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Fightdirecto -> Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/7/2011 7:52:56 AM)

Herman Cain, Republican Presidential contender on 10-06-2011 to a FOX-TV interviewer:
quote:

Abraham Lincoln said it best: "You don't help the poor by hurting the rich."


Following in the footsteps of "Saint Ronnie" Reagan, who said in a speech at the 1992 Republican National Convention:
quote:

What they truly don't understand is the principle so eloquently stated by Abraham Lincoln: "You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich".


The problem is that Abraham Lincoln NEVER said this.

Snopes.com clearly details that these "Lincoln quotes" were actually written and published by an obscure anti-union activist named William John Henry Boetcker in 1916 - more than 50 years after Lincoln was assassinated.

As the researcher at Snopes noted, two axioms related to quoting others are:

1. Famous quotes need famous mouths

2. If the word we like cannot be credited to someone we've heard of, they might as well not have been said at all.

Mr. Cain may know how to make a pizza - but he doesn't know much about American history or the actual words of the Constitution of the United States of America Cain mistakes Declaration of Independence language for Constitution.

quote:

"We don’t need to rewrite the Constitution of the United States. We need to reread the Constitution and enforce the Constitution. And I know that there’s some people that are not going to do that. So, for the benefit for those that are not going to read it because they don’t want us to go by the Constitution, there’s a little section in there that talks about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. "You know, those ideals that we live by, we believe in, your parents believe in, they instilled in you. When you get to the part about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, don’t stop right there, keep reading."

The phrase, "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness", is in the second paragraph of the preamble of the Declaration of Independence, which was written in 1776, 11 years before the Constitution was drafted during the Constitutional Convention of 1787...

Confusing the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence is no small mistake, especially for a candidate for president, said Donald E. Wilkes Jr., a University of Georgia law professor. The Declaration is a statement of beliefs. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. "No court makes a legal decision based on the Declaration of Independence," Wilkes said.


IMO, Mr. Cain didn't intentionally quote an obscure anti-union activist and attribute his words to Abraham Lincoln - Mr. Cain was just too dumb or intellectually lazy to do his research.

However, if one of his Godfather pizza customers ordered a pepperoni pizza, and Cain's employee gave the customer an anchovie pizza instead - Mr. Cain would probably fire him for being too dumb to do the job. Shouldn't we hold Mr. Cain to that same standard when it comes to the job of President of the United States?




mnottertail -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/7/2011 8:02:57 AM)

He's a hella pizza cooker though.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/7/2011 9:37:36 AM)

Hey, Mr President Obama ... President Lincoln wasn't the founder of the Republican Party ... why would you say that on national television, to a joint session of Congress?

Oh, well.  Cain must be almost as dumb as you  are.  [8D][8|]

Firm




imperatrixx -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/7/2011 9:43:21 AM)

Obama's a fucking retard.

So is Cain.

/thread.




seekerofslut -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/7/2011 10:02:56 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: imperatrixx

Obama's a fucking retard.


His teleprompter will get the blame.




Sanity -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/7/2011 10:03:05 AM)


Why are ytou so raciist...




joether -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/7/2011 1:11:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Hey, Mr President Obama ... President Lincoln wasn't the founder of the Republican Party ... why would you say that on national television, to a joint session of Congress?

Oh, well.  Cain must be almost as dumb as you  are.  [8D][8|]


At least President Obama's mistake didnt cost us much.

quote:

George W. Bush, President, on September 16, 2001.
We need to go back to work tomorrow and we will. But we need to be alert to the fact that these evil-doers still exist. We haven't seen this kind of barbarism in a long period of time. No one could have conceivably imagined suicide bombers burrowing into our society and then emerging all in the same day to fly their aircraft — fly U.S. aircraft into buildings full of innocent people — and show no remorse. This is a new kind of — a new kind of evil. And we understand. And the American people are beginning to understand. This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while. And the American people must be patient. I'm going to be patient. But I can assure the American people I am determined, I'm not going to be distracted, I will keep my focus to make sure that not only are these brought to justice, but anybody who's been associated will be brought to justice. Those who harbor terrorists will be brought to justice. It is time for us to win the first war of the 21st century decisively, so that our children and our grandchildren can live peacefully into the 21st century.


Way to show 'winning hearts and mind' at the begining of two wars. How much (not just in borrowed dollars, but US Soldiers) did both wars cost us? Did we find those WMD's like we were told (because those were statements too)?

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George W. Bush, Nov 6, 2000.
Somalia. It started off as a humanitarian mission then changed into a nation-building mission and that's where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price, and so I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow a dictator when it's in our best interests. But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. And same with Haiti. I wouldn't have supported either.


