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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/19/2011 3:46:33 AM   
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Oh and I had been buying Eggland's Best eggs, but apparently they believe cages are still the "best solution" for chicken housing and beak trimming is similar to trimming toe nails -- uh no it's not. Birds have a network of nerves and blood vessels in their beaks. They are nowhere near similar. How can people so ignorant of basic bird biology even begin to offer adequate care?
I think living with a decaying chicken is a pretty good source of bacteria.
Animals return to all sorts of activities after a mutiliation or disfigurement -- it doesn't mean the practice is sound. Since dogs and cats get along fine on 3 legs, maybe we can cut the fourth leg off to save owners time with washing and nail trimming? Or pull their teeth out so they don't bite people, and we don't have to worry about brushing them. Puh-lease.

I just really need to find someone local to get eggs from.

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Q. Where and how are the hens housed? A. Eggland’s Best farms are located all across the U.S. Our regular Eggland's Best eggs in the white carton are from caged hens. Cages are the most prevalent housing system in the commercial egg industry because cages still offer the best sanitation, ventilation, and freedom from dust and ammonia. Cages offer the most disease-free environment, since the hens do not have access to others' waste and there is no organic matter for bacteria to grow on. There are also fewer problems with hens pecking each other when they are caged in small groups with a rigidly defined social order, rather than the continual mingling and challenging that goes on in a large barn.

The Eggland's Best Cage-Free and Organic eggs are from cage-free hens. Cage-free means the hens can roam around in a very large building, but do not have outdoor access like free-range hens. The cage-free environment offers greater freedom for movement and is rapidly expanding distribution in the marketplace. To protect the birds from each other, a process is done by special equipment, which cauterizes the beak and may be compared to clipping a dog's claws. Beak trimming is sometimes incorrectly referred to as "de-beaking". Beaks are not removed or the birds could not eat. The sharp tips of chicks' beaks are trimmed or "blunted" to lessen injury to each other. Beak trimming is done when chicks are less than a week old. Beak-trimmed chicks will immediately resume pecking, eating and drinking as though nothing had happened.


contrast that with this --

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http://www.avma.org/reference/backgrounders/beak_trimming_bgnd.pdf
Welfare Implications of Beak Trimming


Pullets trimmed with scissors show fewer bill-related behaviors and spend more
time performing passive behaviors, such as resting and standing, when compared to untrimmed pullets.6
Beak-trimmed pullets also show more guarding behaviors, such as tucking the bill under the wing, which have been associated with pain.6 In many cases these behavioral effects are no longer obvious by 3 weeks after trimming (with scissors), although they may persist for months.6

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Related behaviors may also be less effective as trimmed birds have been shown to carry more lice.15 This may be because birds are slower to respond and less effective at removing material from their feathers (when trimmed with a hot-blade debeaker).3 This reduced responsiveness has been equated to helplessness-related passivity and, as such, a state of suffering.3

<snip>

Beak-trimming is currently considered to be a necessary management practice for poultry. Although younger birds that are beak trimmed experience less neuroma formation and have relatively normal oral behaviors, all methods of beak-trimming induce pain and physiologic stress in birds.


Right, so it's like clipping toenails, eh? Okay sure.

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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/19/2011 5:10:24 AM   
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this is hardly the only issue with McDonald's

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/11/03/mcdonalds-mcribs-deep-dark-secret-animal-cruelty/

my family just doesn't go there. ever.

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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/19/2011 5:13:11 AM   
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http://www.mccruelty.com/CAKSlaughter.aspx

and this is another reason.

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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/19/2011 5:30:22 AM   
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sorry if i posted stuff that's already been discussed....i was just so happy to see it being discussed i couldn't wait :-(

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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/19/2011 6:40:58 AM   
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Nope that's good info joybaby. This is a super personal and hot button topic for me too so thanks for adding to it. People that condone this behavior are so immoral and devoid of any human character it's sickening.




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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/19/2011 7:03:18 AM   
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thank you, Aynne. It is for me, as well. I've been vegetarian since i was 9. I know the whole world is never going to be vegetarian, but those animals should be treated as well as is possible, considering what they're being raised for.

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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/19/2011 7:44:26 AM   
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Thankfully my diet is an adult diet...so Mickey D's is not,and will never be a part of it.On the other hand we as Americans have long been desensitized to the particulars of our food production...it is a by product of supermarket shopping ,most of us just don't care how the food got there...and under what conditions the animals were raised before they made it to market.... An amazing developement for a country full of pet lovers.

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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/19/2011 8:21:29 AM   
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Hmmm, cruelty to animals is often a sign of psychopathy - does this double as a management training program?

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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/19/2011 2:38:24 PM   
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Hmmm, cruelty to animals is often a sign of psychopathy - does this double as a management training program?


