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servantforuse -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/21/2011 11:55:23 AM)

Given directly the the DNC no doubt. Where is the money ?




tazzygirl -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/21/2011 12:02:40 PM)

How much has the company raised in total?

Over 1 Billion.

How much has been given by the US?

529 million.

All research and design has been performed where?

The US.

Can you show the research and design has not cost that much?




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/21/2011 12:54:16 PM)

Did someone say Finland?  Sorry, I just can't resist.

http://youtu.be/JGWqtwhS2KY




NewOCDaddy -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/21/2011 1:30:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Given directly the the DNC no doubt. Where is the money ?


No it will have to take a couple of transactions to funnel it back to the DNC. A couple of million, say, for a couple of years of salary for the R&D staff...not bad work. Probably only cost the taxpayers $520,000 per job year.




mnottertail -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/21/2011 1:32:14 PM)

3-5 profiles all the time and you still can't get no pussy? You should save one for the other side so they don't come out here and see you, and you might be able to bullshit them.





Politesub53 -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/21/2011 6:11:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

3-5 profiles all the time and you still can't get no pussy? You should save one for the other side so they don't come out here and see you, and you might be able to bullshit them.




Several profiles and not a brain between them.




Masta808 -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/21/2011 7:29:39 PM)

What the government should have done is NOT to subsidies anything at all. NO oil, NO Farm, NO small business, NO Road, No Defense, NO Housing, NO energy, No Health, No Science, No Religious, NO art subsidies at all.

If they had a provision to keep the to Force the business to keep the jobs in America. It would be Anti-Capitalist, Anti-Business, and Anti-Free Market aka GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS HURTING BUSINESS.






SternSkipper -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/21/2011 9:09:59 PM)

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3-5 profiles all the time and you still can't get no pussy? You should save one for the other side so they don't come out here and see you, and you might be able to bullshit them.


But that would spoil his 'rejection magic'





SternSkipper -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/21/2011 9:11:55 PM)

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What the government should have done is NOT to subsidies anything at all. NO oil, NO Farm, NO small business, NO Road, No Defense, NO Housing, NO energy, No Health, No Science, No Religious, NO art subsidies at all.

If they had a provision to keep the to Force the business to keep the jobs in America. It would be Anti-Capitalist, Anti-Business, and Anti-Free Market aka GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS HURTING BUSINESS.


They should also bring back "Flint Toolmaking" as a core requirement.




SternSkipper -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/21/2011 9:13:02 PM)

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Several profiles and not a brain between them.


There's a brain PS... just not his




Masta808 -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/21/2011 10:12:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Given directly the the DNC no doubt. Where is the money ?

Exactly they SHOULDNT copy what other corporations are doing when they donate to Conservative Super PACs.




servantforuse -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/21/2011 10:44:01 PM)

It seems like the libs in collarme land have no problem with this loan. Another reason why Obama is on his way out.




tazzygirl -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/21/2011 10:52:02 PM)

How much, servant?




servantforuse -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/21/2011 10:55:26 PM)

How about $100.00.. that he is not re elected. You pick the charity..




servantforuse -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/21/2011 11:03:27 PM)

Tazzy, Be honest. Do you think a loan like this is ok ?




tazzygirl -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/21/2011 11:26:00 PM)

Sorry, I dont have enough information to make that determination.

I do know the company wasnt given EPA clearance to even sell the car until last week.

I do know they bought a plant.

I do know they are now producing in Finland.

My issue with the loan is for a car that costs $100,000. They took money, hard earned money, from the wallets of every worker to give to a company to build a car most of this country will never be able to afford.

What pisses me off is that if I were to go to the SBA to get a loan, I would have to prove I had the ability to repay the loan and the means to provide the product or service. Doesnt seem this effort was taken here.

What pisses me off even more is the lack of accountability to the people... what have they done with the money? Was it all spent in California? Or was it transferred by smoke and mirrors to Finland to buy and develop a plant there?

