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jlf1961 -> More about vaccines.... Specifically MERCURY (10/12/2011 5:59:52 PM)

I waited 2 weeks to post anything concerning this subject, primarily to find out if, as postulated by some members of this forum, I would suffer any ill effects from getting my flu and pneumonia shots.  I am happy to announce that there have been no ill effects (I really didn't think there would be.)

I was curious about vaccines in general, mostly about those who don't or won't get them.  I found out that the smallpox vaccine is still offered by physicians, which I thought was eradicated years ago. 

My doctor recommended I do some research concerning vaccine preservatives.  When you look at thimerosal, the most important fact seems to be what form of mercury it is derived from, and what the FDA looks at as toxicity guidelines.

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The various mercury guidelines are based on epidemiological and laboratory studies of methyl mercury, whereas thimerosal is a derivative of ethyl mercury. Because they are different chemical entities - ethyl- versus methylmercury - different toxicological profiles are expected. There is, therefore, an uncertainty that arises in applying the methylmercury-based guidelines to thimerosal. Lacking definitive data on the comparative toxicities of ethyl- versus methylmercury, FDA considered ethyl- and methyl-mercury as equivalent in its risk evaluation.


Then the final note concerning children and mercury seemed to be significant.

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One final piece of data regarding thimerosal is worth noting. At the initial National Vaccine Advisory Committee-sponsored meeting on thimerosal in 1999, concerns were expressed that infants may lack the ability to eliminate mercury. More recent NIAID-supported studies at the University of Rochester and National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, MD examined levels of mercury in blood and other samples from infants who had received routine immunizations with thimerosal-containing vaccines. [Pichichero ME, et al. Lancet 360:1737-1741 (2002)] Blood levels of mercury did not exceed safety guidelines for methyl mercury for all infants in these studies. Further, mercury was cleared from the blood in infants exposed to thimerosal faster than would be predicted for methyl mercury; infants excreted significant amounts of mercury in stool after thimerosal exposure, thus removing mercury from their bodies. These results suggest that there are differences in the way that thimerosal and methyl mercury are distributed, metabolized, and excreted. Thimerosal appears to be removed from the blood and body more rapidly than methyl mercury. NIAID is sponsoring a follow-up study with larger numbers of infants in Buenos Aires where thimerosal-containing vaccines are still administered to children.       http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#tox


If you are afraid of the thermosal preservative, then do not get any vaccines at a free or low cost clinic where patients are seen en mass, since they are most likely using multi-dose vials.  Go to your doctor, which is more likely to use single dose vials.  It is a question of economics, large public clinics get a discount for buying the large quantities of vaccines, and thus get multi dose vials.

Furthermore, if you are afraid of mercury poisoning, or accumulated mercury toxicity, stay away from tuna fish, since it does contain mercury.  In fact the FDA recommends pregnant women limit their amount of tuna and other fish and seafood  in their diet since the mercury it contains could affect fetal brain development.

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However, nearly all fish and shellfish contain traces of mercury. For most people, the risk from mercury by eating fish and shellfish is not a health concern. Yet, some fish and shellfish contain higher levels of mercury that may harm an unborn baby or young child's developing nervous system. The risks from mercury in fish and shellfish depend on the amount of fish and shellfish eaten and the levels of mercury in the fish and shellfish. Therefore, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) are advising women who may become pregnant, pregnant women, nursing mothers, and young children to avoid some types of fish and eat fish and shellfish that are lower in mercury. By following these 3 recommendations for selecting and eating fish or shellfish, women and young children will receive the benefits of eating fish and shellfish and be confident that they have reduced their exposure to the harmful effects of mercury.
  1. Do not eat Shark, Swordfish, King Mackerel, or Tilefish because they contain high levels of mercury.
  2. Eat up to 12 ounces (2 average meals) a week of a variety of fish and shellfish that are lower in mercury.
    • Five of the most commonly eaten fish that are low in mercury are shrimp, canned light tuna, salmon, pollock, and catfish.
    • Another commonly eaten fish, albacore ("white") tuna has more mercury than canned light tuna. So, when choosing your two meals of fish and shellfish, you may eat up to 6 ounces (one average meal) of albacore tuna per week.

