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Duskypearls -> Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/4/2011 4:38:51 PM)
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Iamsemisweet -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/4/2011 7:05:20 PM)
That was interesting. This is why I never eat at fast food restaurants, with the exception of Burgerville, which only uses fresh and local ingredients.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/4/2011 7:38:02 PM)
I'm not so sure that I buy that McDonalds and kfc are sneaking anti foaming agents into their food, sounds a little to much like aluminum foil hat ish theories for me.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/4/2011 7:40:10 PM)
Abstract Monosodium glutamate (MSG) is a salt form of a non-essential amino acid commonly used as a food additive for its unique flavour enhancing qualities. Since the first description of the 'Monosodium glutamate symptom complex', originally described in 1968 as the 'Chinese restaurant syndrome', a number of anecdotal reports and small clinical studies of variable quality have attributed a variety of symptoms to the dietary ingestion of MSG. Descriptions of MSG-induced asthma, urticaria, angio-oedema, and rhinitis have prompted some to suggest that MSG should be an aetiologic consideration in patients presenting with these conditions. This review prevents a critical review of the available literature related to the possible role of MSG in the so-called 'Chinese restaurant syndrome' and in eliciting asthmatic bronchospasm, urticaria, angio-oedema, and rhinitis. Despite concerns raised by early reports, decades of research have failed to demonstrate a clear and consistent relationship between MSG ingestion and the development of these conditions. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19389112?dopt=AbstractPlus

tazzygirl -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/4/2011 7:45:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Duskypearls http://www.prisonplanet.com/fast-food-nutrition-facts-mystery-ingredients-are-industrial-chemicals.html Hey Dusky, no offence, but Alex is bat shit crazy.

Termyn8or -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/4/2011 7:50:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Duskypearls http://www.prisonplanet.com/fast-food-nutrition-facts-mystery-ingredients-are-industrial-chemicals.html OK Newbie, nothing bad but just to let you know a few things....... Some here have an aversion to prisonplanet so expect a little bit of strife over it. I have no such aversion. I do know that their conclusions are too radical, and I mean in an unradical way. The prisonplanetophobes here pissed Hunky off picking on him over this kind of shit and he hasn't been heard from since on this site. Others don't like huffpo, some are split, and some stick with partisan politics and stay out of the intelligent discussions such as tis one. Now I am going to ddress the issues in the article you cited. #1 MSG. I could've told you that and years ago I did ask "What is MSG". It was before I was on the internet and it wasn't so easy to get an answer but it turns out that MSG has been available for centuries, possibly millenia. It used to be harvested from some sea plants, not sure which but being in the sea I would imagne they were nutritious. Like unrefined sea salt. (that is a BIG nother subject). This seaweed type shit was boiled down and boiled down I guess and eventually became a powder. This would not destroy the mineral nutrients in it, they are atoms. But the molecules are sure fucked up. But you get these minerals and they are good for you. Well it was just going too good so Man stepped in and started making MSG from sugar beets or something. Something land grown, that incidentally doesn't require a hell of a big spectrum of minerals to grow, the new and improved MSG. A bunch of sodium in it but not shit else. Causes heart problems like table salt. Sea salt has a natural balance of minerals in it and the sodium will not hurt you, but actually even modern MSG is probably not as bad for you as modern table salt, but that for another time. The point is, these old Chinese living on MSG all the time until they were 100 years old does not indicate that their MSG was bad for people. But the new shit is. Now to the HFCS issue. They know damn well that the shit is bad for you, as well as the flouride in the water. At lower levels it might be better, but there is too much and this is being looked into in some localities. But HFCS was invented as a sugar substitute because the US government can't play nice with certain central and southern American government(s). Sugar cane/beet is way up. The food industry lives and breaths sugar. The high fructose corn syrup is it's life support system, and our death. HFCS causes obesity and is linked to a couple of chronic diseases, and this is no secret. Yet it is legal. Well you could switch to aspartame which is also legal. It's not poison, it just turns into one in your intestines. It can be very well absorbed there ! Well on your way to saving the SS Administration and Obamacare a bunch of money. I think that dimethyl shit is in the flour, but I am not completely sure. I know this much, when you buy a bag of flour there is more than just flour in there. And of course you knew that they don't have to label foods that are genetically modified as such. What's more some people think that is just fine. T^T

