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EroticHypnotist -> RE: hypnosis (1/1/2012 7:40:40 AM)

Fetlife really is the place to find like minded people who will appreciate hypnosis not just for therapy or stage shows, but for adding some spice to kink.  Trust me, bring up the kinky aspects of hypnosis outside of like minded people just opens you up to rolling eyes and ignorant comments.  Like being amongst church people that insist sex be only for pro-creation and you must be some kind of pervert for thinking of expanding on its use.

Invest in some learning of hypnosis.  It's easy to get a basic grasp. That basic grasp will work with most of the people, most of the time.  But won't give you, or the subject, much joy when you get an outlier.  There'll be subjects that you'll learn you should just walk away from, for a variety of reasons, even if it's until a time when either you, or they are ready for each other.  There'll be situations where your two inductions just won't be suitable ... e.g. imagine if one of the people you brought it up with actually said, "oh yeah?  can you hypnotize me now?"  With more training to learn more techniques, you'd have the right induction for the right situatin.  E.g. hypnotizing a willing volunteer on the street soon has a crowd of people around you watching, some of them wanting to be hypnotized as well.  But using the progressive relaxation technique which is what I think you were referring to, you'd have lost the interest of the subject before long, let alone the potential audience/converts.  Even the abridged Dave Elman technique of 1 minute can be an eternity in the wrong set up.

The techniques you described sound great for intimate one on one situations.  Like being in bed with a partner, or having a cosy drink in a quiet wine bar with a friend, or even via web cam or over the phone.  But there's a whole world out there.  There's the world of hypnotic story telling with metaphors, embedded commands and nested loops, that completely restrain the mind of your audience, and their body too, with the right suggestions.

Talking of restraint, like the magical handcuffs (thanks for that idea), there are hypnotic chastity devices which could be imaginary or real (some of my subjects have nappies - diapers - as their chastity device).  hypnotic expandable butt plugs; Orgasm controls, either triggered orgasms, or ruined orgasms, or that feeling of being just about to cum which spices up the frustration of masturbation).  You can turn a subject into a robot (in these stressful climates, many are grateful to be switched off to all thought for a while).   You can wipe a person's memory and give them a GroundHog day type experience.  Or spike their drink with a suggestion and watch them stagger around.  I'll be featuring this in my next video because it really is hilarious to see a person's co-ordination slip and the bewilderment on their face.

You can trigger via emails, forum posts, twitter, face book, phone text messages, or a piece of paper.  Or a touch, or a look.  Or a pre-defined taste or sound.  It puts you in complete control.  Does that sound familiar? :)

The seductive and controlling nature of hypnosis is such that it complements BDSM beautifully.  But the subject must want to be controlled.  Even those that want to be controlled are sometimes reluctant to relinquish that control too easily.  With you widening your techniques through learning, they'll love the idea that they couldn't resist submitting to you even if they tried.

Last year, I took more courses, some day courses, some weekend, and a few were week long, and attended hypnosis conferences to share with other practitioners.  I put this much into my training because I want to be in a place where, with my skills, I can hypnotize 99% of anyone that approaches me, either for therapy or recreational purposes from a wide portfolio of techniques.  I would not invest that much if I had a different day job and only learnt hypnosis for a bit of fun.

Why don't you learn one new induction every month.  Spend that month practising it on subjects.  Imagine, by December 31, 2012, you'll be masterful in 14 hypnosis techniques.  And even if you are not considering a career as a hypnotist, understanding how the human mind works and how to manipulate it will always put you at the front of the queue in many walks of life.

Cleopatra





DesFIP -> RE: hypnosis (1/1/2012 7:52:51 AM)

My gut feeling is that if you have to hypnotize someone to do something, it shows you aren't a good match. Because otherwise you would be able to get into their head to do it.

As for myself, it's essential that he is able to get into my head to motivate me. Without that, there isn't ever going to be a relationship during which he could experiment with hypnosis. But we're not into kink per se, but into the relationship. And hypnosis can't be used as a substitute for dominance or to inspire submission. The dynamic is much more important here than the slap and tickle.




EroticHypnotist -> RE: hypnosis (1/1/2012 8:21:35 AM)

You're missing the point.  Hypnosis in this context is not about controlling behaviour and forcing a change in feelings.  You can't make a person love you if they loathe you, etc.  Yes, pick up artists play with language patterns and sub-modalities (NLP) to get a lady into bed.  But that lady would have to be type that plays fast and loose with her sexual favours to be persuaded to get into bed with someone who is either a creep because he uses those techniques, or a loser who has had to resort to those techniques.

