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Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By DOJ... - 10/11/2011 9:25:36 PM   
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"One month to the day after the 10th anniversary of 9/11 comes a sobering moment in the history of the U.S. war on terror: The Department of Justice has charged that "factions of the Iranian government" plotted to assassinate Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States by blowing him up inside a Washington, D.C., restaurant.

Had it succeeded, this would have constituted an act of terror by the Islamic Republic of Iran on U.S. soil, and arguably an act of war. To those, notably an emerging isolationist wing in the Republican party, who've argued lately that the U.S. should pull its efforts back from a waning international terrorist threat to focus on domestic concerns, this event is a wake-up call."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203633104576625260808261024.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/11/2011 10:12:22 PM   
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I don't buy a fucking word of it. They have no fucking reason. Factions of the Iranian government ? Factions of the US government conspired to blow up the WTC, proven fact - IN 1991 (or 1993 or something). Factions of the US governmeny plotted to, and actually did assassinate the sitting President of a sovereign nation on their own soil - Predident Diem of VietNam.

Factions of the US government let off a drug dealer who brought in 1.5 million hits of ecstacy and let him do his couple of years in Israel, paid off bankers to setup ripping off the US public AGAIN in a couple of years, and undermine the Contitution every fucking day, and literally steal the wealth from the best and brightest of our progeny to feed their greedy fucking friends by printing ever more money for their own gain.

Factions ? If we hold the country and citizens of another country culpable for the actions of factions, then why should we not be held to the same standard ?

I'm sure you got something of a propogandist nature to spew now, being a flag waver. Yay yay USA. We are number one ! We can kill anyone !

Our claim to fame. Be fucking proud.

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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/12/2011 2:41:38 AM   
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nail his ass he becomes a hero stopping a terror plot etc gag me. The only thing they are claiming happened was someone sent $100,000 to one of the terror suspects and then a lot of hearsay . You could tell they were grasping at straws to put the story together as they gave their press conference. Now they are calling it an act of war from Iran. I don't know about the rest of you but I wasn't born yesterday.

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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/12/2011 3:12:13 AM   
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All these oil bearing countries, I wonder would the public appeal be as great with a non wealthy country.

As to remember for a government to prosecute a war overseas, first one's own public have at least to know about and better to support.

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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/12/2011 4:58:56 AM   
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Holder ends press conference after questions on Fast and Furious...

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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/12/2011 5:05:10 AM   
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Factions of the US governmeny plotted to, and actually did assassinate the sitting President of a sovereign nation on their own soil - Predident Diem of VietNam.


Technically it did not happen on vietnamese soil. He was in an apc when there was an "accidental" discharge of an automatic weapon. Fortunately diem was the only casualty (none of the marines in the apc at the time were injured).

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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/12/2011 7:56:27 AM   
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I agree with Termyn8or 100% and the timing here is suspicious. Eric holder has been caught lying about his involvement in "fast and furious" and just as they are about to
nail his ass he becomes a hero stopping a terror plot etc gag me. The only thing they are claiming happened was someone sent $100,000 to one of the terror suspects and then a lot of hearsay . You could tell they were grasping at straws to put the story together as they gave their press conference. Now they are calling it an act of war from Iran. I don't know about the rest of you but I wasn't born yesterday.

Can you show us the evidence of this "lying".

I call billshit.

Republican bullshit.

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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/12/2011 8:16:20 AM   
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I agree with Termyn8or 100% and the timing here is suspicious. Eric holder has been caught lying about his involvement in "fast and furious" and just as they are about to
nail his ass he becomes a hero stopping a terror plot etc gag me. The only thing they are claiming happened was someone sent $100,000 to one of the terror suspects and then a lot of hearsay . You could tell they were grasping at straws to put the story together as they gave their press conference. Now they are calling it an act of war from Iran. I don't know about the rest of you but I wasn't born yesterday.

Can you show us the evidence of this "lying".

I call billshit.

