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MistressDarkArt -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (1/31/2012 7:55:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/us-bridges-roads-built-chinese-firms-14594513?tab=9482930?ion=1206853&playlist=14594944

Do you believe this shit!


Read Albert Brooks' '2030'. It's a novel, but I'm betting it all comes true (btw, it all turns out just ducky in the book. China not only fixes the freeways, but the health care system too.)




Marini -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (1/31/2012 7:55:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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maybe, just maybe, we will one day be signing similar agreements in the U.S.
Even I am speechless.


With a few simple edits I am going to use this to save the lives of thousands of Republicans on the morning of November 7th, 2012 ... I mean if the rightie sentiments on this forum are any indicator.




This is certainly a document that every thinking person should read.
Often, either the light is on or it's off, it's hard to shine the light
in a dark or closed mind.
Good luck with that!
Peace




igor2003 -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (1/31/2012 7:58:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Who wants to bet me there aren`t American firms doing work in China?


That's not the half of it...ever hear of Project 60?  The following is taken from just one article about it...there are many more.

Project 60 takes advantage of a federal program that grants permanent residency to foreign nationals, in this case, Chinese. This program comes with special tax exemptions to the foreign firms moving here. American companies do not get the tax exemptions; So much for the Constitution and equal protection. Idaho is struggling financially and it is widely known that America is broke, so why tax breaks for the Chinese?

China wants to limit its exposure to America’s debt. China needs to maintain its trade deficits, so it does not collapse like a house of cards. In order to accomplish this, China must unload currency and excess dollars. Buying Idaho is a good way to accomplish this. But, do not worry, China is looking at buying Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania as well. China will not allow its currency to become stronger, so it must eliminate some of America’s IOU’s. What better way to do this than buy America?

Top Idaho officials have been traveling to China and entertaining the Chinese here, in order to help facilitate this. Idaho is a resource rich state and the Chinese know it, as does Obama, who keeps snatching Idaho land. Otter (Idaho Governor Butch Otter), Obama and the attack on business in America paves the way for China to own us. A Chinese firm is building a fertilizer plant in American Falls Idaho. Ironic. China has bought fifty square miles of land south of Boise, thirty thousand acres of Idaho gone to foreign nationals. Governor Otter says this will help reinvigorate our American industrial base. Just how this will do it, since the plants will be staffed with foreign nationals is a question that remains unanswered.


Here is a link to this particular article:  http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?236590-Project-60-China-Buying-Idaho-50-square-miles-Idaho-To-Be-First-Chinese-State

I've read in other articles that at least part of the 50 square miles they have bought is intended to be a special community just for the Chinese nationals that are expected to move here.  I keep hoping the whole thing is some kind of hoax, but haven't really found anything saying it isn't real.





SternSkipper -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (1/31/2012 8:34:08 PM)

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Chinese have a good tradition building American infrastructure. Chinese chain gangs were heavily involved in Old West railroad construction late 19th century for example. Obama has shown no real leadership in job creation. As a propaganda specialist (and sociopath) he just wants people to believe he does something important in this direction.


You sir, are just a fountain of knowledge... Please, if you've got a minute regale us with your precise knowledge of world affairs and tell us where Obama is going to deploy the next 12,000 imaginary troops.




SternSkipper -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (1/31/2012 9:00:51 PM)

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That's not the half of it...ever hear of Project 60? The following is taken from just one article about it...there are many more.


Hey ... next time you want to 'open our eyes' can you find a real news source instead of a link in a speedboat enthusiast's forum, where one bumkin is alerting all the other bumpkins to this plot... Which is being reported by a right wing glued and stapled together 'magazine site' <har har> ... Which really only wants to exploit your racist sensibilities by selling you this
[image]local://upfiles/18637/B15C4E85C89148DD86C69E308A1DF64C.gif[/image]

BTW - Why weren't you similarly incensed when Idaho was allowing a 4th Reich State to take root within it's borders?





Politesub53 -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (2/1/2012 2:55:45 AM)

After 70 years of the cold war, it is time to build a few bridges..........[;)]





Politesub53 -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (2/1/2012 3:09:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Fellow

Chinese have a good tradition building American infrastructure. Chinese chain gangs were heavily involved in Old West railroad construction late 19th century for example. Obama has shown no real leadership in job creation. As a propaganda specialist (and sociopath) he just wants people to believe he does something important in this direction.