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/4/2011 8:02:12 PM)
Abstract 10906: Fructose Containing Sugars do Not Result in an Atherogenic Lipid Profile When Consumed as Part of a Eucaloric (Weight-Stable) Diet Evidence-Based Review on the Effect of Normal Dietary Consumption of Fructose on Development of Hyperlipidemia and Obesity in Healthy, Normal Weight Individuals No differences in satiety or energy intake after high-fructose corn syrup, sucrose, or milk preloads Straight talk about high-fructose corn syrup: what it is and what it ain't

Duskypearls -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/4/2011 8:02:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: Duskypearls http://www.prisonplanet.com/fast-food-nutrition-facts-mystery-ingredients-are-industrial-chemicals.html Hey Dusky, no offence, but Alex is bat shit crazy. No offense taken, my dear, as I know he is not to everyone's taste. Bat-shit crazy? Maybe yes, maybe no, and time will tell that tale soon enough. In the meantime, I believe the message, if not the messenger, is true, and on the mark.

outhere69 -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/4/2011 8:31:44 PM)
Those are all conspiracy myths. BTW, he is batshit crazy. In addition, his dire economic forecasts don't come true; we should've been in hyper-inflation 2 years ago.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/4/2011 8:35:17 PM)
quote: Term: >snip< MSG is the sodium salt of glutamic acid, a non-essential amino acid. The glutamate ion is found throughout the body. Glutamate is even a NEUROTRANSMITTER HFCS has NOT been shown to lead to obesity, high lipids, Zombieism, Unicorn sightings, or anything else. High Fructose means it has more fructose that regular corn syrup. It ranges from 42-55% fructose. Refined sugar is 50% fructose. Polydimethylsiloxane is an anti-foaming agent added to cooking oils (deep-fat fryers). It keeps the oil from bubbling up when cold, wet stuff is put in the fryer. It is so chemically stable that it is used as a standard for certain rheology (liquid flow) and viscoelasticity experiments. The oil and the shit in the "chicken" Mcnuggets is far more harmful. NEXT CASE!!!

Termyn8or -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/4/2011 8:47:49 PM)
quote: we should've been in hyper-inflation 2 years ago. We are, where have you been ? The government figures won't reflect it but let's put it this way, have you gotten a raise ? No. Now, a few years ago after you paid your bills you had X amount left. Do you have as much now ? Sure, ipads went down, plasma TVs went down, DVD players went down. But what happened to food and shit, gasoline (I am surprised it ain't higher), alot of other things ? Just how hyper does it have to be before you call it hyper ? And that has fuck to do with this anyway. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/4/2011 8:49:45 PM)
quote: I'm not so sure that I buy that McDonalds and kfc are sneaking anti foaming agents into their food, sounds a little to much like aluminum foil hat ish theories for me. Don't eat peas, they are soaked in SOAP ! This is to separate them from nightshade, and started before we were born. YIKES ! R%R

tazzygirl -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/4/2011 9:09:31 PM)
Guess I shouldnt tell you what hominy is soaked in.

