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tazzygirl -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 12:47:47 PM)
No no no. What we looked up was the number of marijuana users. Not the number of medical marijuana users that were arrested.

thompsonx -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 12:50:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Don't tell me, tell popeye. Everybody else besides "independent" boy and the birther massive seem to have noticed that already. The only people who label themselves as independent are those republicrats and demopubs who were born without the balls that god gave a girlscout. They support the actions of this or that party but have not the balls to claim membership.

thompsonx -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 1:06:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl No no no. What we looked up was the number of marijuana users. Not the number of medical marijuana users that were arrested. You looked up the number of marijuana users and I pointed out that in the initial post the distinction between the two had not been clear. It was medical marijuana users who arrest had increased under the current administration. That data is available at the norml website.

tazzygirl -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 1:12:12 PM)
I looked. No such data was available for just medical marijuana users. A link would be appreciated.

thompsonx -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 1:20:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I looked. No such data was available for just medical marijuana users. A link would be appreciated. Is the norml website that hard to find that you need me to give you a link?

tazzygirl -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 2:44:00 PM)
No, the web site does not contain the information you are insisting it does, which you were told at the time it does not contain.

thompsonx -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 3:00:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl No, the web site does not contain the information you are insisting it does, which you were told at the time it does not contain. For a person who is known for her ability to do research you are acting unbelieveably stupid. try typing this into google. more medical marijuana patients arrested under obama than bush norml It gave me about a quarter of a million hits in less than two tenths of a second.

SternSkipper -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 3:09:54 PM)
quote: The only people who label themselves as independent are those republicrats and demopubs who were born without the balls that god gave a girlscout. I'm curious... so where's all that leave you? Not implying anything here. It's true curiosity. You seem to post as a guy right in the middle of the spectrum.

tazzygirl -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 3:23:57 PM)
Well, since you cannot provide an exact number.. which I knew you could not, your claim is baseless. Arizona law didnt pass until 2010. Voters passed medical marijuana last fall, but Arizona's Department of Health Services put the dispensary program on hold until the federal government can weigh in on the legality of Arizona's law. Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_northeast_valley/scottsdale/attorney%3A-medical-marijuana-patients-being-arrested#ixzz1lvgCGHXB If they are not getting it legally, they are breaking the law. As far as closing down dispensaries in California.... quote: Going after property owners is not a new tactic though, Hermes said. Five years ago, the Department of Justice under President George W. Bush made similar threats to about 300 Los Angeles-area landlords who were renting space to medical marijuana outlets, some of whom were eventually evicted or closed their doors voluntarily, he said. "It did have an impact. However, the federal government never acted on its threats, never prosecuted anybody, never even went to court to begin prosecutions," Hermes said. "By and large, they were empty threats, but they relied on them and the cost of postage to shut down as many facilities as they could without having to engage in criminal enforcement activity." Besides the dozen dispensaries in San Diego and the one in Marin County, at least three shops in San Francisco already have received closure notices, said Dale Gieringer, director of the California chapter of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. The San Diego medical marijuana outlets put on notice were the same 12 that city officials sued last month for operating illegally, after activists there threatened to force an election on a zoning plan adopted to regulate the city's fast-growing medical marijuana industry, City Attorney Jan Goldsmith said. A judge on Wednesday ordered nine of the targeted shops to close, while the other three shut down voluntarily, Goldsmith said. wow, 300 under Bush... but Obama is worse. Yeah, Im not seeing the numbers you claim to possess.

