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To: angelikaj, DeviantlyD, GreedyTop, ResidentSadist, S... - 11/24/2011 10:37:49 PM   
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I specifically addressed this thread to the people in the title because they
read and responded to this thread about the TED talk by Benjamin Zander.
or the same reference in DeviantlyD’s thread: Classical Music.   

The point is musical expectations.  Zander addressed this by playing some
notes from a Chopin piece and when the audience filled in the last note
he looked up and said “Oh, the TED choir”, then he got up and made the
point that almost no one is tone deaf.  We all on some level, get music,
enough so that we can anticipate the next note in a sequence.

This is about another way of addressing that point.  It is the
World Science Conference in 2009 the Title is Notes and Neurons:
In Search Of The Common Chorus.   On the stage are: The moderator,
radio host and author John Schaefer, 3 neuroscientists who specialize in
music and the brain, and the inimitable Bobby McFerrin.

The panel discussion started with the 3 neuroscientists being introduced
and talking about their research and contributions to understanding how
the brain interacts with music.  Then the question of musical anticipation
and/or expectations comes up.  No one has a ready answer; so Bobby McFerrin
addresses it as only Bobby can.

Watch this 3:13 clip all the way to the end.  It is on the web in a number of
places clipped to 3 minutes but that misses a lot.  Bobby not only demonstrates
and entertains but he inspires John Schaefer to ask the fundamental scientific question. 

So I am giving you the full clip.  http://vimeo.com/5732745

Enjoy and then let us know your thoughts about: Bobby McFerrin, or different
ways to teach the same concept, or the fundamental scientific question or
whatever this triggers in your mind.

MORE:  If you want to more know about the credentials of the panel
then you can find them by following these links.  From left to right there
is the moderator then: Jamshed Bharucha, Daniel Levitin, & Lawrence Parsons

If you wish to see the entire event you can here: http://worldsciencefestival.com/videos/notes_neurons_in_search_of_the_common_chorus?/video/notes-neurons-full

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RE: To: angelikaj, DeviantlyD, GreedyTop, ResidentSadis... - 11/24/2011 10:47:24 PM   
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RE: To: angelikaj, DeviantlyD, GreedyTop, ResidentSadis... - 11/24/2011 11:48:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can't read all that right now but I think I know what you mean.

If so I would like to recommend you try an album called The Best Band You Never Heard by Frank Zappa and the Mothers. I think it might illustrate the point, by NOT illustrating the point on purpose.

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RE: To: angelikaj, DeviantlyD, GreedyTop, ResidentSadis... - 11/25/2011 12:57:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		The pentatonic scale is singularly sweet and self contained. It has fewer (5 obv) notes with no semitones. Several fixed pitch instruments make use of this.
I think if a more complex or discordant scale were used, professional singers might be necessary.
That might be interesting, but negate the point being made.
McFerrin had to learn the scale as a mirror image too.

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RE: To: angelikaj, DeviantlyD, GreedyTop, ResidentSadis... - 11/25/2011 8:25:53 AM   
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RE: To: angelikaj, DeviantlyD, GreedyTop, ResidentSadis... - 11/26/2011 8:06:46 AM   
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That was precious and priceless. Thanks for sharing it.


Duskypearls,

Thank you for your response  Since you enjoyed that I strongly
recommend you take the time to view the Benjamin Zandor TED talk in full. 
Don't take my word for it, check the link and you can see what others have said.

Thread about TED talk by Benjamin Zander.


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RE: To: angelikaj, DeviantlyD, GreedyTop, ResidentSadis... - 11/26/2011 8:27:04 AM   
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RE: To: angelikaj, DeviantlyD, GreedyTop, ResidentSadis... - 11/26/2011 9:59:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: outlier

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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls

That was precious and priceless. Thanks for sharing it.


Duskypearls,

Thank you for your response  Since you enjoyed that I strongly
recommend you take the time to view the Benjamin Zandor TED talk in full. 
Don't take my word for it, check the link and you can see what others have said.

Thread about TED talk by Benjamin Zander.



Outlier, I availed myself of your recommendation, and found the experience incredibly sensual and transformative. At the risk of drowning you (and others) in adjectives, I found this fellow, and his personality and teaching style, to be divinely delightful, attractive, passionate, amusing, playful, enticing, inspiring, stimulating and most masterful.

Thank you for your consideration and contribution.


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RE: To: angelikaj, DeviantlyD, GreedyTop, ResidentSadis... - 11/26/2011 11:36:54 AM   
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Thanks for that. Big smiley for it.


Yes! A smiley is exactly what it causes, but not at the expense
of insight, rather in service to it.  That is exactly what makes it and
Bobby McFerrin so cool, or as GT said "awesome".


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RE: To: angelikaj, DeviantlyD, GreedyTop, ResidentSadis... - 11/26/2011 6:46:32 PM   
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RE:  Thread about TED talk by Benjamin Zander.

Outlier, I availed myself of your recommendation, and found the experience incredibly sensual and transformative. At the risk of drowning you (and others) in adjectives, I found this fellow, and his personality and teaching style, to be divinely delightful, attractive, passionate, amusing, playful, enticing, inspiring, stimulating and most masterful.