Youre the expert on propoganda specialists, cant argue with that.

The Chinese built the US railroads because they would work for less money. I am surprised you dont even know your own history, some 4/5 of those who built the railroads were Chinese. Consider the fact there were some 4,000 workers on the Transcontinental railroad and you start to wonder how long that chain was eh !




Musicmystery -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (2/1/2012 4:17:38 AM)

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Buying Idaho is a good way to accomplish this. But, do not worry, China is looking at buying Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania as well. China will not allow its currency to become stronger, so it must eliminate some of America’s IOU’s. What better way to do this than buy America?


This goes back to Reagan, who turned the largest creditor nation in the world to the largest debtor nation in the world in just eight years. By the time he left office, 25% of "American" assets were owned by foreign investors.




Musicmystery -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (2/1/2012 4:20:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Fellow

Chinese have a good tradition building American infrastructure. Chinese chain gangs were heavily involved in Old West railroad construction late 19th century for example. Obama has shown no real leadership in job creation. As a propaganda specialist (and sociopath) he just wants people to believe he does something important in this direction.



Youre the expert on propoganda specialists, cant argue with that.

The Chinese built the US railroads because they would work for less money. I am surprised you dont even know your own history, some 4/5 of those who built the railroads were Chinese. Consider the fact there were some 4,000 workers on the Transcontinental railroad and you start to wonder how long that chain was eh !

Additionally, 19th century railroads didn't have anywhere to go...so the railroads instituted a massive immigration campaign to populate cities and town along its tracks.




thishereboi -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (2/1/2012 4:43:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: erieangel

No American firms doing work in China?  Aren't Hot Wheels and Barbie and all the other Mattel toys now made in China???


I don't know about the toys, but I have heard Ford gets a lot of their engine parts from over there. Buy american my ass[8|]




erieangel -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (2/1/2012 5:39:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: erieangel

No American firms doing work in China?  Aren't Hot Wheels and Barbie and all the other Mattel toys now made in China???


I don't know about the toys, but I have heard Ford gets a lot of their engine parts from over there. Buy american my ass[8|]



If you want to an American made automobile, buy Toyota.  All of the vehicles sold here are made here.  Or Nissan--they took over the old Saturn plant in TN.





Fellow -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (2/1/2012 5:13:22 PM)

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Please, if you've got a minute regale us with your precise knowledge of world affairs and tell us where Obama is going to deploy the next 12,000 imaginary troops.

In Libya. Things are falling apart there and oil needs protection. They will call it NATO operation though.




SternSkipper -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (2/1/2012 5:21:01 PM)

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In Libya. Things are falling apart there and oil needs protection. They will call it NATO operation though.


That's recovering from your earlier missive????
I am just pointing to your record. you need to stay on topic rather than trying to bail yourself out of your last whopper
[8D]




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (2/9/2012 3:51:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MusicalBoredom

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Well... them and their Hispanic illegal immigrant work force... so American Citizens are not even getting jobs jobs


So these "Hispanic illegal immigrants" were hired by illegal immigrant employers?  I'm thinking it's your famous "job creators" that go for the cheap labor.




Well... if by "job creators" you mean government contractors.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (2/9/2012 3:52:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Who wants to bet me there aren`t American firms doing work in China?



Exactly how many illegal immigrants are working in China?




hardcybermaster -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (2/9/2012 4:11:04 PM)

lets face it, half the shit in your house is probably chinese or asian, probably way more than half of your electrical stuff.
You could build it all and assemble it in your own country but it would be really fucking expensive, and lets face it we all want the newest and smartest bit of kit around don't we? (ps don't buy the ones made on Friday afternoon or Monday morning)
Or you could swallow your pride, close your eyes, ignore the piss poorly paid kids, the guys killing themselves and buy the Eastern stuff.
Pretty shit choice isn't it?
[:'(]




Politesub53 -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (2/9/2012 4:11:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Who wants to bet me there aren`t American firms doing work in China?



Exactly how many illegal immigrants are working in China?


