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RE: Money money money - 11/4/2011 3:45:23 PM   
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R0, the problem with you "saying" it is its mixed up in the talk of queens and titles.

Give it a fucking rest.

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RE: Money money money - 11/4/2011 4:33:22 PM   
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I was cheering him on as I watched!!

Does there actually have to be another revolution to clean this up?? Is our 235 year experiment over?

well,.. I dont think anything is going to happen for a long, long time.
While OWS has some hardcore supporters that are keeping the movement going and protests, etc, imo, the Americans that agree with the principles behind the movement (assuming they understand it), they still think that voting in a year is gonna change something... What is it they say about doing the same thing but expecting a different result?




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RE: Money money money - 11/4/2011 5:40:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

R0, the problem with you "saying" it is its mixed up in the talk of queens and titles.

Give it a fucking rest.


Well then I take it back.  Make it never.  I am sitting on letters from judges to politicians discussing these matters and you all think that some bullshit today magically wipes out these old treaties and laws etc, well dream on.    Some asshole politician or paid off judge says the articles of confederation are not in force and no one knows the fucking difference and at the same time cant figger out why agency workers are tazering them on the side of the street and telling them they cant have anal sex in their own home or buy a cure for their disease.   Well glad you are enjoying your happy farm.








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RE: Money money money - 11/4/2011 7:01:28 PM   
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Intense? Scary? What the fuck sort of milquetoast, pansy-assed, sheltered lives have you all led? He's making his case with anger and passion, but if you really want a revolution, if you want to spark the fear needed to get the rich and powerful to let go of their money and power, you need some motherfuckers with ax murder in their eyes.

Pussies.

I ran across something today that sort of relates, but I think it needs a thread of its own.

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RE: Money money money - 11/4/2011 7:36:29 PM   
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HEH, of course,mosst of have seen far worse, shit what a sad comment Rich.
It doesnt mean we should be happy with seeing it on that kind of programme. it was intense for most types.righteous and passionate,but  you would be the first to denounce any violence. bait and switch much?


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RE: Money money money - 11/4/2011 8:08:58 PM   
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you would be the first to denounce any violence.




You might want to check the new thread, Lucy.

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RE: Money money money - 11/18/2011 9:11:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

R0, the problem with you "saying" it is its mixed up in the talk of queens and titles.

Give it a fucking rest.


one final thought;

what is a sovereign for 500?

what is a State for 300?

what are you changing the definitions to, to mean something other than king and queens or king or queen STATUS AND STANDING?

Hmmm?  

Gotcha for 1000!

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RE: Money money money - 11/18/2011 9:54:16 AM   
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you would be the first to denounce any violence.




You might want to check the new thread, Lucy.

I couldn't find a new one under your authorship. Which one is it? I need a good read this afternoon.

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RE: Money money money - 11/18/2011 10:31:50 AM   
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very intense outburst
but more than important and correct. fuck the left right paradigm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cCRnkamitVk#!
I wonder who will agree with his thrust. and who wont even watch it.

He has some points, but is missing some important points as well.

First, "politics" has been, and always will be "about the money". 

"Politics" is the process in which "who gets what" is decided.  "Money" is not "the root of all evil" in politics: it is politics.

Is our current system dysfunctional as a paradigm to grow or give us the type of society we want?  It depends on the type of society you want, but if you want a completely egalitarian society, then that will never exist, simply because of human nature. Our current government and society is a mixture of several different competing paradigms.

Do most of us want a "more egalitarian" society, in which individual actions which contribute to a "better" society are apparent?  No argument there.

IMO, the way that we might get there will pretty much require the destruction of "the current system", at (pulling it out of my rectum) about a 70% probability.

The basic concept of our government was to attempt to harness the negative aspects of human nature in order to direct it towards paths that would either ameliorate it's negative aspects, or - best case - turn it towards good ends for society.

But this was also based on certain anticipated facts about the society. 

First, that power was diffused through out the society, in both governmental aspects, and in other social aspects ("free associations" which were not governmental, for example).

Second, through the restriction of the power of the vote to people who tended to have a stronger interest and a certain level of "skin" in the games of politics and power. 

Third, that a certain shared morality and/or belief system which reinforced and supported these basic concepts would be a part of the overall societal mix.

All three of these basic societal pillars have been undergoing changes and have been weakened.

We will either have to re-order society and government to regain them, or we will have to change the very definition of what type of society we wish, or we will have to accept an entirely different paradigm of government and society.

I hope that we return to our basic roots, and take what we have learned to grow and strengthen the society and government. We could survive for many more decades (or longer) with just some partial changes, or accommodations, but it will likely be a shaky system, nonetheless.

I suspect that a more likely outcome is that we change our basic paradigm, which would likely result in the almost utter destruction of the original basis of "America".  What would come "after" would be anyone's guess.

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RE: Money money money - 11/18/2011 2:50:48 PM   
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yeh and with a nation of people that have been made promises and invested in elgubafia in belief of those promises now expecting that the gubafia honors those entitlements are going to change how?

I dont see it because the anti is raised so hi as ne guy put it that the only it can change is by force.  The system is designed that way.

The only way that we will ever have decent society again is to go back to the original common law and massage just a few of the things that is what should have been done in the first place rather than form a corporation and grant protection to circumvent it almost into extinction.

There is no separation in courts anymore, judges rule the fucking country from the bench and they were never intended to be the last work on the law the people are.

That is why you can notice in the 7th how carefully it is worded.

So now we have a nation of corporations and assocoations operating as government agencies who have no "legitimate" power to exist mostly created by the executive and if you do not like it there is no redress unless you are attached to some mobocracy corporation.

