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How much does stubbornness have to do with strength - 12/31/2011 3:28:11 PM   
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Go figure I had reason to wonder about this!  Three years ago, I took a stand born out of pain, to never be called a drug addict again, by a medical community that doesn't understand or treat pain. I refused to go to doctors and have only been a couple times. That was stubborn considering the pain I live in and my health.

I've been dealing with my life and circumstances and throughout life I can see the stubborn little girl that stood there, fist clinched and said... I win! The bad guys won't win and change me and I am going to win. Whether it was football, baseball, track or some life challenge to relationships and how I was treated, I was stubbornly holding my own, making sure I won. I am not talking about the foolish type of stubborn that no one wants to live around. You know what I'm talking about. I wasn't like that at all. It was in personal challenges that I was stubborn in.

Everyone is always telling me how strong I am. So I was evaluating that a bit and wondered... how much does stubbornness have to do with my strength? Is it strength or stubbornness? So without giving more of my thoughts, I wondered if this would make an interesting conversation and what others might think about it all. So, what do you think?

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RE: How much does stubbornness have to do with strength - 12/31/2011 3:38:03 PM   
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You are a dominant. It is not stubbornness. It is sheer heavens high willpower.

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RE: How much does stubbornness have to do with strength - 12/31/2011 3:44:08 PM   
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Good evening Lockit.

It's an interesting thought process. I think that a lot of stubborn people are strong and that a lot of strong people are stubborn. Depending of course, on who is defining both.

I actually think that, in some ways, the stronger we become, the less stubborn we are, or even need to be. Certainly there are some issues that people would say we are being stubborn about. Things that we have very defined opinions on that we cannot be swayed by outside pressure just to be agreeable to get along. We are confident in ourselves and what we believe. We don't need everyone's approval.

However, strength of character and self confidence also gives us the freedom to hold less resolutely to ideas and opinions that need to change with time and as circumstances change. Life is ever changing and strong people sometimes need to change with it. Kinda like that cheesy story about the tree that bends but never breaks. I think that being strong also mean adapting, bending but not breaking.

As long as we can recognise when we are being unreasonable, when it is detrimental to be stubborn. I think the stubbornness can be a strength but it can also be a weakness.

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RE: How much does stubbornness have to do with strength - 12/31/2011 3:48:44 PM   
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Good evening LaTigresse,

That was very well said! I heartily agree and can see that in myself, but couldn't quite put it into words. I wondered where one blended into the other or where they might be separate. I believe they go hand in hand at times and of course other times it is all a different mix of everything. You've given me something to think about. Thank you for the words! lol


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RE: How much does stubbornness have to do with strength - 12/31/2011 3:50:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

You are a dominant. It is not stubbornness. It is sheer heavens high willpower.


Hummm another word to work with! lol Thank you Rule!


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RE: How much does stubbornness have to do with strength - 12/31/2011 3:53:18 PM   
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Lockit, I view strength and stubborness being different. They can eith compliment each other or be conflicting.

My stubborness, the times I allow it to be a part of Me, has proven to ground Me in certain situations because I have been able to see My own rights and wrongs, but has also helped Me to look like an ass when I overlooked something I shouldn't have - live and learn though.

My strength allows Me to push through tough times. Using your example of winning and life challenges, My strength helps Me use My experience to win and improve My non-strengths, and also overcome life challenges.

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RE: How much does stubbornness have to do with strength - 12/31/2011 4:00:08 PM   
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To me what you have described is more of a concept of discipline - i.e., when you make a decision you will achieve same because you make it an ultimate priority to you above other things.  To me discipline is a concept of strength to achieve.

I don't have that level of discipline, so when i see it in people it's something i will be in awe of, but then i think that it's a matter of priority.  Some people have the ability or i.e., discipline to maintain something they really want as a priority to them and that helps them achieve same. So when you have something in life that for you is a matter of life, it sounds like you will make it the ultimate priority and utilize your discipline to achieve same.

This to me would allow someone to be smart and intelligent in what they make a priority.   To me, stubborn implies that beyond rhyme or reason it was something set to be achieved whether or not the priority  placed upon same was useful and beneficial as a whole.