SternSkipper -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 3:26:36 PM)
quote: I looked. No such data was available for just medical marijuana users. A link would be appreciated. I keep wondering if there has been a perception that has emerged because in states like California, there are HUGE numbers of people who just "get something" so they can have a medical M script. And since these folks continue doing all the other shit they do like drive for instance. My neighbor Dave confided in me this New Year's eve that his brother in law was out for the july 4th week last year and started smoking weed on the front porch. The 80-something year old called the cops and complained. The cops came by, because here in mass, it's a civil offense and still has to be responded to since it can also entail disturbing the peace and disorderly conduct. So anyway, Dave said a cop arrived that we both know as a pretty reasonable guy and talked to his brother in law (BIL). His BIL told the cop he had a condition of jaw pain and his dentist gave him a permanent prescription, entitling him to a state Marijuana buyer's card (or whatever they call it). The cop reminded him it wasn't california and told him to stash the weed or lose it and suffer the the additional consequences of ticketing and arrest for disorderly conduct for refusing to comply. Guess who got released under their own recognizance a few hours later? I'd bet any amount of money that is recorded somewhere as an arrest of a medical marijuana user in someone's statistical base.

tazzygirl -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 3:29:20 PM)
I would love to see numbers... somewhere... for the claim that its worse now than before. Its all I am asking. Really, I would think if someone can come up with the number for total arrests, they could come up with the number for patients arrest. However, as much as I have looked, many of the complaints against the treatment of medical marijuana users have been the shut downs of dispensaries.

SternSkipper -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 3:30:35 PM)
quote: Voters passed medical marijuana last fall, but Arizona's Department of Health Services put the dispensary program on hold until the federal government can weigh in on the legality of Arizona's law This is just me, but after actually watching what goes on in Az since Obama got elected and they decided to be a 'different' (Now I know what McCain meant all along in regard to "maverick" was simply the polite term for asshole)... but the above doesn't surprise me in the least.

tazzygirl -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 3:32:40 PM)
I agree. However, you cant insist the government is picking on a part of the population if they are breaking the law. Unless I am mistaken, that card only entitled someone to get their stash at a dispensary.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 3:34:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper My kids go to a school in a lower income district, and I'm glad none of em are malnourished. It shows up in their testing scores. GAWD FUCKING DAMN IT! I wish those fatherrimming idiotlogues on the right could fucking grasp this simple fact. Feed Kids --> Kids brains grow --> kids learn better --> more kids graduate --> kids better able to get & hold jobs --> better economy What do you expect, 2+2 might as well be tensor calculus to those fucks.

SternSkipper -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 3:35:09 PM)
quote: I would love to see numbers... somewhere... for the claim that its worse now than before. Its all I am asking. Really, I would think if someone can come up with the number for total arrests, they could come up with the number for patients arrest. I haven't heard a lot about the "arrests" myself... And ya can't really trust NORML anymore... between the commercial grower sponsorship they get and the fact that so many of em in the campaign side of the organization are displaced professional campaign staff from the two parties. It just seems to me that if there's any place that there's been an "increase" in 'patient' busts, we should see a huge decrease in regular user busts, simply cause of the migration of the 'bustable' population to the lawful side of the fence.

SternSkipper -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 3:43:11 PM)
I personally would have CRINGED if Massachusetts had gone medical M rather than decrim. Mainly because I think it's REAL RISKY at this point in history (with all the medical insurance miasma ) to get yourself labeled. I mean suppose it's all a pendulum thing? As happened in Alaska.

SternSkipper -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 3:46:14 PM)
quote: Feed Kids --> Kids brains grow --> kids learn better --> more kids graduate --> kids better able to get & hold jobs --> better economy The first lady gets it... she's been the spearhead of putting this program out there and for her efforts she gets called "fat" for eating some BBQ and creator of a "nanny state". Frankly, I wish everybody got this simple no brainer.

tazzygirl -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 3:54:22 PM)
Imagine the only place you get to eat is at school.

thompsonx -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 3:58:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I agree. However, you cant insist the government is picking on a part of the population if they are breaking the law. Unless I am mistaken, that card only entitled someone to get their stash at a dispensary. You are mistaken. Perhaps you should read the california law.

tazzygirl -> RE: The "food-stamps president".......... (2/9/2012 4:02:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I agree. However, you cant insist the government is picking on a part of the population if they are breaking the law. Unless I am mistaken, that card only entitled someone to get their stash at a dispensary. You are mistaken. Perhaps you should read the california law. I was talking about Arizona law, as I mentioned in a previous post.

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