How about all these fucking trusts that you or I have to report but the boys on top do not.

they dont want kings and queens so create a corp and and pretend that is not what the kings and queens did in the first place then use it since it never dies to horde wealth generation after generation and and eventually as it has been for a very long time to control governments through loans and bankruptcy.

Where is the US at now 3rd one right?  Well guess who is responsible for the US debt?  However do we get to operate in bankruptcy? (where the gub picks up the check)  Fuck no!   We pick up the check because the paperworktook place at shuch high levels of secrecy you will never bring that into a court and if you did manage to get your hands on it you would be dead by some lone nut gun man from the sovereignty crowd.

You want a decent society?  Never gonna happen with in the World Wide idiocracy we have today.


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Idiocracy From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Idiocracy is a 2006 American film, a satirical science fiction comedy, directed by Mike Judge and starring Luke Wilson, Maya Rudolph, Dax Shepard, and Terry Crews. The film tells the story of two ordinary people who are taken into a top-secret military hibernation experiment which goes awry, and awaken 500 years in the future.


They discover that the world has degenerated into a dystopia where advertising, commercialism, and cultural anti-intellectualism run rampant and dysgenic pressure has resulted in a uniformly stupid human society devoid of intellectual curiosity, social responsibility and coherent notions of justice and human rights. Rather, this future society emphasizes anti-intellectualism, popularity, sexual attraction, and hedonism. Despite its lack of a major theatrical release, the film has achieved a cult following.[1]


Plot During the prologue, a narrator (Earl Mann) explains that in modern society, natural selection is indifferent toward intelligence. In a society in which stupid people easily out-breed the intelligent, the result is a crumbling Earth.


In 2005, Corporal Joe Bauers (Luke Wilson), a US Army librarian has been selected for an Army hibernation experiment by virtue of being exceptionally 'average' - including having a perfectly average 100 IQ. He is joined in the experiment by Rita (Maya Rudolph), a prostitute whose pimp, Upgrayedd (Brad 'Scarface' Jordan),
(pronounced as "Upgrade") is paid to make sure she is not missed. The experiment was supposed to last a year, but the experiment is forgotten when the officer in charge, Lieutenant Colonel Collins, is arrested for having started a prostitution ring with Upgrayedd. The military base is demolished, and a Fuddruckers (gradually renamed to "Buttfuckers") is built on the site.


Five hundred years in the future, Joe and Rita's hibernation chambers are jarred open by an enormous garbage avalanche. Joe crashes into the apartment of Frito Pendejo (Dax Shepard), a typical idiot of the future, with an apartment full of junk food and a prominent, giant television that is covered with advertisements.


Joe heads to the hospital where he receives a diagnosis from stoned Doctor Lexus (Justin Long) of being "'tarded", "fucked up" and "talking like a fag". Seeing a date of 2505 on a magazine, Joe realizes that half a millennium has passed since 2005 and, confused, flees the hospital. Joe is arrested for not paying his hospital bill and for not having a barcode tattoo, which all residents have imprinted on their left arm.


Meanwhile, Rita is not as shocked to see the newly changed world and quickly learns to take advantage of the lower intelligence of those around her to earn money as a prostitute without even having intercourse.


At his trial, Joe's public defense lawyer is Frito Pendejo. Joe is imprisoned. The I.D.-tattoo machine interprets Joe's confused response and he is named "Not Sure." Joe takes an IQ test before easily escaping jail. Joe returns to Frito's apartment, asking him if a time machine exists to help him return to 2005.


Frito claims there is one, but agrees to help only after Joe promises him billions of dollars. En route to the time machine, Joe and Frito find Rita. Frito leads them to a massive Costco, where Joe is arrested again after his bar code is accidentally scanned. Instead of being returned to jail, Joe is taken to the White House to be signed in as the new Secretary of the Interior.


President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho (Terry Alan Crews), a former porn star and professional wrestler, says Joe's IQ test showed Joe was the smartest man alive. In a speech the President charges Joe with solving the world's problems: food shortages, dust bowls, and a crippled economy. If he does not solve the problems within a week, the President will kick him in the nuts and send him back to prison.


Though Joe initially professes that he knows nothing of resolving these issues, when he discovers that the crops are watered with a Gatorade-like sports drink named "Brawndo", he finds himself knowledgeable enough to correct the problem. The narrator comments that "Brawndo has replaced water virtually everywhere" and that Brawndo purchased the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and Federal Communications Commission. In response to Joe's plan to switch to plain water, White House cabinet members continuously repeat the Brawndo tag line, "Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes", but Joe convinces them.


Unbeknownst to Joe, half the country works for Brawndo and his decision to use water in the fields causes the company's stock to plummet, leading to massive layoffs and unemployment, apparently without improving the crop situation.


The angry population riots, and Joe is sentenced to "Rehabilitation", a demolition derby featuring undefeated "Rehabilitation Officer" Beef Supreme (Andrew Wilson).



Meanwhile, Rita discovers that Joe's reintroduction of water to the soil has finally made vegetation sprout in the fields. Frito shows the thriving crops on stadium's big screen. The President gives Joe a full pardon.


Joe decides to stay and help repair civilization and the President names Joe Vice President. He later finds that the time machine spoken of earlier is simply a highly inaccurate amusement park history ride. Joe is subsequently elected to the presidency. Joe and Rita marry and have the world's three smartest children, while Frito, now Joe's Vice President, takes eight wives and fathers thirty-two of the world's stupidest children, echoing the introduction to the film.


After the credits, a third hibernation capsule is shown opening, releasing a snappily dressed Upgrayedd intent on tracking down Rita.


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