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tazzygirl -> RE: Is Killing Defenseless Zombies a War Crime? (Seriously!) (12/10/2011 2:23:32 PM)

The picture is added by the news group. The words printed, and the comments given by the Red Cross in the geek site mention Call of Duty and Battlefield.



rulemylife -> RE: Is Killing Defenseless Zombies a War Crime? (Seriously!) (12/10/2011 2:49:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

The ICRC’s adoption of the topic may be happening in response to a 2007 paper published by TRIAL, a Swiss organization also based in the international law hotspot of Geneva, to advocate for victims of international crimes (such as genocide) through the international legal system. The paper, “Playing By The Rules Project,” found that violent video games — even allegedly realistic ones — were sorely lacking in their realistic representations of the rules of armed conflicts as dictated by international humanitarian and human rights law.

For example, the group pointed to numerous cases of gamers being allowed to shoot at civilians or protected places (such as churches or mosques), or depicting interrogations using torture or other inhumane treatment. The paper further pointed to extrajudicial executions (that is, killing a bad guy without putting him to trial first).

“It would be highly appreciated” if games did reflect those rules, the group wrote. They believe the “strong creativity and innovation” of the medium could easily be adapted to account for international humanitarian law.

Kotaku noted that the ICRC doesn’t exactly cram international law down member countries’ throats, but it is typically effective by working quietly and behind-the-scenes to push policymakers for change.

http://www.geek.com/articles/games/red-cross-violent-video-games-violate-international-law-2011128/


While I rarely agree with Firm on anything, I do agree this is just ridiculous.

They are games! Nothing more.




tazzygirl -> RE: Is Killing Defenseless Zombies a War Crime? (Seriously!) (12/10/2011 2:58:25 PM)

I didnt say I agreed with them. Only that their focus is not on all the games, like the Zombie ones.



rulemylife -> RE: Is Killing Defenseless Zombies a War Crime? (Seriously!) (12/10/2011 3:31:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I didnt say I agreed with them. Only that their focus is not on all the games, like the Zombie ones.


Their focus is misplaced.

They are only games.



tazzygirl -> RE: Is Killing Defenseless Zombies a War Crime? (Seriously!) (12/10/2011 3:41:34 PM)

Maybe, maybe not. It seems to be the result of a study from 2007.

The ICRC’s adoption of the topic may be happening in response to a 2007 paper published by TRIAL, a Swiss organization also based in the international law hotspot of Geneva, to advocate for victims of international crimes (such as genocide) through the international legal system. The paper, “Playing By The Rules Project,” found that violent video games — even allegedly realistic ones — were sorely lacking in their realistic representations of the rules of armed conflicts as dictated by international humanitarian and human rights law.


As to what TRIAL is:


Introducing TRIAL
TRIAL (Swiss association against impunity) is a tax-exempt association under Swiss law based in Geneva. It is apolitical and non-confessional and has consultative status before the United Nations Economic and Social Council.

Comprising lawyers, NGO leaders and victims, the association was founded in 2002, right at the moment when the Rome Statute establishing the International Criminal Court entered into force and four years after the arrest of General Pinochet in London, which had inspired the founders of the NGO.

The main objective of TRIAL is to put the law at the service of the victims of international crimes (genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, torture and forced disappearances).

In this sense, TRIAL:

fights against the impunity of the perpetrators and instigators of the most serious international crimes and their accomplices
defends the interests of the victims before Swiss tribunals, international human rights organisms and the International Criminal Court
raises awareness among the authorities and the general public regarding the necessity of an efficient national and international justice system for the prosecution of international crimes.

http://www.trial-ch.org/en/about-trial.html

I would hope they do discuss such issues instead of assuming they are just "____" and ignoring them. They may find out there is nothing behind the hype.



TheHeretic -> RE: Is Killing Defenseless Zombies a War Crime? (Seriously!) (12/10/2011 4:00:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Didnt realize Call of Duty had zombies in it.



It's a bonus game, best played in groups of four, in the online mode. Not only are they zombies, but NAZI zombies. Very relaxing, even when you have some jerkoff stealing your kills in the early rounds. [:D]

Actually, my thinking on the prevalence of undead enemies in these games is to create a non-sentitient, non-human opponent, making it easier to rationalize the carnage, and remove the need to be civilized about warfare. Even in my favorite time-waster, HALO, the heavy mayhem is the zombies and zombie spores.




rulemylife -> RE: Is Killing Defenseless Zombies a War Crime? (Seriously!) (12/10/2011 4:02:15 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Maybe, maybe not. It seems to be the result of a study from 2007.

The ICRC’s adoption of the topic may be happening in response to a 2007 paper published by TRIAL, a Swiss organization also based in the international law hotspot of Geneva, to advocate for victims of international crimes (such as genocide) through the international legal system. The paper, “Playing By The Rules Project,” found that violent video games — even allegedly realistic ones — were sorely lacking in their realistic representations of the rules of armed conflicts as dictated by international humanitarian and human rights law.


There is your answer.

THESE ARE GAMES.

We now need to have video games conform to the Geneva Convention?



tazzygirl -> RE: Is Killing Defenseless Zombies a War Crime? (Seriously!) (12/10/2011 4:03:20 PM)

Did the Red Cross say they have too? Can the Red Cross force that decision?

How is that Red Cross decision they made in early 2004 working for Darfur?