  3. Check local advisories about the safety of fish caught by family and friends in your local lakes, rivers, and coastal areas. If no advice is available, eat up to 6 ounces (one average meal) per week of fish you catch from local waters, but don't consume any other fish during that week.
Follow these same recommendations when feeding fish and shellfish to your young child, but serve smaller portions.     http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/Product-SpecificInformation/Seafood/FoodbornePathogensContaminants/Methylmercury/ucm115662.htm



If you want to know about the amount of preservatives in the various flu vaccines, see this source.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaxsupply.htm

Now let the foil hat members of this forum present facts (other than those from conspiracy theory websites) that can dispute the information.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: More about vaccines.... Specifically MERCURY (10/12/2011 10:09:46 PM)

Ill just comment on this:

"Do not eat Shark, Swordfish, King Mackerel, or Tilefish because they contain high levels of mercury"

Blanket statements like that don't serve anyone well. It depends on where the fish comes from. Open-sea fish off the coast of Hawaii don't show elevated levels of mercury for example. The statement also ignores the importance of the ratio of selenium to mercury, which again is generally beneficial in open-sea fish.




Real0ne -> RE: More about vaccines.... Specifically MERCURY (10/12/2011 10:14:33 PM)

what did you expect to keel over and die in 2 weeks?  LMAO

Take a shot of Nano-DU  and lets see what happens to you over the next 10 years. 

Making a case for higher levels of poison intake is losing it.

and the previous case made what that vaccines were pretty much useless and did nothing to prevent what was claimed complete with official charts that you and your ilk summarily ignored.

In MOST cases they could have given people saline and the target disease would have subsided at the same rate through our natural immunities.

Glad you got your flu shot! LOL

Oh and btw fish contain mercury as it occurs in nature, not mercury as a solvent,  LOL




Termyn8or -> RE: More about vaccines.... Specifically MERCURY (10/12/2011 11:47:00 PM)

"Now let the foil hat members of this forum present facts (other than those from conspiracy theory websites) that can dispute the information."

You just presented it yourself.

Avoid certain foods because they might be high in mercury ? That is right there in your post. And in there somewhere is a case made that it is OK to inject it ? So it's OK to inject it but not to eat it ? It makes for brain problems in the fetus if eaten by the pregnant Mother yet is safe to inject into the bloodstream.

I suppose in this day and age it makes perfect sense. Just wait until the drug manufacturers find something they can sell that has lead in it. Then all that money spent on lead based paint abatement will be for naught.

You really should post on that because I bet you have some interesting opinions about the fact that we have to test houses and apartments and do lead abatement if necessary because some people are such good Parents that they don't notice their kids eating the paint off the fucking walls.

I say people like that should just be injected with lead based paint and we'll see if it is dangerous or not. Mercury too, yummy ! Does a body good.

T^T




jlf1961 -> RE: More about vaccines.... Specifically MERCURY (10/13/2011 11:54:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Ill just comment on this:

"Do not eat Shark, Swordfish, King Mackerel, or Tilefish because they contain high levels of mercury"

Blanket statements like that don't serve anyone well. It depends on where the fish comes from. Open-sea fish off the coast of Hawaii don't show elevated levels of mercury for example. The statement also ignores the importance of the ratio of selenium to mercury, which again is generally beneficial in open-sea fish.


I was just saying what the FDA says about Mercury contamination in sea food.

The point I was trying to make is that the amount of mercury in thermosal is really no more than what is found in some sea food by weight. 

The fact that the vaccines, any vaccine, only contains mercury in multi dose units, which is only used in clinics or places where they provide free immunizations. 

The truth is there are two types of mercury, ethyl and methyl mercury, it is this methyl mercury that is more toxic.  Thermosal breaks down to ethyl mercury.  A point that seems to be forgotten by most of the people who are against vaccines.

There are a number of research programs looking for different preservatives to use in vaccines, so far none have provided an alternative that is as good as thermosal.

By the way, it is impossible to eliminate ALL mercury exposure to people.  Mercury occurs naturally in soil, water and other substances.   It does not help that mercury is the by product of many industrial processes power generation in coal burning power plants, how ever there have been great strides in limiting the mercury pollution over the years.

Finally, considering all the conspiracies concerning the flu vaccine, that it is meant to make people sick etc,  unless it may be one specific vaccine that they are talking about, I see very little validity in the scare tactics used by some.




LafayetteLady -> RE: More about vaccines.... Specifically MERCURY (10/13/2011 6:39:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"Now let the foil hat members of this forum present facts (other than those from conspiracy theory websites) that can dispute the information."