Who is our government is supposed to be overseeing this project? You cant honestly expect me to believe we gave out all that money and no one knows what happened to it. That will never wash with me.

A quick google revealed this.

But Energy Department spokesman Dan Leistikow said none of the U.S. loan money contributed to the production work in Finland.

"The Department's funding was only used for the U.S. operations," Energy Department spokesman Dan Leistikow wrote. "The money could not be, and was not, spent on overseas operations. The Karma also relies on an extensive network of hundreds of suppliers in more than a dozen U.S. states."

He said the first part of the loan, $169 million, supported engineering work at Fisker's U.S. facilities as the company "developed the tools, equipment and manufacturing processes for Fisker's first vehicle" -- though that work so far has not contributed to a production line in the U.S.

But Leistikow said the rest of the loan is still supporting U.S. production of another vehicle line called the Nina.

"Fisker is using this funding to bring a shuttered General Motors plant in Delaware back to life and employing more than 2,500 workers. Fisker was attracted to this site in part by the opportunity to rehire some of the trained, dedicated workers who lost their jobs when that plant closed," Leistikow said. The department later clarified that 120 workers have been hired at the site to date, with the rest set to be hired by early 2013.
For the Karma line, founder Henrik Fisker reportedly claimed the company could not find a manufacturer in the U.S. for the job. So the production went to Finnish company Valmet Automotive, along with 500 manufacturing jobs.

A company spokesman told FoxNews.com that Fisker had "explored the possibility of producing the Karma in the U.S."
"However, there are no contract manufacturers like Valmet in the U.S., and none of the established domestic automakers were willing to partner with Fisker to provide an manufacturing option in the U.S. that would work for the Karma program," the spokesman said.






Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/21/energy-department-defends-loan-to-company-building-electric-cars-in-finland/#ixzz1bUN4pxze

With a price tag of 45,000,its cheaper than the Karma. Perhaps we are better off building that one here.




kalikshama -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/22/2011 8:00:20 AM)

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What the government should have done is NOT to subsidies anything at all. NO oil, NO Farm, NO small business, NO Road, No Defense, NO Housing, NO energy, No Health, No Science, No Religious, NO art subsidies at all.


In 2004, I was in Costa Rica near Panama and when a bridge washed out it stayed that way until the locals got together and fixed it. Frankly, I prefer paying taxes for roads.

Have you had experience with a system other than the one you're complaining about?

Oh, and when I went to Golfito to fly back to San Jose, the airport was closed due to a problem with the (gravel) runway. Give me building codes!












popeye1250 -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/22/2011 12:32:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

There really should be a clause in these contracts when the government loans money to companies like this, "All work to be done in the United States" if not, they pay back the money immidatly.


I thought there was. And, he just signed a new "trade deal" with S. Korea, Chile, and Colombia. How many millions of jobs will that cost us?
And where did (that) come from, certainly not The People!
And who was he paying back with that?
"Transparency" has become a brick wall.
It really makes you wonder just whose "interests" our govt. is serving.
(Ok, everyone in here who is having a tough time living without products made in S. Korea, Chile and Colombia raise your hands.)




Moonhead -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/22/2011 12:41:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
It really makes you wonder just whose "interests" our govt. is serving.

Wall Street's interests. Same as the last three or four governments have. If you have a problem with that, maybe you should be out occupying somewhere, rather than whining like a schoolgirl on the internet?




Lucylastic -> RE: Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland (10/22/2011 12:53:28 PM)

since reagan and thatcher... money management was the thing to be in
all the yuppie stock brokers and hedge fund people speculators, financial managers... poncey pencil pushers and bean counters getting thousands for dealing in other peoples money and scamming their thousands a month and porsches. Fuck the unionsfuck the working joe....now investors now think they are the most important beings in the universe ...the bottom line...."everyone is doing it why shouldnt I" mentality, "use the technology fuck the worker who just costs money. let him retrain, altho we need to make the costs so high they cant repay their debts" we dont need a kajillion trained personel, but by the time they realise they are fucked, we will be sitting pretty.
Yep started way back then




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