BanthaSamantha -> RE: Is Killing Defenseless Zombies a War Crime? (Seriously!) (12/10/2011 6:52:51 PM)

I read several articles on this. It is little more than idle musing that has been swept up by a media hungry for sensationalism and something to fill hours and quotas.


Move along, folks; nothing to see here.



FirmhandKY -> RE: Is Killing Defenseless Zombies a War Crime? (Seriously!) (12/10/2011 9:01:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Maybe, maybe not. It seems to be the result of a study from 2007.

The ICRC’s adoption of the topic may be happening in response to a 2007 paper published by TRIAL, a Swiss organization also based in the international law hotspot of Geneva, to advocate for victims of international crimes (such as genocide) through the international legal system. The paper, “Playing By The Rules Project,” found that violent video games — even allegedly realistic ones — were sorely lacking in their realistic representations of the rules of armed conflicts as dictated by international humanitarian and human rights law.


There is your answer.

THESE ARE GAMES.

We now need to have video games conform to the Geneva Convention?

I think tazzy is getting confused between the fictional zombies in some games, and the fictional people who are in other games.

Fictional zombies have no rights.  Fictional people - apparently - do. [8D]

Firm



LanceHughes -> RE: Is Killing Defenseless Zombies a War Crime? (Seriously!) (12/10/2011 9:18:22 PM)

Games? You're saying that Monopoly needs to follow Banking / Real Estate Laws?  That sure would be FUN!  NOT!

On the other hand, I do not like teaching kids that violence is a solution.  Violence for survival - like against zombies - well, of course.

International rules of conflict were certainly NOT followed by Iraqis against US troops.  Violations on the US side were quickly and justly dealt with.  The main violation by the Iraquis was plain-clothes "forces" firing on uniformed US soldiers.  The rules of engagement STRICTLY require uniforms on both sides so that soldiers can be distinguished from civilains.

In that sense, the Red Cross might endorse those kinds of rules being followed in video games.  I'm pretty sure we've seen the cop training situations where different characters pop-up to test not only reflexes, but discrimination as well.

Just a couple of thoughts.



tazzygirl -> RE: Is Killing Defenseless Zombies a War Crime? (Seriously!) (12/10/2011 9:23:23 PM)

Thoughts I am leaning towards agreeing with, Lance.



rulemylife -> RE: Is Killing Defenseless Zombies a War Crime? (Seriously!) (12/10/2011 9:27:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Did the Red Cross say they have too? Can the Red Cross force that decision?

How is that Red Cross decision they made in early 2004 working for Darfur?


You are using one issue to support a totally unrelated issue.



tazzygirl -> RE: Is Killing Defenseless Zombies a War Crime? (Seriously!) (12/10/2011 9:28:45 PM)

No, my point is that just because the Red Cross makes something an important issue, in their mind, doesnt mean anyone else will agree with them.

To expand...

What are the chances that our government will take the Red Cross' side over the corporations who make the products side?



LanceHughes -> RE: Is Killing Defenseless Zombies a War Crime? (Seriously!) (12/10/2011 9:57:26 PM)

Another thought.... how far did good old Tipper Gore's idea on music ratings get?  I don't think very far.  I don't "follow" music so can't tell you.  <Anybody else know? - I think it was ....thud.... >

So that's the effect the Red Cross can expect - maybe a "rating" of how realistically the game follows the International Rules of Conflict.  Like anybody will care.... I can't seeing the typical player standing there in the game store with a box in each hand going, "OOOOoooh.... this one has a higher Red Cross rating.  We'll get this one." LOL!



willbeurdaddy -> RE: Is Killing Defenseless Zombies a War Crime? (Seriously!) (12/11/2011 12:30:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

Another thought.... how far did good old Tipper Gore's idea on music ratings get?  I don't think very far.  I don't "follow" music so can't tell you.  <Anybody else know? - I think it was ....thud.... >

So that's the effect the Red Cross can expect - maybe a "rating" of how realistically the game follows the International Rules of Conflict.  Like anybody will care.... I can't seeing the typical player standing there in the game store with a box in each hand going, "OOOOoooh.... this one has a higher Red Cross rating.  We'll get this one." LOL!


Records that have "Parental Advisory" stickers are not sold in some of the major retailers, resulting in many cases in two versions of the album being sold, one with the objectionable material edited/bleeped out.



Termyn8or -> RE: Is Killing Defenseless Zombies a War Crime? (Seriously!) (12/11/2011 12:34:03 AM)

I am not reading any responses yet but this is my reply :

This has "The Onion" written all over it.

T^T



Termyn8or -> RE: Is Killing Defenseless Zombies a War Crime? (Seriously!) (12/11/2011 12:46:44 AM)

Now that I have read, or at least heavily skimmed the replies, I have come to the following conclusion :

This is not from The Onion.

However now this revelation makes me want to submit this thread TO The Onion for consideration.

Oh, and by the way, did anyone read "World War Z " ? The book with it's apocoplyptic tone in the tome certainly makes a good case for spaying or neutering your zombies to say the least.

I mean at the end of this fucking book you got zombies trapped in cars under water forever flailing whatever body parts they may have left, unable to open the car door to go float somewhere and bite more people. Yeah, no swimming. Can you imagine scuba diving and..... well you get the idea. " Look, my Dad used to have a car just like that ! ". Some fucking green glowing eyed thing is in there with little half arms waving about, can't get the seatbelt off or some shit. I guess they don't die unless you destroy the head or some shit. I bet sawedoff shotguns were pretty popular.

T^T



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