Republican bullshit.


Here's just one source of just some of the evidence that Eric Holder lied to Congress about his knowledge of "Fast and Furious".

"CBSNEWS

October 3, 2011 5:59 PM
ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed in July 2010

WASHINGTON - New documents obtained by CBS News show Attorney General Eric Holder was sent briefings on the controversial Fast and Furious operation as far back as July 2010. That directly contradicts his statement to Congress.

On May 3, 2011, Holder told a Judiciary Committee hearing, "I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks."

Yet internal Justice Department documents show that at least ten months before that hearing, Holder began receiving frequent memos discussing Fast and Furious."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20115038-10391695.html

BTW: Eric Holder was subpoena'd this morning.

Now then, I just proved your Democrat/Liberal/Obamaminion bullshit is in fact BULL$HIT.

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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/12/2011 8:35:41 AM   
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I agree with Termyn8or 100% and the timing here is suspicious. Eric holder has been caught lying about his involvement in "fast and furious" and just as they are about to
nail his ass he becomes a hero stopping a terror plot etc gag me. The only thing they are claiming happened was someone sent $100,000 to one of the terror suspects and then a lot of hearsay . You could tell they were grasping at straws to put the story together as they gave their press conference. Now they are calling it an act of war from Iran. I don't know about the rest of you but I wasn't born yesterday.


Here's just one source of just some of the evidence that Eric Holder lied to Congress about his knowledge of "Fast and Furious".

"CBSNEWS

October 3, 2011 5:59 PM
ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed in July 2010

WASHINGTON - New documents obtained by CBS News show Attorney General Eric Holder was sent briefings on the controversial Fast and Furious operation as far back as July 2010. That directly contradicts his statement to Congress.

On May 3, 2011, Holder told a Judiciary Committee hearing, "I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks."

Yet internal Justice Department documents show that at least ten months before that hearing, Holder began receiving frequent memos discussing Fast and Furious."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20115038-10391695.html

BTW: Eric Holder was subpoena'd this morning.

Now then, I just proved your Democrat/Liberal/Obamaminion bullshit is in fact BULL$HIT.


You fucking people amaze me.

You want to try to redirect this to another issue that has nothing to do with the topic just so you can criticize this administration.

If this had happened under Bush you would be waving the flag and creaming in your panties over how he kept our country safe.

U.S. says it foiled Iranian-backed plot to assassinate Saudi ambassador

"According to the complaint, Arbabsiar also admitted to agents that, in connection with this plot, he was recruited, funded, and directed by men he understood to be senior officials in Iran's Qods Force," the FBI press release said.

"Arbabsiar allegedly told agents that his cousin,"--identified by the Treasury Department as Abdul Reza Shahlai'--"a senior IRGC-[Qods Force] official and deputy to [Shakuri], who he had long understood to be a senior member of the Qods Force, had approached him in the early spring of 2011 about recruiting narco-traffickers to kidnap the Ambassador," the FBI document states.

"Arbabsiar told agents that he then met with the [confidential source] CS-1 in Mexico and discussed assassinating the Ambassador," the FBI document said. "According to the complaint, Arbabsiar said that, afterwards, he met several times in Iran with Shakuri and another senior Qods Force official, where he explained that the plan was to blow up a restaurant in the United States frequented by the Ambassador and that numerous bystanders could be killed, according to the complaint. The plan was allegedly approved by these officials"






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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/12/2011 9:06:38 AM   
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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/12/2011 9:08:07 AM   
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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/12/2011 9:13:55 AM   
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Had it succeeded, this would have constituted an act of terror by the Islamic Republic of Iran on U.S. soil, and arguably an act of war. To those, notably an emerging isolationist wing in the Republican party, who've argued lately that the U.S. should pull its efforts back from a waning international terrorist threat to focus on domestic concerns, this event is a wake-up call."


Dammit. Not that crap again.
So one guy supposedly is almost but not even close blown up, and suddenly all the funding needs to go away even further from domestic concerns?


