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simulating choking, and safety of breathplay question - 1/12/2012 6:16:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I find choking/strangulation (hands around the throat) really hot. But obviously there is no way to make it safe. I guess I'm looking for interesting ways to simulate the psychological aspects of this practice without actually doing it.

Usually I'll just clasp the front of my boyfriend's throat with my palm without applying any pressure. In the right context and at the right moment this alone can be a very intense and dominant gesture. Buuuut, I'm sure there are ways to spice it up more. I am really pretty uncreative when it comes to kink, and  would love to hear some other ideas.

Also, since I feel that choking is too risky, I've been looking into other types of breath play. It seems a safer option is to simply pinch the sub's nose and cover their mouth. But what are the risks with this? The thing that really scares me about choking in particular and breathplay in general is the possibility of unpredictable cardiac arrest. How great is the risk of this when manually blocking the sub's airways compared to choking? I'm guessing a lot comes down to their specific health. But there must be some general guidelines? It's really quite hard to find good info on this.

Any other tips on breath play and/or simulating it are welcome.

Why is the stuff I find hottest always too dangerous to mess around with in real life? Sigh.





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RE: simulating choking, and safety of breathplay question - 1/12/2012 7:39:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Same reason you dont want to eat butter slathered pork fat.  Whats good is edgy.

Age, heart condition, COPD(? stuff like that, lungs....)   you can do a couple things to simulate it, if all is good to go, but still its all risk....

depending on the size of your hands, the carotoid arteries can be depressed, momentarily, or you can give him a a quick poke with your fingers in the sub-maxillaries....stay toward the top of the neck with the throat hand and larnyx moves.

Ram your finger down his throat...........till he gags...........

sneak up just a very little behind his larnyx and flex minutely, there is .......well here:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Head_and_neck_anatomy

scroll down till you see the picture on the right (it is an illustration from Grays Anatomy)

see that yellow thing in the neck, that is a big nerve ganglion.  Grasp rather tightly around that muscle cord on the side of the neck, then quickly give it a push straight in (not too hard, you can do it as you sort of slap pinch the neck cord, and then pluck and snap that motherfucker like a bowstring................

You will become an object of some close scrutiny after that.....

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RE: simulating choking, and safety of breathplay question - 1/12/2012 8:07:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		We do the same, no pressure, and avoid major arteries and windpipe. We always double tap out, so for example I feel like Im losing oxygen I tap him twice. We both expect the tap within seconds.

Also, never in the dark, never with any type of bondage.

And it's still crazy dangerous and we try to avoid it.

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RE: simulating choking, and safety of breathplay question - 1/12/2012 8:18:57 AM   
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Here is Wiseman.    Note all the shit that can go wrong.   Note also that its 250/1000000 and most of it self-induced.

That's the thing though nobody wants to be the leftover one in the 251st case.

So.............

I tell kids not to shove icecubes up their ass all the time, now, I have a good heart, but can you imagine the cholesterol that would flake off my veins like bullets ricocheting off steel boiler plate?

Everything is iffy.  Seems like anything extended for any lenght of time at all is bad news.  

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RE: simulating choking, and safety of breathplay question - 1/12/2012 8:38:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you know a willing hypnotist, you can be made to feel like you are choking or that you can't breathe.

Since all you're really doing is holding your breath, nothing can go wrong. You might pass out, but that'll just make you start breathing normally.

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RE: simulating choking, and safety of breathplay question - 1/12/2012 9:09:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
depending on the size of your hands, the carotoid arteries can be depressed, momentarily

They said in nursing school, NEVER depress both at the same time.

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RE: simulating choking, and safety of breathplay question - 1/12/2012 9:15:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		yeah, I agree.  But it is done, regardless. (at least 250 times as of Jays writing that year).

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RE: simulating choking, and safety of breathplay question - 1/12/2012 9:23:31 AM   
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depending on the size of your hands, the carotoid arteries can be depressed, momentarily

They said in nursing school, NEVER depress both at the same time.


so what about if you just compress one?
Is the risk significantly reduced? Or only marginally reduced?


(not that I'm going to do it, I just find this all really fascinating).



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RE: simulating choking, and safety of breathplay question - 1/12/2012 9:39:38 AM   
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RE: simulating choking, and safety of breathplay question - 1/12/2012 9:55:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		LOL. Okay. I know I am annoying. But you can spare the condescension, it is a legit question.






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RE: simulating choking, and safety of breathplay question - 1/12/2012 12:57:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		To answer the question, the carotid arteries supply blood to the brain and interrupting that blood flow can result in a stroke. just sayin'.

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RE: simulating choking, and safety of breathplay question - 1/12/2012 1:31:02 PM   
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To answer the question, the carotid arteries supply blood to the brain and interrupting that blood flow can result in a stroke. just sayin'.


