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Mitt's Collapse? - 1/24/2012 9:25:47 PM   
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New polls show a collapse in support for Mitt Romney
By Michael A. Memoli
January 24, 2012, 12:08 p.m.

New polling data shows a remarkable erosion of support for Mitt Romney in just a matter of days, both among Republican voters he's appealing to now and the all-important independents he'd need in a general election.

Gallup's daily tracking poll Tuesday puts Newt Gingrich back on top the field of presidential hopefuls among Republicans nationally, having erased what had been a 24-point Romney lead in only nine days.

The former House speaker is supported by 31% of GOP voters sampled, up from 13% a little more than a week ago, while Romney has slipped to 27%, down 10 percentage points in the same period.

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Meanwhile a new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows Romney has a 51% unfavorable rating among independent voters, the highest number they've recorded in six years for the former Massachusetts governor. Only 23% view him favorably.

Even among Republicans, Romney's unfavorable rating has jumped 14 percentage points in just two weeks.

I count a 29 point switch between Romney and Gingrich.

I'm not sure it matters whether or not Santorum or Paul drop out or not.

Interesting race, I gotta say.

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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/24/2012 9:52:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is something about Mitt people just don't like, Firm, but they have a hard time putting their finger on it. Just a vague, creepy vibe.

With Newt, people know exactly why they don't like him. He's an asshole. Sometimes that is what you need, to get the job done.

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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/24/2012 9:57:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, he has been demonized for taking the same sorta tax breaks that Warren Buffet brags about taking..

Oh, well,.. if Americans end up making The Newt Prez.. then imo they cant bitch when he screws the country down the road..

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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/24/2012 11:28:10 PM   
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Florida is a different state.
And Newt G. isn't really a conservative is he? "Nafta." A "lobbyist."
Newt is out for Newt.
Even if I were a republican I wouldn't vote for him.

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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/25/2012 12:45:32 AM   
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I mean I don't like Romney, but he's better than Newt.

Newt lashes out constantly, verifiably unstable, he zero good personal characteristics. I mean three wives, cheating on them, and he's going to lead the social conservatives? That seems bizarre to say the least. Also, he sells his political influence at every turn and calls it "private" business, LOL, pimping Freddie Mac, should not appeal to any fiscal conservative. He's had ethics scandals in the house as well.

Really, the republicans are trying to lose it appears, gingrich makes obama look good.

Anyway, it seems clear that there aren't many conservatives in the republican party if someone with an all around bad history like newt can even have shot at the nomination, it appears all the majority of republicans care about in reality is war rhetoric.


Worse than Democrats. Really.


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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/25/2012 2:03:57 AM   
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Except for the worse than democrats part.
We just havent seen much of their issues in the past couple of years.
Newt wouldnt get a look in if Romney were a good Christian, even with his tax rate and his Bain issues.
But when Newt is his "main" competitor I cant believe its for real. Its too much of an obvious farce. Pathetic farce.

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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/25/2012 2:35:05 AM   
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There is something about Mitt people just don't like, Firm, but they have a hard time putting their finger on it. Just a vague, creepy vibe.

I think Bain explains Mitt's collapse. The country is simply in no mood to elect a man who enriched himself by destroying jobs. That picture of young Mitt and his partners with money stuffed in their suits is a visual that he may not be able to recover from.

Of course nominating Newt might be the biggest mistake the GOP has ever made. Hasn't anyone noticed that the people who he used to work with as Speaker are all either opposing his run or at best staying neutral? You'd expect to have a few supporting his run at least

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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/25/2012 4:44:39 AM   
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With Newt, people know exactly why they don't like him. He's an asshole. Sometimes that is what you need, to get the job done.


Rich, while I agree with that as a general sentiment, one of the knocks on Newt is that he doesn't get things done.  There are plenty of Republicans who've worked with him who testify that he's useless when he's in command.

So far, he reminds me of The Joker.  We were having a nice, polite, orderly election before Newt started throwing bombs.  He's damn near demolished Romney by calling into question the Republicans' cherished concept of free enterprise, which could hurt the GOP's platform coherence for years.  He's also sniped at the idea that someone who gets income from capital gains should pay a lower tax rate than ordinary income.

In addition to all the damage he's done to Romney and the GOP platform, he's going to force Romney to spend his campaign warchest on negative campaigning to knock Gingrich out of the primaries.  So by the time a bloodied Romney (or maybe Santorum or Paul) reach the finish line, they'll have been depleted up enough that an untouched Obama with a $1 billion warchest will kill them.




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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/25/2012 5:24:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

There is something about Mitt people just don't like, Firm, but they have a hard time putting their finger on it. Just a vague, creepy vibe.

With Newt, people know exactly why they don't like him. He's an asshole. Sometimes that is what you need, to get the job done.