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RE: How much does stubbornness have to do with strength - 12/31/2011 4:04:44 PM   
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Ahhh... very interesting! I love the different views you each have. I'm going to sit back and absorb a bit. Thank you!

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RE: How much does stubbornness have to do with strength - 12/31/2011 4:14:53 PM   
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I've never viewed stubborness as strength...actually just the opposite. To me when someone is stubborn it means there's something they fear and by being stubborn they're being thick-headed and putting off what needs to be done.

Both Master and I have times when we're stubborn about certain things but in general we both listen to each other and think about what needs to be done for the best of both of us and our relationship.

If Master had been the stubborn type about everything it's very unlikely I would have wanted to be with him.


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RE: How much does stubbornness have to do with strength - 12/31/2011 7:20:54 PM   
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I know I've plowed through a lot through sheer bloody-mindedness. I look back at some of the things I've done while under seriously challenged conditions, and I've been...startled. I don't think it was stubbornness so much as determination to realize a goal.

I have always thought of "stubborn" as a negative quality, that person that leaves the umbrella home because they don't believe that stuff falling from the sky is rain.

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RE: How much does stubbornness have to do with strength - 12/31/2011 10:56:30 PM   
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I can start here from the obvious and say it depends.. There's a polarity about any trait which can cause it to be seen in a positive or negative way.

To me the reason why is also important. Here again much also lies open to interpretation. Is being stubborn because you are right acceptable? To me if it is just so that you can claim a victory in an argument or conflict, then no, I don't find this acceptable. However if it is so that you can claim victory in a struggle for positive change either for yourself or others then yes, I find that very acceptable.

I am stubborn when it comes to my decisions and actions and I will remain so until either I have fulfilled that decision or I see that I have made a decision in error. To me this is the only way you achieve things or get something done.

I am stubborn when it comes to dealing with other people. We can agree, disagree, we can be in conflict, but the opportunity to resolve any conflict or disagreement always exists and all it takes is a matter of effort and effective communication. When you take away that possibility and shut down communication this isn't something I see as stubbornness, but someone putting up a mental block.

I am stubborn when it comes to many of my beliefs and principles. Why?

I believe that I am just like anyone else, I am both physical and spiritual, and connected to both a physical, material realm of existence and a spiritual one. I get ideas and inspiration out of nowhere. I go to sleep tired and exhausted, unable to think, and I wake up feeling refreshed and full of energy again. That must come from somewhere.

This is where I see a difference between stubbornness and strength. I see strength in abstract terms as nothing more than giving yourself or others chances or finding opportunities to find a way through.

Strength to me is not stubbornness, and it's not just about physical effort. Strength to me is also something which we can express through showing qualities as compassion, kindness, understanding and love. These are things which come from the spiritual part of us, they are abundant.

I have been told quite a few times that it's wrong to be too kind, too compassionate, that people will take advantage. I have been told that I am being foolish for wanting to be kind and compassionate to others. That I'm being idealistic, a dreamer, unrealistic. I see it the other way, I see the inability to show kindness or compassion to be weakness.

This is where I am being stubborn, because I believe that everybody is somebody, and that it doesn't matter who the person is, or what they have done, we should not give up on that person. They can give up on themselves, of course. Not everybody can be strong, none of us can be strong all the time, we all have our weaknesses and times when we cannot cope.

I define weakness as giving up, as a lack of effort.

But this is where I see a difference between stubbornness and strength. You can give up and be weak, and still be stubborn. To me strength comes from that compassion , that kindness, that love, of never giving up, of doing what is necessary to find opportunities, to do what you can to give yourself and other people chances.

That to me is strength. Strength is when you have the courage to go into an unknown situation and somehow make it through to achieve what you want to achieve.

Think about the one person who has exerted the strongest influence on your life. Chances are, you will be thinking of a woman, one woman, your mother. The chances are she will be your strongest influence because either of what she has provided you through the kindness, compassion and love she has shown, or what you feel she has deprived you of through the denial of the same things - compassion, kindness and love - that you were expecting and feel that you were never given.

This to me is the clearest example of where strength and stubbornness are not necessarily the same thing.

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