WTF has that got to do with the number of Americans firms operating in China ?

Sweet F.A.




SternSkipper -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (2/9/2012 4:16:34 PM)

They're (the chinese) are certainly hiring Americans in china...

http://www.learn4good.com/jobs/language/english/list/engineering/china/





SternSkipper -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (2/9/2012 4:23:37 PM)

On the Three Gorges Dam alone there's quite a few American firms involved:

Atkinson Construction won a contract in 1999 to provide consulting services for the installation, operation, maintenance, and management of imported large equipment used in the Three Gorges dam construction. When major problems occur, Atkinson inspectors are required to submit reports directly to the State Council's Three Gorges Project Committee, which is headed by Chinese Premier Zhu Rongji. The decision to hire international supervisors came after Premier Zhu raised concerns about corruption and shoddy construction practices, following his site inspection in December 1998. (HRW, November 1999; IWP&DC October 1999; BBC, August 31, 1999; GDN, May 25, 1999; IWP&DC, May 1999; AP, April 19, 1999.)

Bechtel Enterprises, the largest engineering company in the United States, provided consulting services to the Three Gorges project in the 1980s. In October 1994, Joe Ferrigno, Bechtel's managing director of Asian and Pacific operations, was quoted in Far Eastern Economic Review, saying that Bechtel Enterprises was "not at all likely" to pursue Three Gorges contracts because the dam "is extremely controversial from an environmental perspective."

Caterpillar, an Illinois-based construction equipment company, sold $15 million worth of equipment to the Yangtze Three Gorges Project Development Corporation in 1996. 


Caterpillar, Rotec Industries
, and U.S. Voith Hydro had applied for loans from the United States Export-Import Bank to support their bids for Three Gorges contracts, but they were turned down in 1996. Following an intensive campaign led by Probe International and U.S. environmental groups, the U.S. Export-Import bank announced in May 1996 that it could not support U.S. companies seeking contracts to build the dam because "the information received, though voluminous, fails to establish the project's consistency with the bank's environmental guidelines." The Three Gorges dam became the first serious test of the bank's new guidelines, introduced by Congress in 1992, which required the bank to conduct environmental reviews of foreign projects that sought its backing. Ex-Im asked the National Security Council to convene a panel to consider the merits of U.S. participation. In September 1995, the NSC delivered its recommendation that the U.S. government should not "align itself with a project that raises environmental and human rights concerns on the scale of the Three Gorges." Martin Kamarck, President and Chairman of the United States Export-Import Bank, toned its decision down, noting only that that there was not enough information and for the bank to reconsider its decision, it "would need further evidence that these issues will be adequately addressed, resolved and/or mitigated by the project's sponsors." Kamarck noted at the time that several U.S. companies had sold $60 to $100 million worth of equipment and services to the project without Ex-Im Bank support. (Fortune, October 11, 1997; IWP&DC, July 1999; Statement of the Board of Directors of the Export-Import Bank of the United States, Washington DC, May 30, 1996; CD, October 31, 1994.)


CS Johnson is supplying one of four major concrete batching plants to the Three Gorges project. (IWP&DC, July 1999; Reuter, November 1997.)

General Electric
has received a contract valued at approximately 
US$37 million to supply three turbines, additional equipment and 
services for a major hydroelectric power project. The 3,300MW 
Pubugou Hydropower Station on the Dadu River in Sichuan province is the fifth largest hydroelectric station in China and the biggest on-going 
project in Sichuan, according to GE. (Power in Asia, Sep 30, 2004.) 

Harza Engineering
, a Chicago-based company, provided consulting services to the Three Gorges project in 1996. In 1999, Harza Engineering won a contract to supervise construction of the Three Gorges dam. The company is required to report any major problems arising at the construction site to the State Council's Three Gorges Project construction committee, headed by China's Premier Zhu Rongji. The hiring of international supervisors comes after Premier Zhu raised concerns about corruption and shoddy construction practices following his site inspection in December 1998. (IWP&DC, October 1999; IWP&DC, May 1999; AP, April 19, 1999; SNS, January 1996.)