In the context being discussed by the original poster, the relationship would not be all about hypnosis - heck, there may not even be a relationship at all.  Including hypnosis in play is like rolling a joint and sharing it with your partner then getting ready for the things that would otherwise not have happened while not stoned.  It isn't about day to day control (although some get off on that  and it can be done that way).  Hypnosis can be about prolonging the staying power of a man's erection; or stimulating a woman to secrete more lubrication;  hypnosis can be about making one partner immobile but aware and feeling, while the other has their way.  And roles can be swapped too.  It's almost like another sex toy or aid in the bed room.

Dominance can exist without hypnosis, although I think under closer scrutiny one would find there is a lot of overlap, just as one sees a lot of overlap in the relationship between an evangelical church pastor and his flock (while he condemns hypnosis as being of the devil).  But dominants that use hypnosis wisely in their relationships have a very special and exciting edge.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

My gut feeling is that if you have to hypnotize someone to do something, it shows you aren't a good match. Because otherwise you would be able to get into their head to do it.

As for myself, it's essential that he is able to get into my head to motivate me. Without that, there isn't ever going to be a relationship during which he could experiment with hypnosis. But we're not into kink per se, but into the relationship. And hypnosis can't be used as a substitute for dominance or to inspire submission. The dynamic is much more important here than the slap and tickle.





Guilty1974 -> RE: hypnosis (1/14/2012 4:10:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

My gut feeling is that if you have to hypnotize someone to do something, it shows you aren't a good match. Because otherwise you would be able to get into their head to do it.


Yes. And if you have to threathen someone with a whip, it shows your not a good match either. And if you have to tie soemeone up to have 'em lie still enough to fuck, same thing. Basically all BDSM is pretty lame don't you think?




Awareness -> RE: hypnosis (1/14/2012 4:43:04 PM)

Milton Erickson's handshake induction is probably one of the simplest and quickest.   In theory, it works because it's effectively a pattern interrupt to a known routine which causes confusion and drops the mind into trance.

Unfortunately, like many aspects of social science, hypnosis is a field containing much in the way of hysteria and mis-information and less in the way of hard data.  Erickson or those who directly studied with him are reasonable reference sources.




Awareness -> RE: hypnosis (1/14/2012 4:47:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EroticHypnotist
Dominance can exist without hypnosis, although I think under closer scrutiny one would find there is a lot of overlap, just as one sees a lot of overlap in the relationship between an evangelical church pastor and his flock (while he condemns hypnosis as being of the devil).  But dominants that use hypnosis wisely in their relationships have a very special and exciting edge.
  I suspect they can, but ultimately it's probable that either operant conditioning or trance-induced behavioural modification is involved in many D/s interactions and even more so in M/s interactions.  When a slave is bound by the will of her master, she's either seeking approval and avoiding punishment; responding with a conditioned reflex; or engaging in behaviour which her belief structures see as rewarding.

I can't see any other way in which it can work.




agirl -> RE: hypnosis (1/14/2012 5:35:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: EroticHypnotist
Dominance can exist without hypnosis, although I think under closer scrutiny one would find there is a lot of overlap, just as one sees a lot of overlap in the relationship between an evangelical church pastor and his flock (while he condemns hypnosis as being of the devil).  But dominants that use hypnosis wisely in their relationships have a very special and exciting edge.

  I suspect they can, but ultimately it's probable that either operant conditioning or trance-induced behavioural modification is involved in many D/s interactions and even more so in M/s interactions.  When a slave is bound by the will of her master, she's either seeking approval and avoiding punishment; responding with a conditioned reflex; or engaging in behaviour which her belief structures see as rewarding.

I can't see any other way in which it can work.



It interests me as I'm very keen to have M present for any painful procedure that I might have to undertake.

I think it's likely that it may be categorised as  *trance induced* but not sure that it could be stretched to the *behavioural modification* part as I'm really not that bothered about about what he *thinks* of me.(ie I'm not being*good* for him)

It's this simple here... He holds my gaze as the procedure occurs. I *know* it hurts but his and my eye contact over-rides everything else around us. We've been lucky enough thus far to have been allowed to indulge in our personal pain-relief system.

I haven't a clue what it might be *called*......but if I have anything nasty coming up, I really want M there if possible. He's almost as good as nitrous oxide. ( I say *almost* as I look forward to nitrous oxide inandofitself......lol)

agirl










Zechriel -> RE: hypnosis (1/14/2012 10:52:41 PM)

Good evening!

Sir uses it with me, in fact the day he started it..I went right into it. Only time it didn't work was when I was really upset about something and my head was "tensed up". I'm not exactly sure how it relates to D/s but you could always mail him. All I know is that he pulled out some of my past that I didn't realize I had told him AND he used it to take me to a calm and an even DEEPER calm where I was like putty in his hands.

It happned all in bed, and he was cuddling me very very closely to him (contact) but I was able to feel like I "snapped" into a mode when he used a key word or specific age. Literally-and being a pagan I can only describe it in such terms as- a shift of conciousness or going to another level of consciousness.

Hope that helps. Good luck!
Very truly,
Zechriel




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