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FirmhandKY -> James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/20/2011 8:53:05 PM)

You know, on the Global Warming front, there has been some interesting developments.

I know that many pooh-pooh any science that has been funded by, or is even tenuously related to any company that produces power, or oil.

When the hacker downloaded and released all those emails from the Climatic Research Unit - University of East Anglia in Britain, one of the conversations we had on this forum was about how some scientist seemed to be profiting as well, but for the opposite reason.

Well, seems like James Hansen of NASA has some problems, directly related to doing so. And doing so in violation of government law and regulations.  Not to mention accepting a lot of money from "Global Warming" advocacy groups.

There doesn't appear to be any MSM attention, but I'm still looking and waiting to see if it does become a story.  In the mean time, here is a pretty detailed explanation and coverage:

Dr. James Hansen’s growing financial scandal, now over a million dollars of outside income
A Summary of James E. Hansen’s NASA Ethics File
November 18, 2011
By Christopher Horner

NASA records released to resolve litigation filed by the American Tradition Institute reveal that Dr. James E. Hansen, an astronomer, received approximately $1.6 million in outside, direct cash income in the past five years for work related to — and, according to his benefactors, often expressly for — his public service as a global warming activist within NASA.

This does not include six-figure income over that period in travel expenses to fly around the world to receive money from outside interests. As specifically detailed below, Hansen failed to report tens of thousands of dollars in global travel provided to him by outside parties — including to London, Paris, Rome, Oslo, Tokyo, the Austrian Alps, Bilbao, California, Australia and elsewhere, often business or first-class and also often paying for his wife as well — to receive honoraria to speak about the topic of his taxpayer-funded employment, or get cash awards for his activism and even for his past testimony and other work for NASA.

Ethics laws require that such payments or gifts be reported on an SF278 public financial disclosure form. As detailed, below, Hansen nonetheless regularly refused to report this income.

...

As detailed in the American Tradition Institute’s lawsuit which yielded these records, Hansen suddenly became the recipient of many, often lucrative offers of outside employment and awards after he escalated his political activism — using his NASA position as a platform, and springboard. This began with a strident “60 Minutes” interview in early 2006, alleging political interference by the Bush administration in climate science.

Hansen acknowledged this timing on his website, noting that first he was offered an award of “a moderate amount of cash– $10,000″ by an outside activist group. He claims to have turned this down because of the nominating process (without elaborating what that meant), and because of the impropriety of appearing to be financially rewarded for his outspokenness (“I was concerned that it may create the appearance that I had spoken out about government censorship [sic] for the sake of the $”).

It doesn't appear that he was able to resist the temptation all that long. [8D]

Does this open any doubts in anyone's mind about the corruption of science?

Firm




MusicalBoredom -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/20/2011 9:05:13 PM)

I am sure that there are scientist that are less than ethical and in some cases even illegal.  I don't think they represent even a small fraction of the scientist that there are.  I feel the same way with the police -- a few bad and tons of good.  I don't think that in any way diminishes the findings and opinions of a huge majority of researches from all around the world saying the same thing.




FirmhandKY -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/20/2011 9:08:25 PM)

And this is interesting as well.

I Googled the "Blue Planet Award", from which I found these comments of his:

Hansen has called for putting fossil fuel company executives, including the chief executives of ExxonMobil and Peabody Coal, on trial for "high crimes against humanity and nature," on the grounds that these and other fossil-fuel companies have spread doubt and misinformation about global warming, in the same way that tobacco companies tried to hide the link between smoking and cancer.

During the administration of George W. Bush, Hansen said the White House edited climate-related press releases reported by federal agencies to make global warming seem less threatening. He claimed that he was unable to speak freely about the results of his research.

In a 2004 presentation at hius alma mater, the University of Iowa, Hansen announced that he was told by high-ranking government officials not to talk about how human activities could have a dangerous effect on climate.

Hansen has called on President Barack Obama to abolish mountaintop coal mining and has demonstrated against the practice.

In 2009, Hansen told "The Guardian" newspaper, "The first action that people should take is to use the democratic process. What is frustrating people, me included, is that democratic action affects elections but what we get then from political leaders is greenwash."

A question:

If "democratic action" doesn't work as a "first action", what is the "next action"?  And the next?