Termyn8or -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/4/2011 9:21:16 PM)
OK Al Chemist.... "MSG is the sodium salt of glutamic acid, a non-essential amino acid. The glutamate ion is found throughout the body." And apparently a few other places as well. But my point is that when it was produced the old fashioned way it was healthy, as opposed to now. Take the case of refined sugar, there is {possibly} chromium and vanadium in there until it is refined. Molasses has X amount, dark brown sugar has less, light brown sugar has even less and white sugar has none, this causes problems. That was bad enough but now we have no idea what all else might be happening. I'll have to look but I really don't think all the data linking HFCS to health problems is strictly statistical. Of course you chose not to say anything about aspartame, which is perfectly legal. There are alot more data about that which is not good. Actually in the old days alot more people used kelp, which is basically dried seaweed and somewhat similar to the old MSG. At least from what I can glean, the shit used to be alot healthier. "Polydimethylsiloxane is an anti-foaming agent added to cooking oils (deep-fat fryers)" Then I stand corrected on that, but why the fuck would it be in biscuits ? "The oil and the shit in the "chicken" Mcnuggets is far more harmful." I have to consider that an unqualified statement at this time. This shit might be stable but so was teflon. I don't see why people do not see this way, I am not paying for some fucking chemicals, I want food. Do not put polydimethyl anything in my food, if you can't make the food without it I will find someone who fucking can. You supposedly had a resaurant and from what you've said about food I imagine it was a pretty decent place. It was not a McDonald's. So would YOU pour this shit into the customer's food ? But for fast food they do. For the mass market they put HFCS in Coca cola. I saw Mexican Coke today at the store, a buck a bottle, in glass no less and bottled in Mexico. Know why ? Sugar is cheap enough there to use because they are not trying to take over the world and pissing everyone off. What's more this prolific use of HFCS is using up corn that could be used for energy, and thus tends to prop up oil prices, although in a very small way. I'm not getting blue in the face about this. I say don't put this chemical in my food, you say "Oh it's this, that, whatever and......" but none of that indicates that it is safe. Nothing is inert in the human stomach, you swallow a pre 1963 dime and you will have a silver supplement, albeit a low level one and most of it passes. But oh well, everthing has changed. We no longer neede the nutrients our ancestors did, we need all these miracles of modern chemistry. I'll make note of it. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/4/2011 9:23:03 PM)
quote: Guess I shouldnt tell you what hominy is soaked in. Lay it on me, I don't eat it. :-) T^T

tazzygirl -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/4/2011 9:24:05 PM)
Lye

Termyn8or -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/4/2011 9:28:27 PM)
Cool. A natural substance, unless it is new and improved lye, which is probably dimethylsulfidatedboriccyanide with added arsenic. Probably OK as long as it's old style lye. T^T

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/5/2011 1:50:46 AM)
Term: And apparently a few other places as well. But my point is that when it was produced the old fashioned way it was healthy, as opposed to now. Uh, the real world doesn't work that way. Sodium chloride is sodium chloride, aluminum is aluminum, and glutamic acid is glutamic acid. I can give you at least three different routes to, say, 3,4,5 trimethoxyphenethylamine (mescaline), but in the end, all 3 reaction products have the same melting points, the same spectra, the same optical rotation, the same solubility, and so on. There is absolutely no difference, in this universe, between mescaline synthesized from trans-cinnamic acid, or 3,4,5-trimethoxybenzaldehyde, or beta-nitro-3,4,5-trimethoxystyrene. "old-fashioned" vs. "modern" is complete bullshit, and you know it. "Of course you chose not to say anything about aspartame,..." Maybe because I didn't notice it. But then again, maybe I'm an AGENT of the Conspiracy to replace Food with Chemicals. You'll have to get with RealOne and the PaMoron about that... " I have to consider that an unqualified statement at this time. This shit might be stable but so was teflon." The teflons ARE stable, until you overheat them. Then they either vaporize or decompose, just like any other element/molecule in this universe. Same thing with canola oil; or high carbon steel, or whatever. It's basic chemistry, you know... melting point, boiling point, all that good old shit. Except on PrisonPlanet; there all of existence is threatened by an invasion of Species 8422 from Fluidic Space. Find some BC Bud, that ditchweed has PCP in it.

angelikaJ -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/5/2011 5:29:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Don't eat peas, they are soaked in SOAP ! This is to separate them from nightshade, and started before we were born. YIKES ! R%R That makes no sense

kalikshama -> RE: Fast food nutrition facts – mystery ingredients are industrial chemicals (12/5/2011 8:29:10 AM)
quote: I'm not so sure that I buy that McDonalds and kfc are sneaking anti foaming agents into their food, sounds a little to much like aluminum foil hat ish theories for me. quote: Hey Dusky, no offence, but Alex is bat shit crazy. The article was well footnoted, including this from McDonalds for multiple products: http://nutrition.mcdonalds.com/usnutritionexchange/ingredientslist.pdf Dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent.

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