Or a complex heart attack.
I think the epedominion link was very good. Thanks for that mnottertail.
Like he says, you can't say that you strangle but don't take it as far as a faint. When a faint happens its very sudden. Pressure on the Carotid artery can have you in a deep faint withing 5 seconds.
The thing about strangulation play is, you just slip into a faint very peacefully. With breath restriction the person will panic and likely start to fight for breath.

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RE: simulating choking, and safety of breathplay question - 1/12/2012 1:39:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		or you could let go of cholesterol by that method, and then you got a possible stroke as well as a heart attack.  even with one,  like I say......everythings a risk, you dont want to be the 251st leftover out of a million.

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RE: simulating choking, and safety of breathplay question - 1/13/2012 12:54:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		So, no one has a definitive answer on whether compressing one artery (as opposed to both) either significantly or only marginally decreases the risk?

(Not that I'm going to do it. The whole point of me starting the thread is because choking is too dangerous to mess around with. OTOH I also write erotica where there are no limits and I collect info like this).


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The thing about strangulation play is, you just slip into a faint very peacefully. With breath restriction the person will panic and likely start to fight for breath.


Really good point.

Any specific advice about blocking the sub's nose/mouth manually? It's not something I've ever tried, and it will probably be a while and a lot of researching before I do. I imagine a large risk factor is that you don't always know how much restriction is too much, for any one sub on any particular day. It seems that a safer way to do this would be to restrict the sub's breath for short bursts of 10 seconds or so. So you are really more playing around with the psychological aspect of breathplay, rather than actually restricting their breath in a significant way.

The other thing which may be safer is slightly impeding the sub's breath, not totally restricting it ??
I'm thinking hot, ragged, strained breathing. That has sexy potential. I just wonder how that could be achieved in a relatively safe manner ...



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RE: simulating choking, and safety of breathplay question - 1/13/2012 1:11:06 AM   
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Any specific advice about blocking the sub's nose/mouth manually? It's not something I've ever tried, and it will probably be a while and a lot of researching before I do. I imagine a large risk factor is that you don't always know how much restriction is too much, for any one sub on any particular day. It seems that a safer way to do this would be to restrict the sub's breath for short bursts of 10 seconds or so. So you are really more playing around with the psychological aspect of breathplay, rather than actually restricting their breath in a significant way.

The other thing which may be safer is slightly impeding the sub's breath, not totally restricting it ??
I'm thinking hot, ragged, strained breathing. That has sexy potential. I just wonder how that could be achieved in a relatively safe manner ...



An oldie but a goodie. Clothespin on the nose, have bottom breathe through a short straw. If it gets to be too much, bottom simply opens mouth, straw falls out, bottom inhales.

For added fun, you can hold a finger over the opening of the straw.. bottom has same option of opening mouth and dropping straw.

Some incentives: use a stop watch and for every second the bottom can hold the straw, they get a smack with their favorite toy. On the flip side, set a goal (say .. 60 seconds or so) and for every second they fail to hold the straw, they get a smack with 'your' favorite toy.

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RE: simulating choking, and safety of breathplay question - 1/13/2012 7:58:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		The other thing, is it breath play that really gets you going, or neck play? Because I love his hand wrapped around my throat. But I also love it wrapped around my neck. He's been known in the middle of a conversation to bite me on the neck just to see me melt and go fuzzy. And then he sits back and laughs when he tells me to finish my sentence and I can't remember what I was going to say.

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RE: simulating choking, and safety of breathplay question - 1/13/2012 1:40:26 PM   
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Any specific advice about blocking the sub's nose/mouth manually? It's not something I've ever tried, and it will probably be a while and a lot of researching before I do. I imagine a large risk factor is that you don't always know how much restriction is too much, for any one sub on any particular day. It seems that a safer way to do this would be to restrict the sub's breath for short bursts of 10 seconds or so. So you are really more playing around with the psychological aspect of breathplay, rather than actually restricting their breath in a significant way.



I can't hold my own breath for long but when I pinch a nose and put my hand over the mouth, I hold my own breath and count. When it becomes uncomfortable for me I release my hand and allow the sub to gasp air before slipping my hand back over the mouth and starting again. Its the same with face sitting. Its a temporary smother but never to the point of the person panicking.
When I start doing breath play with someone I always say, if it gets too much tap me with your hand and it will stop immediately. Doing breath play on a person is a huge turn on to me but I never want to endanger the person in any way.
Strangulation play is different. I wouldn't rely on a tap of the hand because of how quickly a strangulation subject can become calmly unconscious. I will often grip the neck but I am extremely careful about pressure.

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