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RE: Is there REALLY a difference........ - 1/12/2012 7:31:12 AM

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I think the difference is the percent of Muslims that support or tolerate the radicals among them as opposed to Christians that support or tolerate the radicals among them...If that makes sense to you.

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RE: Is there REALLY a difference........ - 1/12/2012 7:31:37 AM

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The people who shot and/or killed them in bombing attacks were evangelicals.

Not a Lone Wolf

As soon as Scott Roeder was named the sole suspect in the point-blank shooting death of Wichita, Kan., abortion provider Dr. George Tiller in the vestibule of the Reformation Lutheran Church Tiller attended, a predictable story began to be told. Following the lead of a recent Department of Homeland Security report characterizing right-wing terrorists as lone wolves, the Los Angeles Times, CNN, ABC, NBC and FOX News all ran stories calling Roeder a "lone wolf" gunman.

It is the oldest, possibly most dangerous abortion story out there.

August 13, 1994, The Washington Post: "Many anti-abortion leaders have… denounced Paul Hill [who killed abortion provider Dr. John Britton and his security escort James Barrett]…as a lone, sick extremist."

October 26, 1998, The Independent (London): "A doctor defiant [is] shot dead for his beliefs by a lone abortion terrorist [referring to James Kopp, who killed Amherst, N.Y., abortion provider Dr. Barnett Slepian]."

But for loners, these guys have a lot of friends. A lot of the same ones, in fact.

Over the past six months, I have interviewed Scott Roeder more than a dozen times, met several times with his supporters at the Sedgwick County Courthouse in Wichita where he was tried and convicted, and permissibly recorded numerous three-way telephone conversations Roeder had me place to his friends. Using information gleaned from these sources, along with public records, it is possible to piece together the close, long-term and ongoing relationship between Roeder and other anti-abortion extremists who advocate murder and violent attacks on abortion providers.

...In very short order, he affiliated himself with Christian anti-government groups such as the Freemen militia and eventually became involved with antiabortion groups such as Operation Rescue and the Army of God, the latter of which openly sanctions the use of violence to stop abortion.

read more: http://www.theinvestigativefund.org/investigations/gender/1319/not_a_lone_wolf?page=1

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RE: Is there REALLY a difference........ - 1/12/2012 8:43:54 AM

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Only one has members willing to die for their convictions.

That is because Jewish and Muslim martyrs - i.e. people who commit suicide - immediately go to Heaven, whereas in Christianity this foolishness was ended when a couple of centuries after Christ it was decided that people who commit suicide go straight to Hell instead.

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RE: Is there REALLY a difference........ - 1/12/2012 12:19:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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Only one has members willing to die for their convictions.

That is because Jewish and Muslim martyrs - i.e. people who commit suicide - immediately go to Heaven, whereas in Christianity this foolishness was ended when a couple of centuries after Christ it was decided that people who commit suicide go straight to Hell instead.

And here I thought it was just life insurance companies that came up with that idea....so they could have a 'moral' reason to avoid paying.

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RE: Is there REALLY a difference........ - 1/12/2012 12:59:59 PM

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Only one has members willing to die for their convictions.

Good answer.

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RE: Is there REALLY a difference........ - 1/12/2012 1:15:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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Only one has members willing to die for their convictions.

That is because Jewish and Muslim martyrs - i.e. people who commit suicide - immediately go to Heaven, whereas in Christianity this foolishness was ended when a couple of centuries after Christ it was decided that people who commit suicide go straight to Hell instead.

Martyrdom is achieved in ways other than suicide. If people are willing to die rather than deny their faith it is an act of martyrdom. Resistence is another option. This occurred time and again during the Nazi invasions of east and west Europe.

Here for example are several books on the topic listed on Amazon. Tazzygirl's facile comment sells short the sacrifices of latter day martyrs.

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RE: Is there REALLY a difference........ - 1/12/2012 1:45:43 PM

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Here for example are several books on the topic listed on Amazon. Tazzygirl's facile comment sells short the sacrifices of latter day martyrs.

Got anything more current? I was speaking of those here and now.

Im not so sure I am even referring to martyrs.

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If people are willing to die rather than deny their faith it is an act of martyrdom.

Is this what happens when bombs blow strapped onto the chests of terrorists? Are they doing so because they refuse to deny their faith?

Seems to me they do so because they believe their faith demands it. To me, there is a difference.

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RE: Is there REALLY a difference........ - 1/12/2012 2:13:38 PM

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Martyrdom is achieved in ways other than suicide. If people are willing to die rather than deny their faith it is an act of martyrdom.

Well, if they die that way it is suicide, not so? Martyrdom always is suicide.

Here in The Netherlands we have people who stubbornly refuse to get out of the way of on-rushing trains. If they act that way for religious reasons they do are martyrs - but it is still suicide.

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