ITT Industries
, one of the world's largest pump manufacturing groups, announced on Nov. 8, 2000, that its Chinese subsidiary, Nanjing Goulds Pump Co., received a contract worth US$604,595 to provide 48 deep-well pumps for the five permanent ship locks to be built in the Yichang section of the Yangtze River in Hubei. (ChinaOnline, November 10, 2000.)

Management Resources International, a consulting company, participated in a World Bank-sponsored trip to the Three Gorges area in 1986. D. Graybill of Management Resources International went on the trip and was also a member of the World Bank panel of experts that reviewed the Canadian feasibility study in 1988. (See United States Bureau of Reclamation) Rotec Industries, an Illinois-based engineering company, has sold cranes and conveyer belts worth about $50 million and another $30 million worth of concrete equipment to the Three Gorges dam's developers. (Fortune, October 11, 1997; ENR, March 31, 1997.) 
September 2000 - A conveyor belt from Rotec Industrial Inc.'s tower crane fell more than 60 feet onto a group of Chinese workers at the Three Gorges Dam project, killing three and injuring 30. The accident occurred on the night of Sunday September 3, 2000. Robert Oury, Rotec's chief executive officer, said the machine involved in the accident is one of four combination crane and conveyor belt towers working on the dam, purchased from Rotec for more than $8 million. It has been on the site for 14 months, conveying and pouring concrete almost around the clock, he said in a telephone interview. Oury said that after a serious problem with a bearing, Chinese technicians took part of the machine to the ground to repair it. As they sought to reassemble the conveyor belt that rises up the structure, parts of it fell to the ground, hitting the workers, he said.(Washington Post, September 6, 2000.) 
October 2000 - Ke Changli is suing Rotec Corporation for US$420,000 for supplying the concrete conveyor Ke Changli claims was responsible for her husband's death late last year at the dam site. Ke Changli received US$7,250 in compensation after her husband, Ke Shanlin, a Three Gorges machine operator, died on Nov. 19, 1999, while using the Rotec conveyor's lift system. (Three Gorges Probe, October 24, 2000) 
United States Army Corps of Engineers
, a federal dam-building agency, was part of a

U.S. Three Gorges Working Group
, a consortium of U.S. dam building companies and financiers, which was formed in the 1980s to participate in China's Three Gorges project. In 1985, the group reviewed technical aspects of the 180-metre and 150-metre schemes proposed by China's Ministry of Water Resources and Electric Power and recommended that: 1) social and environmental impact studies be conducted; 2) a cost-benefit analysis acceptable to potential financiers be conducted; and 3) the dam be built as a joint venture between the Chinese government and the U.S. Three Gorges Working Group, with possible funding from the World Bank, the Asian Development Bank, Sweden, Japan, and Canada. (Damming the Three Gorges: What Dam Builders Don't Want You To Know, 1993.)  In 1986, the Army Corps participated in a World Bank-sponsored trip to the Three Gorges area along with other U.S. experts, and as a member of the World Bank's panel of experts that reviewed the Canadian Three Gorges feasibility study in 1988. (See United States Bureau of Reclamation)  The U.S. Three Gorges Working Group included representatives from the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the American Consulting Engineers Council, Guy F. Atkinson Company, Bechtel Civil and Mineral Inc.,

Coopers and Lybrand, Merrill Lynch Capital Markets, Morgan Bank, Morrison-Knudsen Inc., and Stone and

Webster Engineering Corporation. (See 14. FINANCIERS)





BoxwineForBrunch -> RE: Oh nice! Now China is rebuilding our infra-structure? (2/9/2012 4:30:46 PM)

cool story bro <3

it's cute when troglodytic rightwingers get all het up over china shit, given that nixon is the one who asked china to prom and mr george herbert walker prescott bush esquire is the one who cranked up dire straits' tunnel of love in the back of the limo and started awkwardly fumbling w/his bra strap while china touched himself and lasciviously licked his lips. added fact: when the japanese were buying up the country under ronnie raygun this was hailed as another home run for the gipper.

it's almost as precious as when the same neo libs who compared gwb to hitler for guantanamo (rightly so) and for his genocidal policies toward muslims (also justifiably) now cheer enthusiastically as obama further erodes civil liberties and amps up the drone strikes.

kids, bad juju is bad juju whether the witch doctors for your tribe or the other tribe are hyping it.




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