR S358; text as passed Senate: CR S358)

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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/28/2012 7:47:54 PM

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Some things just amuse the hell out of me on a thread like this, other things, not so much. That this computer is allergic to Adobe, so I can't get the actual text of the bill off the Library of Congress site is surefire to annoy, and having the initial data presented off a breathless, no-name site of unknown credibility just asks for the demagoguery of the dumbasses to descend.

The official summary says this (my bold):

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Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011 - Amends the federal criminal code to revise the prohibition against entering restricted federal buildings or grounds to impose criminal penalties on anyone who knowingly enters any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority. Defines "restricted buildings or grounds" as a posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area of: (1) the White House or its grounds or the Vice President's official residence or its grounds, (2) a building or grounds where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting, or (3) a building or grounds so restricted due to a special event of national significance.

Without being able to read the text, I see where this makes it a crime to sneak in, not where it becomes a crime buy a ticket, to make your stink.

I'm about as big a fan of free speech as you are likely to find, but I also rank the physical protection of the President as a solid gray area of it.

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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/28/2012 7:48:39 PM

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And just so it's "mystery" is dissipated before the local brain trust turns it into more than a tidbit some other Obama hater got to before them and didn't expand upon enough... Here's the text of the bill in it's entirety:

Amends the federal criminal code to revise the prohibition against entering restricted federal buildings or grounds to impose criminal penalties on anyone who knowingly enters any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority. Defines "restricted buildings or grounds" as a posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area of: (1) the White House or its grounds or the Vice President's official residence or its grounds, (2) a building or grounds where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting, or (3) a building or grounds so restricted due to a special event of national significance.

Boy ... What a fucking smoking gun this one is... If you jump the rail when the President is at a function, you get arrested? You think that somehow you weren't before this? The difference is the Secret Service can now charge you with something. This has been a huge complaint within the agency for decades.
So basically, if a protester wants to take it to the next level... they have prior knowledge what they're facing.

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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/28/2012 7:51:57 PM

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Wouldn't want you to miss the question, Sternskipper.

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BTW - It's not a free ride through the Senate. Not as of today anyway.

No, it went through the Senate a couple weeks back.

Are you getting your info from the same source Owner59 had for his fakegate thread, or do you just make shit up?

Bill Summary & Status 112th Congress (2011 - 2012) H.R.347All Information

My understanding of the law is that it's just another minor affront.
What I'd like to know is why this thing disappeared back in the fall and came back scaring the pants off the Ron Paul people...
Whatever the weenie thinks this means is his (or your mutual, depending on the straw) private weirdness. I am good with the fact that it's not the law the Lunatics are making it out to be.

Care to try again? The OP link said it had passed the Senate on Feb. 6 as well as the Library of Congress site.

You also might want to learn the difference between the text, and the summary. That can matter quite a bit.

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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/28/2012 8:17:26 PM

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I can't imagine that the people's right to peaceable assembly can be overturned that easily and with such a decisive vote.

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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/28/2012 8:25:10 PM

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I can't imagine that the people's right to peaceable assembly can be overturned that easily and with such a decisive vote.

Steven, we apparently missed the cuckoo-ese hidden language where this wasn't just about securing the safety of the president with an arrestable offense. Only 'special' people can read those parts.

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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/28/2012 8:33:39 PM

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I can't imagine that the people's right to peaceable assembly can be overturned that easily and with such a decisive vote.

Steven, we apparently missed the cuckoo-ese hidden language where this wasn't just about securing the safety of the president with an arrestable offense. Only 'special' people can read those parts.

Actually there is a special word that the Illuminati have trained most people from birth to instictively avoid. By putting that word on either side of a phrase, you can make a sentence effectively invisible as people's eyes avoid the special word.
But if you put on glasses, then wrap duct tape around the sides, and then put a light blue filter, you can see the word. I will type it at the bottom of this post. If you still can't see it you got the wrong color filter.
Anyway, I bet that is what they did with the dangerous language. They just have to take out the special word, and the remaining text will become visible, and be clearly passed law.
Thank goodness some folks have those special glasses...

Oh yeah, the word is:

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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/28/2012 9:32:26 PM

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Actually there is a special word that the Illuminati have trained most people from birth to instictively avoid. By putting that word on either side of a phrase, you can make a sentence effectively invisible as people's eyes avoid the special word.

Lemme guess... You're attending classes at Evergreen in Eugene, Aren't you? Please give Kenn Babbs my warmest regards. He's a terrific novelist and one hell of a nice guy.
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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/28/2012 9:47:55 PM

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That's an interesting shift, from where you were with your first post, Softbonds.

Anytime you want to make comparisons to the Patriot Act, do try to recall that, so far, we get it with a sunset clause.

The word you were looking for, I suspect, was "reality." The devil is in the details, and before I completely write this thing off, it would be nice to know what the thing actually says. I'll snag the wife's laptop, after she goes to bed, for a peek at that pdf file.

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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/28/2012 10:06:42 PM

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Yipes, first the patriot act, now this?
Who was it who said "those who will trade their freedom for security deserve neither"?

We reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals ~Barack Obama

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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/29/2012 7:11:57 AM

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Actually there is a special word that the Illuminati have trained most people from birth to instictively avoid. By putting that word on either side of a phrase, you can make a sentence effectively invisible as people's eyes avoid the special word.

Lemme guess... You're attending classes at Evergreen in Eugene, Aren't you? Please give Kenn Babbs my warmest regards. He's a terrific novelist and one hell of a nice guy.
If I had my fondest wish granted my friend? It would be to know the secret of how some of them EVEN CONSTRUCT SENTENCES on the fumes they're running on.

Actually I play GURPS, so I have (among other sourcebooks) the Illuminati book. Doesn't mean I believe it, but it is lots of fun...

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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/29/2012 7:18:45 AM

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Actually I play GURPS, so I have (among other sourcebooks) the Illuminati book. Doesn't mean I believe it, but it is lots of fun...

That's cool... I wasn't taking you seriously.... I still remember passing the glassed in room at IBM where the guys with the bottomless break would sit there aggressively playing magic thinking "Thank god I am addicted to nicotine".

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RE: House passes bill banning protests... - 2/29/2012 7:26:40 AM

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GURPS is an RPG, not a card game.
(Though the Illuminati supplement is spun off from a very funny card game the publisher used to do...)

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