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hardcybermaster -> jail terms for inciting riots (10/18/2011 4:50:33 PM)
If we know one thing for certain about the England riots, it's that the public have been urging the courts to dish out some serious punishment. The Court of Appeal, which plays a crucial role in intervening in sentencing, has finally had its say - and England's top judges haven't held back in reflecting the public anger. The Lord Chief Justice, Lord Judge, and his senior colleagues Lord Justice Leveson and Sir John Thomas, have delivered a judgement that unambiguously supports most of the long sentences handed down so far. Two of the appellants were the men jailed for four years apiece for encouraging rioting via Facebook anyone here know of someone encouraging rioting?

Aneirin -> RE: jail terms for inciting riots (10/18/2011 5:54:33 PM)
What many of the silent would like to know, is the zeal of capture, and sentencing displayed by the authorities no where matches their usual behaviour when it comes to run of the mill criminals that include rapists and murderers. It almost seems as here is a different code, the populace can live with threat posed my normal criminals, but anyone who dares to attack authority it's a whole different story. And now we know what the plethora of cctv cameras are for, they are not to prevent crime, they are so the police can pick up those recorded after the fact. But in many cases those rounded up and punished received disproportunate sentences, the likes of which those that actually prey on the public , the criminals never seem to receive. The thought by many, is this was not justice, but political revenge.

DarkSteven -> RE: jail terms for inciting riots (10/18/2011 7:28:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster anyone here know of someone encouraging rioting? Every single soccer match in the UK, seems like.

LafayetteLady -> RE: jail terms for inciting riots (10/18/2011 7:40:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin What many of the silent would like to know, is the zeal of capture, and sentencing displayed by the authorities no where matches their usual behaviour when it comes to run of the mill criminals that include rapists and murderers. It almost seems as here is a different code, the populace can live with threat posed my normal criminals, but anyone who dares to attack authority it's a whole different story. And now we know what the plethora of cctv cameras are for, they are not to prevent crime, they are so the police can pick up those recorded after the fact. But in many cases those rounded up and punished received disproportunate sentences, the likes of which those that actually prey on the public , the criminals never seem to receive. The thought by many, is this was not justice, but political revenge. Since I'm sure you have access to the criminal proceedings of EVERY rapists, EVERY murderer, and EVERY criminal, I can see why you would make such a statement. These people encouraged others to commit crimes. In the US that is a serious offense. Being given FOUR years is nothing. The reality is that you only know about the crimes your media feels are sensational enough to print. You know nothing of what is actually going on in the court room, and nothing of trials. Of course, there is always the option of moving somewhere else if you think it is so horrible there. Come here. You won't get your meds, or medical treatment, you won't be able to afford a roof over your head, and you can watch "Freedom of Speech" at its finest, a Ku Klux Klan rally.

Real0ne -> RE: jail terms for inciting riots (10/18/2011 7:55:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster If we know one thing for certain about the England riots, it's that the public have been urging the courts to dish out some serious punishment. The Court of Appeal, which plays a crucial role in intervening in sentencing, has finally had its say - and England's top judges haven't held back in reflecting the public anger. The Lord Chief Justice, Lord Judge, and his senior colleagues Lord Justice Leveson and Sir John Thomas, have delivered a judgement that unambiguously supports most of the long sentences handed down so far. Two of the appellants were the men jailed for four years apiece for encouraging rioting via Facebook anyone here know of someone encouraging rioting? its the fucking public that is rioting! LMAO So when they push the people far enough that they behead the fucking queen and parliment et al, will we get to see it on tv? I want to buy extra popcorn and beer!

Termyn8or -> RE: jail terms for inciting riots (10/19/2011 3:46:26 AM)
Popcorn and beer ? You are supposed to eat cake. T^T

Moonhead -> RE: jail terms for inciting riots (10/19/2011 4:14:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster If we know one thing for certain about the England riots, it's that the public have been urging the courts to dish out some serious punishment. Not something you know, as a matter of fact: the red tops have been calling for that, but most of the public haven't.

