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tweakabelle -> RE: Police Abuse of Sex Workers: A Global Reality, Widely Ignored (12/17/2011 1:36:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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What's the proposed solution?


Legalization.

Can I add to that a change in social attitudes towards sex workers. This change needs to happen on a minimum of three levels:

1. sex work accepted as a legitimate mode of employment with a respectable social status, and industry subject to health standards, insurance, OHS laws and appropriate regulation that any other industry is subject to;

2. A change in not only legal status but also legal attitudes, so that "it was only a whore" is no longer an acceptable mitigating factor in any crime (eg assault, rape, etc). Sex workers to enjoy precisely the same protection from the courts, police and justice system as any other employee or citizen.; and

3. A change in social attitudes removing the stigma, the moral judgements and double standards that currently apply (as seen in some of the less encouraging posts here).

As an example of what is possible in a more enlightened world, this links to a documentary about Rachel Wotton, an Australian sex worker and recent PhD graduate who specialises in sex work with the disabled. A wonderful extraordinary woman.




TheHeretic -> RE: Police Abuse of Sex Workers: A Global Reality, Widely Ignored (12/17/2011 2:28:22 PM)

Lucy, this reminds me more than a little of the feel-bad stories we get in the news from time to time about where some of the cocoa plantations in Africa get their labor force, and how that labor force is treated. Then, at the end of the report, we'll get that the US cocoa supply is mostly from South America, and since the African supply all gets dumped in together, before being sold to the European chocolate makers, a boycott punishes the good along with the bad. I couldn't even participate in such a boycott if I wanted to, because plain old Hershey's is my chocolate of choice anyway.

Awareness can be a wonderful thing, if it has any bearing in the lives of the people being made aware, but if we want to address (nonconsensual [;)]) exploitation and violence against women there are much wider areas to explore. Plus, the barrage of what we are supposed to be aware of today, but is completely outside the range of everyday people to do anything but feel bad about makes it very easy, as I said to begin with, to reach an overload, and blow out the "give a shit" circuit breaker.

Participants in any criminal enterprise are always going to be at much higher risk of being victims of crime themselves, be it the drug dealers getting robbed, shot, and killed, or the streetwalker who gets into cars with strangers.

There is something else to consider with this particular awarerness day as well. At least with the chocolate, you aren't going to make the product taste any better to the people you are making aware. For at least some of the patrons of the sex industry, this is just an added thrill.

A lap dance is so much better when the stripper is crying




Termyn8or -> RE: Police Abuse of Sex Workers: A Global Reality, Widely Ignored (12/18/2011 4:45:25 PM)

"Participants in any criminal enterprise "

Criminal ?

The government defines crime ? How so, by statute ?

There are differences between criminal, illegal and unlawful. Only the hopeless don't see this. A free people does not surrender it's morality to any god or government.

In fact that is the crux of this discussion, eh ?

T^T




tazzygirl -> RE: Police Abuse of Sex Workers: A Global Reality, Widely Ignored (12/18/2011 4:48:09 PM)

T, you are becoming too much like R0.




Aswad -> RE: Police Abuse of Sex Workers: A Global Reality, Widely Ignored (12/20/2011 9:40:54 AM)

Okay, it's time to take on a loser case.

TheHeretic is expressing a feeling the women in question should be able to relate to: helplessness.

Changing such ingrained laws and perceptions as are required to make a difference to the prostitutes is a daunting proposition. The mass of our democracy frequently makes it seem as if we are small and powerless in the larger currents of the political scene. In truth, however, if our lifestyles afford us the time to do worthwhile things, and to get involved, the bottom line is that corporate bribes and interest group voices are fundamentally about votes, and so we can still reach out to some of those that can take these views to where they can make a difference. Even media are still at least partially accessible to the common (wo)man. Keep at it over time, and we build momentum that eventually culminates in actual change.

While I tend to agree with tweakabelle on what is needed, I also think we need to be realistic. Right now, all efforts should be directed at legalization. It's a necessary step to get anywhere, as illustrated by the point that so many people conflate law and moral to the point where one wonders if they even hold the two as distinct at all. While it is not a sufficient step, it does make a difference in itself, and is a stepping stone to other steps. Also, no other, "lesser" step will make enough of a difference to justify diverting any attention away from the legalization effort.

Just make sure the sympathy doesn't extend so far as to legitimize the efforts of those otherwise well-meaning souls that would seek to further disempower the prostitutes as "poor wretches" of so low standing as not to need a voice in how they are "helped". Such was the outcome up here in Norway, with the result that the only groups that didn't get what they wanted, were the prostitutes themselves, and their support- and interest-organizations.The situation has been substantially worsened for them as a consequence, and now the efforts to help them are "on hold" because the enactors of these efforts believe it's only a matter of time before the problem is resolved now. Of course, as always, "the problem" is the existence prostitution, not the plight of the prostitutes, and it's not going anywhere. What a surprise.

Starting from a position of respect for regular folks getting by as best they can seems the decent and reasonable thing to do.

So, who else here has done an opinion piece in their local media to raise the issue?

Who will write their local representative today?

Health,
al-Aswad.





tazzygirl -> RE: Police Abuse of Sex Workers: A Global Reality, Widely Ignored (12/20/2011 9:51:38 AM)

Nevada has such laws on their books. Why these havent been adopted at the federal level is beyond me, other than its a way to keep control over an act older than this country and, since is predominantly women who are prostitutes, they dont deserve the same considerations.

Seems to me, once again, as an argument against the notion that states can and should govern themselves with no interference from the national level.




kalikshama -> RE: Police Abuse of Sex Workers: A Global Reality, Widely Ignored (12/20/2011 3:59:59 PM)

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So, who else here has done an opinion piece in their local media to raise the issue?


I bet Stella has, although I'm not sure if that's due to her words or my high opinion of her.




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