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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/25/2012 5:39:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm in the camp of I'm not sure SC is a definitive statement about what will happen in the rest of the country. I think what happened in SC is just a statement that in the Bible Belt a Mormon is still viewed with tremendous suspicion (clearly with tremendous suspicion as they are willing to vote for someone (Newt) with tremendous moral failing but who they still perceive as "Christian"). I'm not sure other voters in other states will view Romney with the same level of suspicion. But in certain parts of the country, Romney's wealth will also work against him. For all of Newt's faults I guess Republican voters still view him as a "man of the people". Interesting (and scary).

But then, we also know from history, that part of the primary game is the gathering of momentum. And front runners can can left behind when someone pulls out ahead early on. Still too soon to tell.

But if the race is tight between Romney and Newt, regardless of who ultimately wins, I think it does show how divisive these candidates are within their own party. I think Newt supporters really dislike Romney and vice versa.

I know I'm using Newt's first name to refer to him. But that is just the image I get when I think of him.







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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/25/2012 5:45:21 AM   
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I wouldn't make that judgement based on a bunch of evangelicals and screaming snake chuckers here in S. Carolina.
Florida is a different state.
And Newt G. isn't really a conservative is he? "Nafta." A "lobbyist."
Newt is out for Newt.
Even if I were a republican I wouldn't vote for him.


This is news. pops you aren't a republican? WTF are you?

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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/25/2012 5:53:42 AM   
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Creepy you can do without, but everybody needs an asshole. 

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There is something about Mitt people just don't like, Firm, but they have a hard time putting their finger on it. Just a vague, creepy vibe.

With Newt, people know exactly why they don't like him. He's an asshole. Sometimes that is what you need, to get the job done.


Can't put a finger on it ? I can give it a shot. That vague creepy vibe especially among the independents, is caused by the very essence of being a vulture capitalist. Apparently it has taken this long to finally dawn on people that so-called investment banking, does NOT serve society at all.

Anybody here know what ERISA is and what it stands for ? It's a law that stands for Employee Retirement Income Security Act. Anybody have any idea why such a law had to be passed.

It is because in complete violation of the theory that the 'market' as described on wall street being the final arbiter of a company's actual value, these buyout people were in no way buying companies to make them more efficient and find the real value or to re-invent their market mission.

No, they went in to rape the company starting with taking the retirement money from the employees. Then either break the co. up trying to sell it for more than they borrowed to paid for it and simply layoff thousands of employees, export as many jobs to Asian slaves.

Sure gives one a real soft spot for capitalism...and capitalists.

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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/25/2012 6:29:20 AM   
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Yada yada yada, blah blah blah. Mitt's inability to generate traction far predates any of the talking point attacks of the day. He couldn't do it in '07/08, when the economy was still up, either.



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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/25/2012 7:03:59 AM   
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So by the time a bloodied Romney (or maybe Santorum or Paul) reach the finish line, they'll have been depleted up enough that an untouched Obama with a $1 billion warchest will kill them.



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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/25/2012 7:06:03 AM   
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I'm in the camp of I'm not sure SC is a definitive statement about what will happen in the rest of the country. I think what happened in SC is just a statement that in the Bible Belt a Mormon is still viewed with tremendous suspicion (clearly with tremendous suspicion as they are willing to vote for someone (Newt) with tremendous moral failing but who they still perceive as "Christian").


I agree with the first part of what you said but why didn't Santorum do better in SC?

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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/25/2012 8:33:06 AM   
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I agree with the first part of what you said but why didn't Santorum do better in SC?


My best guesses - a combination of lack of $$$ and a not pleasant persona. Also, although Newt is technically Roman Catholic, I think he is still perceived as Baptist/Protestant by a lot of people. Santorum's RC upbringing probably doesn't sit well with people in SC either. Just for the record, I have extended family in SC. It is just a very conservative place, even with things like religion.

But these are just guesses on my part. I have not been following the Santorum campaign that closely. Perhaps someone else can offer a more enlightened response to your question. Because certainly from a policy perspective, Santorum is very conservative.

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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/25/2012 8:44:02 AM   
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To answer kalikshama, I suspect that Romney lost the "anyone who can beat Obama" vote.  Santorum is evidently not viewed as viable, although how anyone could consider Newt viable beats me.


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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/25/2012 8:48:21 AM   
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So by the time a bloodied Romney (or maybe Santorum or Paul) reach the finish line, they'll have been depleted up enough that an untouched Obama with a $1 billion warchest will kill them.





Nope, they live for CU and PAC.  They just have to convince the corporations that they are capitulist enough in their outlook.

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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/25/2012 9:37:24 AM   
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I wouldn't make that judgement based on a bunch of evangelicals and screaming snake chuckers here in S. Carolina.
Florida is a different state.
And Newt G. isn't really a conservative is he? "Nafta." A "lobbyist."
Newt is out for Newt.
Even if I were a republican I wouldn't vote for him.


This is news. pops you aren't a republican? WTF are you?

He is no where cuz none of the politicians on any side will repeal NAFTA!!!


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RE: Mitt's Collapse? - 1/25/2012 9:38:35 AM   
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