You know, I read this last night and really didn't think about it much. Mainly because I grew up on a farm that was really a 'gentleman's farm' meaning we really farmed it for the sake of raising and showing horses and had some various other farm functions occurring. And we had chickens for eggs and meat, but they just kind of wandered around and had a shed they all quite willingly nested in, walking up little ramps to these shelf-like nests... I really don't think about where the stuff comes from now.
   Then my former IBMer friend Erika facebooked me this picture (she volunteers at a shelter) of a dog kids whose mouth put fireworks in and taped shut. The whole thing's been fucking weird ever since. I did learn one thing. I always let my twelve year old shop with me and I looked at the eggs for a change and they were organic. I asked if he always bought that kind and he said "yeah, they're the biggest eggs they sell".
  So least I can resume eating fucking eggs tomorrow. Erika got pressured by her girlfriends to take the picture down... Or I'd drop it here and find out who can't eat their favorite breakfast tomorrow.




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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/19/2011 3:09:03 PM   
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My girlfriend in johanesburg, just got herself a horse, big black beauty he is, but has had trouble with his feet/hooves. She found out that his scars and major hoof necrosis was caused by "soring" simply so the horses lift their feet up when "showing". She is now an activist to get the info out there, some of the video has been sickening. Human beings really are scummy pieces of shit and selfish and cruel to anything they dont understand, hell even to things they do understand.
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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/19/2011 5:39:29 PM   
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anyone who wants to learn about Tennessee Walkers and the inhumane treatment they endure just so they "walk pretty", please check this:

http://www.hphoofcare.com/lick.html

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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/19/2011 5:42:47 PM   
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'Soring' is now illegal in TN and several other states due to the rightful outcry and those caught are disqualified from any shows. Fortunately, the practice seems to be dying out.

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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/19/2011 5:49:04 PM   
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yes, but the problem is, catching them. Like any criminals, they seem to find more and better ways to hide their crimes....


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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/19/2011 5:55:58 PM   
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http://www.fosh.info/whatissoring.html

According to this, over 1000 have been caught in 12 months. It has been illegal since 1970.

I see the 1000 as good news/bad news.

Good news is that they are obviously working hard to find people doing it or they wouldn't have busted as many. Bad news because the fuckwits are still trying it.

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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/19/2011 6:20:31 PM   
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it's been illegal since 1970, but the fact that the Tennessee Walking Horse Breeders and Exhibitors' Association (TWHBEA) still allows Big Lick classes at all proves that they're not serious about eliminating it. It would be that simple...if there were no classes, there'd be no champions, and no incentive to do that to the horses at all....because then there would be no money in it.

I put the association's name in case anyone wanted to write, email, or call to express their outrage.

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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/19/2011 11:32:30 PM   
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quote:

My girlfriend in johanesburg, just got herself a horse, big black beauty he is, but has had trouble with his feet/hooves. She found out that his scars and major hoof necrosis was caused by "soring" simply so the horses lift their feet up when "showing".


Lucy, is it a Necrosis like in the frog (the v-shaped protrusion inside the center of the bottom of the hoof? Or is it something at the bottom of the fetlocks where they join the hoof? You mention lifting the gate, so I wonder if it's that shit they do with Tennessee walkers where they throw a chain around the ankle just above the hoof... But just in case it's the frog thing and it's thrush that's gone necrotic, you can buy a concentrated hydrogen peroxide or peroxide like they bleached hair with and clean it out.
    That really sucks. Particularly with horses, cause all their weight concentrates in 4 relatively small areas.



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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/20/2011 1:25:52 AM   
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SternSkipper, if you're buying your eggs at the grocery store, they're still probably subject to debeaking practices, as I learned was the case with Egglands Best -- I had been buying their cage-free, organic eggs, but after reading the info on their site, I've decided not to buy them.
Thankfully, I have found local sources for debeaking-free eggs. =p Why is it so "revolutionary" to let an animal just be an animal? It's sad when mutilation becomes "the norm." Terribly sad.


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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/20/2011 3:24:14 AM   
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Who gives a fuck, they are chickens.


Speaks exactly to your character Willbeur, or should I say lack of any?

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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/20/2011 3:54:21 AM   
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Like any criminals, they seem to find more and better ways to hide their crimes....


I don't understand the demand. I think an animal not acting naturally is not something we need to display. This also applies to show sheperds. German sheperds have problems with their haunches, and that standard pose is no doubt killer on them. Wonder how they train them.

The fact is you either care or you don't, and it is obvious that there is quite a contingency that just don't.

Kill the people.

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RE: egg mcmuffin...and regulations - 11/20/2011 4:07:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

My girlfriend in johanesburg, just got herself a horse, big black beauty he is, but has had trouble with his feet/hooves. She found out that his scars and major hoof necrosis was caused by "soring" simply so the horses lift their feet up when "showing". She is now an activist to get the info out there, some of the video has been sickening. Human beings really are scummy pieces of shit and selfish and cruel to anything they dont understand, hell even to things they do understand.
One cant stop all the ugliness in the world, but you cant give up trying to help it be a better place.
I know im gonna get laughed at , but its my truth.
There's no way in the world I would laugh at you, or anyone else, who feels that way.


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