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New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/13/2011 11:17:04 PM   
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http://news.yahoo.com/gingrich-surges-ahead-republican-race-nbc-wsj-poll-040605616.html


This is why so many are scared he`ll beat Mitt and why I`m pleased as punch.

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RE: New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/14/2011 4:00:02 AM   
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RE: New Poll....Obama Popularity Lower Than Ever - 12/14/2011 4:57:08 AM   
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In that same poll Barack Obama Superstar isnt viewed to be the Messianic figure he once was


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Unfavorable views of Barack Obama inched to their highest level of his presidency in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, but he's still more popular than his front-running potential Republican challenger, Newt Gingrich. And then there are views of the economy, which make both look almost good by comparison.

Forty-nine percent of Americans now express an unfavorable opinion of Obama, while 48 percent view him favorably - the first time his negative number has exceeded his positive one in this most basic measure of personal popularity. Obama's favorable rating has plummeted by 31 points from his career high, 79 percent, days before he took office.


Once the Republican candidates quit focusing debates toward each other and begin pointing out Obamas weaknesses the campaign will really begin in earnest

Until then its still just a side show


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RE: New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/14/2011 5:04:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Newt's lead is not going to last.  Remember, four years ago, Clinton and Giuliani were clear frontrunners.  Obama and McCain were back in the shadows. 

I'm personally biased because I cannot see anyone taking Newt seriously.  His track record is a complete disaster - politically, he's made a hash every time he's had a chance to lead, and his personal life is a sordid mess of poor ethics and adultery.  Besides, the way Obama won four years ago was through effective use of ground troops and social networks, and Newt, true to style for someone with no organizational ability, has no real organization.  (Being a community organizer isn't a bad thing.)


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RE: New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/14/2011 5:16:58 AM   
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Newt's lead is not going to last.  Remember, four years ago, Clinton and Giuliani were clear frontrunners.  Obama and McCain were back in the shadows. 

I'm personally biased because I cannot see anyone taking Newt seriously.  His track record is a complete disaster - politically, he's made a hash every time he's had a chance to lead, and his personal life is a sordid mess of poor ethics and adultery.  Besides, the way Obama won four years ago was through effective use of ground troops and social networks, and Newt, true to style for someone with no organizational ability, has no real organization.  (Being a community organizer isn't a bad thing.)



I could not have said it better.



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RE: New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/14/2011 5:18:21 AM   
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Gingrich made great strides toward balancing the budget, and his ethics are comparable to a lot of leftists who keep getting elected over and over again

How is shipping extreme weaponry to Mexican drug lords, getting people killed in hopes of weakening the Second Amendment ethical, for example

How was Bill Clintons raping and assaulting and sexually harassing women throughout his political career ethical

And so on

When the leftists manage to clean their own house regarding ethics then it could become a Newt issue, until then youre just hypocrites to try to raise it as any kind of real issue

Its just a pathetic derail from the real issues of our day in reality

Fuckers scream "character doesnt matter" one time then "characters all that matters" the next

Fuck that high pitched noise, lets talk about the new Obama economy, a real unemployment rate of 11% and three and four dollar gasoline

A world that hates us, a pathetically weak president who begs Iran for our captured ultra high tech drone back instead of blowing it up with a missile strike

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Newt's lead is not going to last.  Remember, four years ago, Clinton and Giuliani were clear frontrunners.  Obama and McCain were back in the shadows. 

I'm personally biased because I cannot see anyone taking Newt seriously.  His track record is a complete disaster - politically, he's made a hash every time he's had a chance to lead, and his personal life is a sordid mess of poor ethics and adultery.  Besides, the way Obama won four years ago was through effective use of ground troops and social networks, and Newt, true to style for someone with no organizational ability, has no real organization.  (Being a community organizer isn't a bad thing.)



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RE: New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/14/2011 5:29:38 AM   
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Gallup has him up two points in favourability, up to 45% better than it has been since august



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RE: New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/14/2011 5:35:27 AM   
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Thats lower than this poll

Thanks for sharing that 

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Gallup has him up two points in favourability, up to 45% better than it has been since august




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RE: New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/14/2011 5:40:51 AM   
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I prefer gallup, have done for the past 4 years, as they are more constant
His numbers were down to 43 % a few weeks ago, they have gone up..
did you notice that the other poll done on gingrichs surge was done using numbers of the iowa caucus.
If The Pres approval number is the highest he has been since august ofthis year, then yeah, I dont think I am proving YOUR point at all, IM providing a counter point to a long watched run of figures
sorry but Ill let it sink in again shall I?