Aneirin -> RE: jail terms for inciting riots (10/19/2011 4:28:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin What many of the silent would like to know, is the zeal of capture, and sentencing displayed by the authorities no where matches their usual behaviour when it comes to run of the mill criminals that include rapists and murderers. It almost seems as here is a different code, the populace can live with threat posed my normal criminals, but anyone who dares to attack authority it's a whole different story. And now we know what the plethora of cctv cameras are for, they are not to prevent crime, they are so the police can pick up those recorded after the fact. But in many cases those rounded up and punished received disproportunate sentences, the likes of which those that actually prey on the public , the criminals never seem to receive. The thought by many, is this was not justice, but political revenge. Since I'm sure you have access to the criminal proceedings of EVERY rapists, EVERY murderer, and EVERY criminal, I can see why you would make such a statement. These people encouraged others to commit crimes. In the US that is a serious offense. Being given FOUR years is nothing. The reality is that you only know about the crimes your media feels are sensational enough to print. You know nothing of what is actually going on in the court room, and nothing of trials. Of course, there is always the option of moving somewhere else if you think it is so horrible there. Come here. You won't get your meds, or medical treatment, you won't be able to afford a roof over your head, and you can watch "Freedom of Speech" at its finest, a Ku Klux Klan rally. Didn't say it was so horrible here, so where you are getting that idea from, I just don't know, but I have personal experience of the matter, the actions of the police and the courts and crown court at that, and believe me what I personally experienced was totally different to what is going on with those who were recorded on cctv. Oh the crime two counts of attempted murder and robbery, the sentence; community service, hardly what those who robbed in these disturbances got for a crime that threatened no one's actual life.

Termyn8or -> RE: jail terms for inciting riots (10/19/2011 5:03:42 AM)
When the revolution comes the first thing you do is break open the prisons. The politically unacceptable are on your side and you just cut the real criminals loose on the "respectable population". That's the real reason prisons are so secure. T^T

Epytropos -> RE: jail terms for inciting riots (10/19/2011 6:02:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin What many of the silent would like to know, is the zeal of capture, and sentencing displayed by the authorities no where matches their usual behaviour when it comes to run of the mill criminals that include rapists and murderers. It almost seems as here is a different code, the populace can live with threat posed my normal criminals, but anyone who dares to attack authority it's a whole different story. And now we know what the plethora of cctv cameras are for, they are not to prevent crime, they are so the police can pick up those recorded after the fact. But in many cases those rounded up and punished received disproportunate sentences, the likes of which those that actually prey on the public , the criminals never seem to receive. The thought by many, is this was not justice, but political revenge. Since I'm sure you have access to the criminal proceedings of EVERY rapists, EVERY murderer, and EVERY criminal, I can see why you would make such a statement. These people encouraged others to commit crimes. In the US that is a serious offense. Being given FOUR years is nothing. The reality is that you only know about the crimes your media feels are sensational enough to print. You know nothing of what is actually going on in the court room, and nothing of trials. Of course, there is always the option of moving somewhere else if you think it is so horrible there. Come here. You won't get your meds, or medical treatment, you won't be able to afford a roof over your head, and you can watch "Freedom of Speech" at its finest, a Ku Klux Klan rally. In the interest of pissing off everyone I can, I'll give you the perspective of someone who has lived (briefly) in the UK and (for most of my life) in the US. Neither are good. Neither are free. Neither are places I would spend the rest of my life unless I was wealthy enough to buy off the cops and the pols. The UK is probably the worse of the two. As Aneirin touches on, the CCTV and the attitude which surrounds it is rather pervasive. It creates an atmosphere and an attitude of statism which I find quite stifling. I won't say there aren't places worse than either, but if I started cutting your arm off you wouldn't say "oh well, at least it's not my head!" now would you? America is more economically stratified, and I think probably more corporatist. I won't say that for a fact, because I'm not sure, but that is my impression. That translates to a concentration of political power in the UK as opposed to psuedo-capitalist corporatism in the US. Again, neither are good, but the American version is less blatant, less willing to openly tramp on the rights of the individual than that of the UK; Americans, contrary to the stereotypes, seem to favor a subtler, less invasive approach. As to the KKK, I wouldn't live in a country that didn't allow them their speech. If they do things which are actually injurious to others, they are prosecuted, and if they don't then it is none of our business what they say or think. Stick not thy nose into the business of others. To conclude, there is very little reason to try and compare the two, because both countries are utterly bum-jumped. Both need drastic, systematic overhaul, and neither is going to get it any time soon.

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