Firm




Real0ne -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/20/2011 9:09:14 PM)

for me?

preaching to the choir!

good post




Rule -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/21/2011 5:40:34 AM)

I suspect there is rather more to this person than meets the eye. Likely he has a License to Kill. Look here: If you are some kind of 007, would you prefer to tell everybody that you got paid for murder or whatever, or would you rather tell them that you got it for making a speech about oil and coal? From what I read about him, he rather reminds me of one L.H. Oswald. Next thing we know, he will be framed for shooting someone from the sixth floor of a Book Depository.




joether -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/21/2011 10:06:23 AM)

So, cus one guy got riched that must mean the whole of Climate Change is a farce? Its just amusing when conservatives go to such great lengths to deny reality. Scientists do not argue over whether Climate Change is taking place at an alarming rate (cus it is). They do not argue the causes of climate change (to many dumb humans). They do however argue on exactly how things should get fixed. The problem is the numerous amount of people that have NO CONCEPT of Science, entering into the discussion. Rather than trying to get educated they simply display their ignorance like it was a virtue.

I watch the Video Sift usually everyday for interesting videos. One that came up this week, Showed just how well religious folks understand 'Science'. Anyone want to take a $50 bet that he's a political conservative? So you think this 'typical' American fully understands Science much less something very specific like 'Climate Change'?




Owner59 -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/21/2011 10:16:14 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

You know, on the Global Warming front, there has been some interesting developments.

I know that many pooh-pooh any science that has been funded by, or is even tenuously related to any company that produces power, or oil.

When the hacker downloaded and released all those emails from the Climatic Research Unit - University of East Anglia in Britain, one of the conversations we had on this forum was about how some scientist seemed to be profiting as well, but for the opposite reason.

Well, seems like James Hansen of NASA has some problems, directly related to doing so. And doing so in violation of government law and regulations.  Not to mention accepting a lot of money from "Global Warming" advocacy groups.

There doesn't appear to be any MSM attention, but I'm still looking and waiting to see if it does become a story.  In the mean time, here is a pretty detailed explanation and coverage:

Dr. James Hansen’s growing financial scandal, now over a million dollars of outside income
A Summary of James E. Hansen’s NASA Ethics File
November 18, 2011
By Christopher Horner

NASA records released to resolve litigation filed by the American Tradition Institute reveal that Dr. James E. Hansen, an astronomer, received approximately $1.6 million in outside, direct cash income in the past five years for work related to — and, according to his benefactors, often expressly for — his public service as a global warming activist within NASA.

This does not include six-figure income over that period in travel expenses to fly around the world to receive money from outside interests. As specifically detailed below, Hansen failed to report tens of thousands of dollars in global travel provided to him by outside parties — including to London, Paris, Rome, Oslo, Tokyo, the Austrian Alps, Bilbao, California, Australia and elsewhere, often business or first-class and also often paying for his wife as well — to receive honoraria to speak about the topic of his taxpayer-funded employment, or get cash awards for his activism and even for his past testimony and other work for NASA.

Ethics laws require that such payments or gifts be reported on an SF278 public financial disclosure form. As detailed, below, Hansen nonetheless regularly refused to report this income.

...

As detailed in the American Tradition Institute’s lawsuit which yielded these records, Hansen suddenly became the recipient of many, often lucrative offers of outside employment and awards after he escalated his political activism — using his NASA position as a platform, and springboard. This began with a strident “60 Minutes” interview in early 2006, alleging political interference by the Bush administration in climate science.

Hansen acknowledged this timing on his website, noting that first he was offered an award of “a moderate amount of cash– $10,000″ by an outside activist group. He claims to have turned this down because of the nominating process (without elaborating what that meant), and because of the impropriety of appearing to be financially rewarded for his outspokenness (“I was concerned that it may create the appearance that I had spoken out about government censorship [sic] for the sake of the $”).

It doesn't appear that he was able to resist the temptation all that long. [8D]

Does this open any doubts in anyone's mind about the corruption of science?

Firm


You wanna go back over full the history of corporate maleficence and stack that against your theories about the scientific community?


Didn`t think so.




DomKen -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/21/2011 11:54:43 AM)

Where was Firm when the Koch funded scientists released their analysis of all the data and concluded global warming was happning just like mainstream scientists had said? Did he just conviently not catch that piece of news?




FirmhandKY -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/21/2011 12:55:24 PM)

I'm not sure (well, yeah I am) why some seem to be addressing something other than the issues I asked about.

Firm




willbeurdaddy -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/21/2011 2:01:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I'm not sure (well, yeah I am) why some seem to be addressing something other than the issues I asked about.

Firm



And why in their derails persist in the lie that GW is what is doubted, rather than AGW.

Oh...I know why. They are fucking liars.




Sanity -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/21/2011 2:09:44 PM)


What does a leftist want to discuss

Anything but the actual topic, because they cant win with that






samboct -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/21/2011 2:33:56 PM)

Does the report cast doubt on Hansen's ethics? Yes.
Does the report cast doubt on the science. No.