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RE: New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/14/2011 5:46:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sanity, I'll grant you that Holder is a complete disaster, and I'm surprised that he's still there.

That said, Gingrich is not running against any Dems and won't unless he gets the nomination.  He's running against other Republicans.  Of those, Cain's already been shot down for his alleged adultery, and I'd be surprised if Perry didn't have some skeletons, but Paul, Romney, and Huntsman strike me as having solid morals.  Bachmann seems to as well, unless you count her husband's fishy stuff.  I don't know about Santorum - like Gingrich, I have a hard time taking him seriously.

Gingrich has four negatives:

1. He cannot organize and cannot lead.  (Kind of a drawback for POTUS, no?)
2. He has a history of bribes and lobbying fees.  The Fannie Mae incident shows that he hasn't stopped.
3. He has a history of adultery and of less-than-compassionate dealings with lame duck wives.
4. He has a reputation for being plain nasty.

The biggest knocks on Obama from cons are his policies, and his supposed lack of experience.  Nobody has ever accused him of unfaithfulness or of bribes.  And his personality is more popular than his policies.

I just can't see the "family values" party accepting Newt as a nominee.


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RE: New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/14/2011 5:59:54 AM   
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1. Probably just an accident that Holder is still there. An oversight...

2. Are you arguing that the Dems are the party of destroying the family

3. No one has accused him of bribes? Are you serious? He is the typical Chicago Machine politician, this is news to you???

4. I am tired of Dems talking out both sides of their mouths. Either character matters or it doesnt, you really cant have it both ways - if this statement causes you confusion, then see 1. above

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Sanity, I'll grant you that Holder is a complete disaster, and I'm surprised that he's still there.

That said, Gingrich is not running against any Dems and won't unless he gets the nomination.  He's running against other Republicans.  Of those, Cain's already been shot down for his alleged adultery, and I'd be surprised if Perry didn't have some skeletons, but Paul, Romney, and Huntsman strike me as having solid morals.  Bachmann seems to as well, unless you count her husband's fishy stuff.  I don't know about Santorum - like Gingrich, I have a hard time taking him seriously.

Gingrich has four negatives:

1. He cannot organize and cannot lead.  (Kind of a drawback for POTUS, no?)
2. He has a history of bribes and lobbying fees.  The Fannie Mae incident shows that he hasn't stopped.
3. He has a history of adultery and of less-than-compassionate dealings with lame duck wives.
4. He has a reputation for being plain nasty.

The biggest knocks on Obama from cons are his policies, and his supposed lack of experience.  Nobody has ever accused him of unfaithfulness or of bribes.  And his personality is more popular than his policies.

I just can't see the "family values" party accepting Newt as a nominee.



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RE: New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/14/2011 6:07:21 AM   
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RE: New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/14/2011 6:13:51 AM   
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1. Probably just an accident that Holder is still there. An oversight...

2. Are you arguing that the Dems are the party of destroying the family

3. No one has accused him of bribes? Are you serious? He is the typical Chicago Machine politician, this is news to you???

4. I am tired of Dems talking out both sides of their mouths. Either character matters or it doesnt, you really cant have it both ways - if this statement causes you confusion, then see 1. above



2. No, I'm not.  The Dems tend not to address family values, but the Republicans trumpet them.  Therefore, I hold the GOP candidates to a higher standard.  In the most extreme cases, such as Larry Craig and Mark Sanford, it's hilarious.

4. Some sleaze in a candidate is inevitable.  Newt's got way more than the average candidate.


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RE: New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/14/2011 6:18:38 AM   
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1. Probably just an accident that Holder is still there. An oversight...

2. Are you arguing that the Dems are the party of destroying the family

3. No one has accused him of bribes? Are you serious? He is the typical Chicago Machine politician, this is news to you???

4. I am tired of Dems talking out both sides of their mouths. Either character matters or it doesnt, you really cant have it both ways - if this statement causes you confusion, then see 1. above

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Sanity, I'll grant you that Holder is a complete disaster, and I'm surprised that he's still there.