You just presented it yourself.

Avoid certain foods because they might be high in mercury ? That is right there in your post. And in there somewhere is a case made that it is OK to inject it ? So it's OK to inject it but not to eat it ? It makes for brain problems in the fetus if eaten by the pregnant Mother yet is safe to inject into the bloodstream.

I suppose in this day and age it makes perfect sense. Just wait until the drug manufacturers find something they can sell that has lead in it. Then all that money spent on lead based paint abatement will be for naught.

You really should post on that because I bet you have some interesting opinions about the fact that we have to test houses and apartments and do lead abatement if necessary because some people are such good Parents that they don't notice their kids eating the paint off the fucking walls.

I say people like that should just be injected with lead based paint and we'll see if it is dangerous or not. Mercury too, yummy ! Does a body good.

T^T


Actually Termy, an expectant mother should not be getting any vaccinations either. The difference there is the effect on the developing fetus.




Termyn8or -> RE: More about vaccines.... Specifically MERCURY (10/13/2011 6:52:22 PM)

Actually, I don't think the mercury is the only issue. Some of us have heard about the theories where DOCTORS are coming out and saying it is too much and their point is that the viruses mutate. My point is different, I think viruses always mutated and our immune system did along with them.

Think of it this way, if you put leg braces on a person who can walk for long enough, eventually they won't be able to walk. You cannot get strong without working out. You cannot focus your eyes without light. You cannot become immune to anything without exposure, and now Man seems to think he can expose you to everything.

This is where I differ, precisely where I disagree. If pumping in some mercury actually did, for sure, save a life in rare cases as a last resort, sure. But to line people up like cattle is wrong.

And of all those in the military bitching about it because they had a reaction, I know they are in the minority. But the fucking problem there is that they had no choice and therefore they are fucked over for having the wrong body chemistry.

How about that for a new form of discrimination ?

T^T




jlf1961 -> RE: More about vaccines.... Specifically MERCURY (10/13/2011 7:36:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"Now let the foil hat members of this forum present facts (other than those from conspiracy theory websites) that can dispute the information."

You just presented it yourself.

Avoid certain foods because they might be high in mercury ? That is right there in your post. And in there somewhere is a case made that it is OK to inject it ? So it's OK to inject it but not to eat it ? It makes for brain problems in the fetus if eaten by the pregnant Mother yet is safe to inject into the bloodstream.

I suppose in this day and age it makes perfect sense. Just wait until the drug manufacturers find something they can sell that has lead in it. Then all that money spent on lead based paint abatement will be for naught.

You really should post on that because I bet you have some interesting opinions about the fact that we have to test houses and apartments and do lead abatement if necessary because some people are such good Parents that they don't notice their kids eating the paint off the fucking walls.

I say people like that should just be injected with lead based paint and we'll see if it is dangerous or not. Mercury too, yummy ! Does a body good.

T^T


Actually Termy, an expectant mother should not be getting any vaccinations either. The difference there is the effect on the developing fetus.


This is true, expectant mothers are advised not to get vaccinations containing thermosal.

And considering that this also includes something Termy said, I would like to point out that over a life time of eating seafood, considering the popularity of fish and other sea foods, you actually are more exposed to more mercury than you would ever get exposed to in vaccinations.




LafayetteLady -> RE: More about vaccines.... Specifically MERCURY (10/13/2011 7:40:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Actually, I don't think the mercury is the only issue. Some of us have heard about the theories where DOCTORS are coming out and saying it is too much and their point is that the viruses mutate. My point is different, I think viruses always mutated and our immune system did along with them.

Think of it this way, if you put leg braces on a person who can walk for long enough, eventually they won't be able to walk. You cannot get strong without working out. You cannot focus your eyes without light. You cannot become immune to anything without exposure, and now Man seems to think he can expose you to everything.

This is where I differ, precisely where I disagree. If pumping in some mercury actually did, for sure, save a life in rare cases as a last resort, sure. But to line people up like cattle is wrong.

And of all those in the military bitching about it because they had a reaction, I know they are in the minority. But the fucking problem there is that they had no choice and therefore they are fucked over for having the wrong body chemistry.

How about that for a new form of discrimination ?

T^T


C'mon, you know I was only talking about the seafood/mercury/vaccines thing for pregant women.