Thank you for your consideration and contribution.




Duskypearls,

"Transformative"  is the perfect word, thank you for it.  That is exactly what his TED
talk does.  Of course it follows that is then sensual: because it involves you and changes
you and the way you interact with music forever after you hear it.  At least that is the
effect it has had upon me. 

I listened to it several times before I could begin to analyze and fully appreciate the
way he had constructed it.  Because he had so fully involved me.  It is multilevel,
it is rich and, ultimately it is "transformative".

I have always loved it when someone comes up with the perfect word. Lucky us.
In the short time you have been here you have done it more than once. Thank you.

I am delighted to have shared it with you.




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RE: To: angelikaj, DeviantlyD, GreedyTop, ResidentSadis... - 11/26/2011 6:59:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: outlier

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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls

RE:  Thread about TED talk by Benjamin Zander.

Outlier, I availed myself of your recommendation, and found the experience incredibly sensual and transformative. At the risk of drowning you (and others) in adjectives, I found this fellow, and his personality and teaching style, to be divinely delightful, attractive, passionate, amusing, playful, enticing, inspiring, stimulating and most masterful.

Thank you for your consideration and contribution.




Duskypearls,

"Transformative"  is the perfect word, thank you for it.  That is exactly what his TED
talk does.  Of course it follows that is then sensual: because it involves you and changes
you and the way you interact with music forever after you hear it.  At least that is the
effect it has had upon me. 

I listened to it several times before I could begin to analyze and fully appreciate the
way he had constructed it.  Because he had so fully involved me.  It is multilevel,
it is rich and, ultimately it is "transformative".

I have always loved it when someone comes up with the perfect word. Lucky us.
In the short time you have been here you have done it more than once. Thank you.

I am delighted to have shared it with you.





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Bless you're ever lovin' heart.

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RE: To: angelikaj, DeviantlyD, GreedyTop, ResidentSadis... - 11/29/2011 7:08:03 PM   
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There is such joy in the audience as they reach the moment of recognition and see, hear and feel the point he is making and are then included in the secret: this is universal. In that moment (at least) barriers slip away and we are all part of this strange and wonderful thing called human kind... the way it should be.

I will write back when I have watched the whole thing.

And Dustypearls, I am so glad to share in the delight with you.

Thank you again, OL for "the gift of Bobby".

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RE: To: angelikaj, DeviantlyD, GreedyTop, ResidentSadis... - 11/29/2011 7:26:58 PM   
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OL,

There is such joy in the audience as they reach the moment of recognition and see, hear and feel the point he is making and are then included in the secret: this is universal. In that moment (at least) barriers slip away and we are all part of this strange and wonderful thing called human kind... the way it should be.

I will write back when I have watched the whole thing.

And Dustypearls, I am so glad to share in the delight with you.

Thank you again, OL for "the gift of Bobby".


J,

If indeed you do watch the whole panel discussion you will see 3 very academic gentlemen
doing powerpoints of brain scans and discussing neurons and synapses etc.  Being very
careful and respectful of each other.  Then the point of anticipation/expectation is reached
and nobody wants the question. 

That is what is part of what is so cool about what Bobby does here.  I have a friend who has
a favorite expression: "There's talking about it, and there's doing it."  Bobby does it.  Which of
course leads to the great fundamental scientific question.  Not only for this but for everything!

All of science is literally just a very structured and formalized way to answer that one question.

This little clip just delights me for a number of reasons.  The inventiveness and creativity of Bobby
Mcferrin, which frequently delights me.  The teaching, exploring more than one way.  The delicious
combination of learning and fun which is what learning should always be when the teaching is at it's best.

So of course I am delighted to have people here to share it with and to have them point out aspects I
missed.  I am glad you are back angelikaj. 



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RE: To: angelikaj, DeviantlyD, GreedyTop, ResidentSadis... - 11/29/2011 7:33:54 PM   
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OL,

There is such joy in the audience as they reach the moment of recognition and see, hear and feel the point he is making and are then included in the secret: this is universal. In that moment (at least) barriers slip away and we are all part of this strange and wonderful thing called human kind... the way it should be.

I will write back when I have watched the whole thing.

And Dustypearls, I am so glad to share in the delight with you.

Thank you again, OL for "the gift of Bobby".


Well said, and right on the mark you are.

What would be the point of delight without sharing it with others? Clearly, my dear, you are a delight!

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RE: To: angelikaj, DeviantlyD, GreedyTop, ResidentSadis... - 12/13/2011 10:57:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bobby McFerrin is always awesome.  We are all exposed to musical scales from having listening to music and we learn them subconsciously.  That was a great demo. 

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RE: To: angelikaj, DeviantlyD, GreedyTop, ResidentSadis... - 12/13/2011 11:04:23 PM   
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I can't help but wonder, though if one of the panalists had a theory disproven or called into question that night and Bobby didn't opine: "Here's a little song I wrote. You might want to sing it note-for-note ..."



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