That said, Gingrich is not running against any Dems and won't unless he gets the nomination.  He's running against other Republicans.  Of those, Cain's already been shot down for his alleged adultery, and I'd be surprised if Perry didn't have some skeletons, but Paul, Romney, and Huntsman strike me as having solid morals.  Bachmann seems to as well, unless you count her husband's fishy stuff.  I don't know about Santorum - like Gingrich, I have a hard time taking him seriously.

Gingrich has four negatives:

1. He cannot organize and cannot lead.  (Kind of a drawback for POTUS, no?)
2. He has a history of bribes and lobbying fees.  The Fannie Mae incident shows that he hasn't stopped.
3. He has a history of adultery and of less-than-compassionate dealings with lame duck wives.
4. He has a reputation for being plain nasty.

The biggest knocks on Obama from cons are his policies, and his supposed lack of experience.  Nobody has ever accused him of unfaithfulness or of bribes.  And his personality is more popular than his policies.

I just can't see the "family values" party accepting Newt as a nominee.



More ridiculous partisan bullshit. Give us chapter and verse of this so-called typical 'Chicago machine politics' and how Obama has used that 'tactic' at anytime and particularly on a national scale.

It is in fact the repubs that are the party of hypocrisy (talking out of both sides) and for 30 years from the time Reagan allowed repubs to declare themselves 'small govt. fiscal conservatives' while being big govt. borrow and spend Keynesian deficit spenders.

The party of family values while demonstrating...they have few. The party of religious values..sinning all the while in Wash.

It is the repubs that were/are the party of law & order and then clearly in violation of federal law, traded arms with Iran and then in a further clear violation of federal law, had their 'little Hitler' in the white house funding revolution in central America. The party who 'partied' with Abramoff.

I have many republican friends, most of which haven't been indicted.

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RE: New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/14/2011 6:22:18 AM   
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Do you think 45 is good, lucy?

Put another way, in your opinion how well would a greedy capitalist pigs online store do with 55% bad reviews on ebay or Amazon


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yes like the other poll you thought you were right on
I prefer gallup, have done for the past 4 years, as they are more constant
His numbers were down to 43 % a few weeks ago, they have gone up..
did you notice that the other poll done on gingrichs surge was done using numbers of the iowa caucus.
If The Pres approval number is the highest he has been since august ofthis year, then yeah, I dont think I am proving YOUR point at all, IM providing a counter point to a long watched run of figures
sorry but Ill let it sink in again shall I?


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RE: New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/14/2011 6:23:58 AM   
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You hold them to a higher standard because they have standards?

Tell me you are joking, Steven

The party that didnt bat an eye at credible accusations that Clinton was a rapist, the party thats been giving weapons to drug lords, has the right to get all preachy about morals because it has no morals?

This sort of "logic" would be laughable if it werent so symbolic of the thinking of so many on the left

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

1. Probably just an accident that Holder is still there. An oversight...

2. Are you arguing that the Dems are the party of destroying the family

3. No one has accused him of bribes? Are you serious? He is the typical Chicago Machine politician, this is news to you???

4. I am tired of Dems talking out both sides of their mouths. Either character matters or it doesnt, you really cant have it both ways - if this statement causes you confusion, then see 1. above



2. No, I'm not.  The Dems tend not to address family values, but the Republicans trumpet them.  Therefore, I hold the GOP candidates to a higher standard.  In the most extreme cases, such as Larry Craig and Mark Sanford, it's hilarious.

4. Some sleaze in a candidate is inevitable.  Newt's got way more than the average candidate.



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RE: New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/14/2011 6:27:46 AM   
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clue, I didnt, and thats is NOT what I am saying now, try to think clearly, get the facts straight, The facts are that the one poll, is putting him 6 % higher than he was in august. Simple
Those are the figures Ive been using, all along. Im not the none jumping all over claiming gingrich is surging past the President.
And with congress at 81 bad reviews on amazon out of 100 what would you say ...but oh I forget they are YOUR favourite capitalistic assholes.
You know as well as I do that your analogy is a bunch of horse shit

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RE: New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/14/2011 6:33:20 AM   
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RE: New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/14/2011 6:40:31 AM   
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RE: New Poll....newty does worse against Obama than Mitt - 12/14/2011 6:43:35 AM   
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