Regardless of what you are saying, which I'm not sure whether I agree or disagree, I think that taking the precautions on KNOWN issues for a developing fetus is a pretty logical and smart thing to do.




DomKen -> RE: More about vaccines.... Specifically MERCURY (10/13/2011 8:41:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Actually, I don't think the mercury is the only issue. Some of us have heard about the theories where DOCTORS are coming out and saying it is too much and their point is that the viruses mutate. My point is different, I think viruses always mutated and our immune system did along with them.

Think of it this way, if you put leg braces on a person who can walk for long enough, eventually they won't be able to walk. You cannot get strong without working out. You cannot focus your eyes without light. You cannot become immune to anything without exposure, and now Man seems to think he can expose you to everything.

This is where I differ, precisely where I disagree. If pumping in some mercury actually did, for sure, save a life in rare cases as a last resort, sure. But to line people up like cattle is wrong.

And of all those in the military bitching about it because they had a reaction, I know they are in the minority. But the fucking problem there is that they had no choice and therefore they are fucked over for having the wrong body chemistry.

How about that for a new form of discrimination ?

T^T

You have got be kidding.

Polio vaccine ended polio in the developed world. Smallpox is all but extinct due to the vaccine. There used to be a flu pandemic that killed millions about once every 20 years, it is stopped cold every time due to widespread vaccinations. Measles, mumps and rubella are now so rare that most people have never seen anyone with any of them but before the vaccines each used to kill children every year.

Vaccines only work if enough of the population gets treated that the diseases cannot spread.




jlf1961 -> RE: More about vaccines.... Specifically MERCURY (10/13/2011 9:13:03 PM)

The one thing that people seem to forget is that diseases are only kept in check by vaccines.  Not all states require children to be vaccinated in order to attend school.

In 2008 a measles outbreak affected 15 states, the largest in 10 years.  250,000 children die from measles every year.  These deaths could be avoided with vaccinations.

Of course the people against vaccines dont give a damn when a child dies because they were not immunized.




Termyn8or -> RE: More about vaccines.... Specifically MERCURY (10/13/2011 11:46:18 PM)

UFR

"This is true, expectant mothers are advised not to get vaccinations containing thermosal."

Why do you think that is ?

"Regardless of what you are saying, which I'm not sure whether I agree or disagree, I think that taking the precautions on KNOWN issues for a developing fetus is a pretty logical and smart thing to do. "

Your choice. However some people have a problem with it and they SHOULD know their family history. I directed my research to making my being better, not humanity. I knew what kind of things happened in my family beofre I ever got interested in health at all. I and alot of my generation of my family went without alot of medical intervention. Vaccines, the few back then we got which were required for school were nothing compared to the barrage of them now. People express concerns over their own children and shit and people put them down. What is this a fucking religion now ? Seems like. We are all in the church of chemmunology, you are either for us or against us, God or the Devil, apostate or adversary, no middle ground, no room for us to think this out without the barrage of propoganda. Business as usual.

"Polio vaccine ended polio in the developed world. Smallpox is all but extinct due to the vaccine. There used to be a flu pandemic that killed millions about once every 20 years, it is stopped cold every time due to widespread vaccinations. Measles, mumps and rubella are now so rare that most people have never seen anyone with any of them but before the vaccines each used to kill children every year."

You just do not understand do you ? This is interfering wityh natural selection. I am not afraid to say that this may be WRONG to do. But then interfering with natural selection is something we do anyway, so it depends. The problem I have is in where the line is drawn. You see, many people may not know it but there is quite the contingent of people, religious or not, who would never seek a transplant for a vital organ, or in may cases not even accept a blood transfusion. I wouldn't knowingly.

And to you that makes me some kind of a nut. You know what, that is ust fine with me because I do know the world is all wrong, so if the world says I am wrong, I must be right.

"250,000 children die from measles every year. These deaths could be avoided with vaccinations. "

So in the last ten years there are 2.5 million more. You got the monet for their health care and then jobs for them ? You got the tax money to support them because there are no jobs ?

You got the infrastructure ? You think an almost one percent increase in the population would make it better for us who are already here ? If you want to populate my planet with every fucking thing out there, it must be able to survive on it's own.

Doctors have never cured me of any disease. If I get a disease, they will also not cure me of a disease. I will live or die with that and really, no problem. Cling to life if that is your choice, I can take it or leave it.

T^T




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