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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/12/2011 9:16:43 AM   
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And no one got tortured!...Yeah!!

"One month to the day after the 10th anniversary of 9/11 comes a sobering moment in the history of the U.S. war on terror: The Department of Justice has charged that "factions of the Iranian government" plotted to assassinate Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States by blowing him up inside a Washington, D.C., restaurant.

Had it succeeded, this would have constituted an act of terror by the Islamic Republic of Iran on U.S. soil, and arguably an act of war. To those, notably an emerging isolationist wing in the Republican party, who've argued lately that the U.S. should pull its efforts back from a waning international terrorist threat to focus on domestic concerns, this event is a wake-up call."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203633104576625260808261024.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

I beg to differ. Simply plotting to do this is an act of war. We let them get away with invading this nation once we simply cannot let them get away with this too.

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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/12/2011 9:19:31 AM   
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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/12/2011 9:21:58 AM   
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And no one got tortured!...Yeah!!

"One month to the day after the 10th anniversary of 9/11 comes a sobering moment in the history of the U.S. war on terror: The Department of Justice has charged that "factions of the Iranian government" plotted to assassinate Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States by blowing him up inside a Washington, D.C., restaurant.

Had it succeeded, this would have constituted an act of terror by the Islamic Republic of Iran on U.S. soil, and arguably an act of war. To those, notably an emerging isolationist wing in the Republican party, who've argued lately that the U.S. should pull its efforts back from a waning international terrorist threat to focus on domestic concerns, this event is a wake-up call."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203633104576625260808261024.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

I beg to differ. Simply plotting to do this is an act of war. We let them get away with invading this nation once we simply cannot let them get away with this too.


Are you advocating yet another war?


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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/12/2011 9:28:45 AM   
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You may have a point rml, this might go a lot deeper than just beinng a “Fast and Furious” smoke screen. This may be Obama trying to start a war with Iran as a smoke screen for ALL of his failed policies.



Do you mean the war with iran which ace mccain promised if he were elected?
Since you voted for ace mccain why are you unhappy when one of his desires may come to pass?

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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/12/2011 9:32:50 AM   
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I beg to differ. Simply plotting to do this is an act of war.

So you are saying that we need to go to war with every country in the world. Since virtually every country in the world has plans to attack virtually every other country in the world. Or did you not know this?

We let them get away with invading this nation once we simply cannot let them get away with this too.

When did iran invade the u.s.?

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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/12/2011 9:34:23 AM   
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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/12/2011 10:02:32 AM   
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And no one got tortured!...Yeah!!

"One month to the day after the 10th anniversary of 9/11 comes a sobering moment in the history of the U.S. war on terror: The Department of Justice has charged that "factions of the Iranian government" plotted to assassinate Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States by blowing him up inside a Washington, D.C., restaurant.

Had it succeeded, this would have constituted an act of terror by the Islamic Republic of Iran on U.S. soil, and arguably an act of war. To those, notably an emerging isolationist wing in the Republican party, who've argued lately that the U.S. should pull its efforts back from a waning international terrorist threat to focus on domestic concerns, this event is a wake-up call."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203633104576625260808261024.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

I beg to differ. Simply plotting to do this is an act of war. We let them get away with invading this nation once we simply cannot let them get away with this too.


Are you advocating yet another war?


I'm saying a state of war has existed between the US and Iran since 1979. It is long past time to end that situation.

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RE: Iran Plot To Assassinate Saudi Ambassador Foiled By... - 10/12/2011 10:34:18 AM   
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I agree with Termyn8or 100% and the timing here is suspicious. Eric holder has been caught lying about his involvement in "fast and furious" and just as they are about to
nail his ass he becomes a hero stopping a terror plot etc...............


That was my first thought too!! Listening to BBC World Service, some ex-CIA guy said there's something missing from this story. He said the Revolutionary Guards group that would be involved would have a lot more expertise than this "plot".

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