Why not? Because did Hansen plan the who climate change thing to make a lot of money? Or did he decide to cash in, i.e. every man has his price- once it was offered? The first explanation puts you in conspiracy land- the second one is merely that the guy is human and not a saint.

Come on Firm- there have been too many people looking at the data. And even folks that were originally skeptical have concluded that there is a warming taking place due to anthropogenic sources. You're arguing with physics here- generally not a smart move.

Sam




subapplicant -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/21/2011 2:40:10 PM)

Climate alarmists are always pointing to the profit motive to justify attacks on climate skeptics. Karma is tough, especially when you are falling from a high horse.




DomKen -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/21/2011 2:41:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I'm not sure (well, yeah I am) why some seem to be addressing something other than the issues I asked about.

Firm



And why in their derails persist in the lie that GW is what is doubted, rather than AGW.

Oh...I know why. They are fucking liars.

All right then smart guy what factor not man made has caused this effect? And why does the massive increase in the quantity of GHG in our atmosphere not have an effect on the climate?




subapplicant -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/21/2011 2:47:30 PM)

According to the latest BEST analysis, there has been no increase in global temperatures since 1998.

13 years with no increase. Carbon dioxide has increased. But temperatures have not.

This is in contradiction to the computer models.

If the models can't predict temperatures - and we are relying on models for future doomsday scenarios - why should I trust the predictions?




willbeurdaddy -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/21/2011 3:00:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I'm not sure (well, yeah I am) why some seem to be addressing something other than the issues I asked about.

Firm



And why in their derails persist in the lie that GW is what is doubted, rather than AGW.

Oh...I know why. They are fucking liars.

All right then smart guy what factor not man made has caused this effect? And why does the massive increase in the quantity of GHG in our atmosphere not have an effect on the climate?


I dont know. Neither do you, neither does anyone else. More importantly, nobody has demonstrated that they do.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/21/2011 3:03:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: subapplicant

According to the latest BEST analysis, there has been no increase in global temperatures since 1998.

13 years with no increase. Carbon dioxide has increased. But temperatures have not.

This is in contradiction to the computer models.

If the models can't predict temperatures - and we are relying on models for future doomsday scenarios - why should I trust the predictions?



But but but 13 years is just "weather" not climate. It doesnt become climate unless you analyze the years where there has been warming, and dont include the years before there was warming. Don't you know the rules of this "science" yet?

And its been fucking cold in California the last 4 years. Lower air conditioning bills than ever despite the unconscionable increases in electricity rates, at least.




DomKen -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/21/2011 3:03:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: subapplicant

According to the latest BEST analysis, there has been no increase in global temperatures since 1998.

13 years with no increase. Carbon dioxide has increased. But temperatures have not.

This is in contradiction to the computer models.

If the models can't predict temperatures - and we are relying on models for future doomsday scenarios - why should I trust the predictions?

Bullshit.
This is what BEST has to say on the subject
http://berkeleyearth.org/Resources/Berkeley_Earth_Summary_20_Oct.pdf
quote:

Global warming is real




DomKen -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/21/2011 3:05:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I'm not sure (well, yeah I am) why some seem to be addressing something other than the issues I asked about.

Firm



And why in their derails persist in the lie that GW is what is doubted, rather than AGW.

Oh...I know why. They are fucking liars.

All right then smart guy what factor not man made has caused this effect? And why does the massive increase in the quantity of GHG in our atmosphere not have an effect on the climate?


I dont know. Neither do you, neither does anyone else. More importantly, nobody has demonstrated that they do.

So you're demanding we ignore compelling evidence that the climate is warming and that the only variable that has changed is the amount of GHG in the atmosphere? Why? What sense does your position have?




willbeurdaddy -> RE: James Hansen ... follow the money? (11/21/2011 3:07:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I'm not sure (well, yeah I am) why some seem to be addressing something other than the issues I asked about.

Firm



And why in their derails persist in the lie that GW is what is doubted, rather than AGW.

Oh...I know why. They are fucking liars.

All right then smart guy what factor not man made has caused this effect? And why does the massive increase in the quantity of GHG in our atmosphere not have an effect on the climate?


I dont know. Neither do you, neither does anyone else. More importantly, nobody has demonstrated that they do.

So you're demanding we ignore compelling evidence that the climate is warming and that the only variable that has changed is the amount of GHG in the atmosphere? Why? What sense does your position have?


Because the climate warmed and cooled long before there were GHGs and there are periods of negative correlation between GHGs and temperature rise for some periods. What sense does your position have?




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