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Is there a double standard here? - 10/12/2011 10:03:59 AM   
Fightdirecto


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Irish native identified as murder victim

An Irish immigrant shot to death near Nahant Avenue in Dorchester early Monday morning has been identified as Ciaran Conneely, 36, of Dorchester, according to Boston Police.

Conneely was originally from Galway, Ireland, police said. The murder was the city’s 50th so far this year.

The details surrounding the incident are unclear and investigators encourage anyone with information to come forward, police said.


Tragic, right? Of course it is – anyone murdered in such a manner is a tragic event.

However -

Mr. Conneely, as reported in other news articles, was an undocumented, illegal immigrant from Ireland who had been living and working in South Boston, Massachusetts for over 12 years and worked for various local construction companies.

I could not help reflecting, however, of how differently this story of the life and tragic death of Mr. Conneely might have been reported if he were, for example, Mr. Tomas Santiago, an illegal from, say, Mexico who had been living and working in Boston for 12 years (as Mr. Conneely had). If it had been the hypothetical Mexican Mr. Santiago that had been murdered rather than the late Irish Mr Conneely, newspapers would write editorials and columns and talk-radio commentators would fill the air waves with comments complaining about why was this undocumented, illegal immigrant allowed to live in the United States for 12 years without being arrested, imprisoned and deported. They would write or talk about the criminality of those who supported, protected and shielded this undocumented, illegal immigrant and failed to turn him in to ICE. They would write or talk about how the owners of the various construction companies this undocumented, illegal immigrant worked for these past 12 years should be punished for hiring this undocumented, illegal immigrant.

We seem to have a double standard regarding illegal immigrants here in the United States. If they are Hispanic or Asian, we must ferret them out, regardless of the financial cost, imprison them and quickly deport them. If they are from Ireland like Mr. Conneely, we welcome them, support them, protect them and would never consider turning them over to ICE to be deported. If any of my Irish or Scots relatives were to sneak into the United States illegally (without my knowledge, of course ], I doubt if they would ever have to worry about ICE - they speak English (albeit with Irish or Scots accents) and look Anglo-Saxon.

In 2007, we had a great deal of local and national news coverage when Michael Bianco, Inc., in New Bedford, Massachusetts was raided and the majority of the workers, 361 illegal immigrants from Central America, were arrested, shipped to a prison in Texas and deported. A particular columnist from one of the Boston newspapers (the Boston Herald) wrote applauding ICE for the deportations and complaining that such action should have taken place sooner. But the same columnist, a few months later, wrote attacking the same ICE officers for deporting an Irish illegal and his wife who had been running a roofing business in Massachusetts for 15 plus years.

Hypothetically, what would be the reaction; nationally, internationally and locally; if ICE conducted a massive raid in South Boston (the predominantly Irish and Irish-American section of Boston), arrested 360 illegal Irish immigrants, held them in a Texas prison until deporting them to Ireland?

I shudder at the thought.




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RE: Is there a double standard here? - 10/12/2011 12:32:34 PM   
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RE: Is there a double standard here? - 10/12/2011 12:41:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I know of some stories where Irish people were not treated particularly well, understandably so where some were there illegally but in one case a woman had only stayed a single day extra in the US after her visa expired. When she came back she was taken away at the airport, imprisoned for several days, treated aggressively and thrown back on a plane. A bit harsh when she had only come over to buy some prezzies in New York for Christmas...

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RE: Is there a double standard here? - 10/12/2011 1:02:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Being of Irish descent on both sides and having dual U.S./Irish citizenship I'd arrest and deport the illegal Irish aliens FIRST, just to set the example.
Fight, you also have to take into consideration who the governor of Massachusetts is, Duval Patrick who is in favor of giving illegal aliens "in state tuition" and a whole bunch of other things.
And look at Boston's mayor, Thomas "Mumbles" Menino, who thinks illegals shouldn't be charged for "minor crimes" like car theft!
And just recently in neighboring Vermont three illegals were pulled over going 80 mph. The governor came right out on the News and said something to the effect ....."turning a blind eye to illegals in the state!"
Where's "equal protection under the law?"
As for hypocracy (or a double standard) you could go to Los Angeles and read their newspapers and find the same thing as in the Boston newspapers.
ALL illegal aliens should be deported. But, we only have 4,400 Ice Officers for the whole country. If we had 40,000 we could make one hell of a dent in the problem in three or four years, couldn't we?
And as Thompson said we need to start imprisoning people who hire them. Three to five years in a federal pen will cure them of that bad habit.
I know a lot of people in the Boston area and they're all for deporting all illegals, the problem lies with those in govt. who refuse to do their jobs in this area, not The People.

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RE: Is there a double standard here? - 10/12/2011 1:21:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		there is definitely a double standard. i seriously doubt there will be any kind of "conservative outcry" because an irish guy looks like them and is, therefore, a-ok. but those scary brown people? that's another story. 

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RE: Is there a double standard here? - 10/12/2011 1:22:02 PM   
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RE: Is there a double standard here? - 10/12/2011 1:22:57 PM   
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RE: Is there a double standard here? - 10/12/2011 1:23:32 PM   
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RE: Is there a double standard here? - 10/12/2011 1:31:22 PM   
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RE: Is there a double standard here? - 10/12/2011 1:33:57 PM   
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RE: Is there a double standard here? - 10/12/2011 1:42:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

there is definitely a double standard. i seriously doubt there will be any kind of "conservative outcry" because an irish guy looks like them and is, therefore, a-ok. but those scary brown people? that's another story. 


What's a "brown person?" And what does a person's skin color have to do with their legal status in the U.S.?


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RE: Is there a double standard here? - 10/12/2011 2:20:33 PM   
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RE: Is there a double standard here? - 10/12/2011 2:29:20 PM   
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But to answer the question posed by the op......yes,of course there is and always has been.
Allow me to add that the "color yellow" has also been frowned upon in matters of immigration policy.....nothing new here,one can never be too careful when establishing a homegenous white nation

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RE: Is there a double standard here? - 10/13/2011 4:57:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

there is definitely a double standard. i seriously doubt there will be any kind of "conservative outcry" because an irish guy looks like them and is, therefore, a-ok. but those scary brown people? that's another story. 

What about Phil Lynott?
Would he have been an acceptable Irish illegal, or a scary non caucasian illegal?

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RE: Is there a double standard here? - 10/13/2011 7:40:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

there is definitely a double standard. i seriously doubt there will be any kind of "conservative outcry" because an irish guy looks like them and is, therefore, a-ok. but those scary brown people? that's another story. 


What's a "brown person?" And what does a person's skin color have to do with their legal status in the U.S.?



Apparently to some people it means everything. Why else would they bring it into every thread they post on.


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RE: Is there a double standard here? - 10/13/2011 7:41:41 AM   
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a homegenous white nation


That just sounds nasty. Kinda reminds me of a bowl of cold oatmeal. Who the fuck would want to live with that kind of image.


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RE: Is there a double standard here? - 10/13/2011 7:48:18 AM   
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a homegenous white nation


That just sounds nasty. Kinda reminds me of a bowl of cold oatmeal. Who the fuck would want to live with that kind of image.



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