And what did we do in Iraq and Afghanistan there Firm? If what President Obama said bothers you so much, but not what George W. Bush 'said & did', than I think you need to get your head examined for a number of different mental illnesses.




joether -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/7/2011 1:16:29 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: imperatrixx
Obama's a fucking retard.

So is Cain.


Then why dont you run for the President's office. If they are so 'retarded' compared to you; you should easily win on a third party ticket. Your 'supreme intelligence' and 'awesome charisma' will just 'naturally' carry you to the Oval Office. From there, you 'exceptional wisdom' can create a better, brighter, happier country. And after you leave office, we Americans will praise you as future politicans crawl/stumble/claw/bite/hammer over each other to imitate your 'abilities'.

You might want to ask your doctor to tone down on the medication you take.




StrangerThan -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/7/2011 1:50:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: imperatrixx
Obama's a fucking retard.

So is Cain.


Then why dont you run for the President's office. If they are so 'retarded' compared to you; you should easily win on a third party ticket. Your 'supreme intelligence' and 'awesome charisma' will just 'naturally' carry you to the Oval Office. From there, you 'exceptional wisdom' can create a better, brighter, happier country. And after you leave office, we Americans will praise you as future politicans crawl/stumble/claw/bite/hammer over each other to imitate your 'abilities'.

You might want to ask your doctor to tone down on the medication you take.


And then what? If Obama is nothing, he is a classic example of what happens when one gets to the Oval Office. He becomes part of the system, the same elect-me! crowd who stands in front of cameras all day and talks about rights, while pushing for Patriot 2.

Besides, I don't think it humanely possible to satisfy left and right to the point that both would be singing your praises.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/7/2011 1:53:24 PM)

You miss the entire point.

If someone wants to come in and bash someone with whom they disagree with politically, and basically call someone stupid, and idiot, moron, etc, etc, et al, be prepared to have your own particular political idols bashed as well.

Perhaps he still believes that Obama is a super-genius and without faults, and prays to him daily, I dunno, but to me, Obama is a man who can mis-speak, get it wrong, learn, screw up and still be human.  I don't agree with some of his policies, don't think he should be President, but I won't treat him the way Directo treats the people with whom he disagrees.

To people such as Directo, if you don't hew to his particular political philosophy, and if you mis-speak, get something wrong, change your mind, etc, then you are obviously a nincompoop who should be thrown to the ground and forbidden to engage in public discourse. He is not interested in conversation or debate.  He is only interested in trashing conservatives and conservative ideas.

I'll continue to call him on his BS when I see it.  This thread is bullshit.

Firm




joether -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/7/2011 4:11:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan
quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
quote:

ORIGINAL: imperatrixx
Obama's a fucking retard.

So is Cain.

Then why dont you run for the President's office. If they are so 'retarded' compared to you; you should easily win on a third party ticket. Your 'supreme intelligence' and 'awesome charisma' will just 'naturally' carry you to the Oval Office. From there, you 'exceptional wisdom' can create a better, brighter, happier country. And after you leave office, we Americans will praise you as future politicans crawl/stumble/claw/bite/hammer over each other to imitate your 'abilities'.

You might want to ask your doctor to tone down on the medication you take.

And then what? If Obama is nothing, he is a classic example of what happens when one gets to the Oval Office. He becomes part of the system, the same elect-me! crowd who stands in front of cameras all day and talks about rights, while pushing for Patriot 2.

Besides, I don't think it humanely possible to satisfy left and right to the point that both would be singing your praises.


I think the President had a wake up call to the reality that 'is' Washington. He went to the Oval Office believing (foolishly) that he could change the character and attitude that hung in that town like an ugly history. Little by little he's learned that the 'forces' (for lack of a better name) do not want the 'status quoe' to change. An those forces will do anything and everything to prevent the President (or anyone else) from making those changes. So unless Americans really want 'change they can believe in', their going to have to get off their butts, get involved with their goverment and do something about it.

Changing Washington would take a group of individuals who put principles ahead of profit. They have to get elected without being corrupted by the very thing that keeps the status quo in effect. Once elected, they must battle a daily (if not hourly) opposition to get real stuff down. This group would have to come from 'Middle America' (politically, NOT, literally). The kind of folks that are neither 'neo-cons' nor 'ultra-liberal'.

But just for the sake of the arguement. Who on the GOP's list of Presidental candidates *ISNT* for keeping Washington 'as is'? Ronmey? Perry? Buchmann? Paul? Cain? They'll all keep the status quo right were it is: benefitting a tiny group of Americans. Was that the ideal the Founding Fathers were hoping would become of America? That a tiny, ruling class would dictate down to the peons? Go ahead, bash the President if it makes you feel better. Of course, dont bitch when nothing changes after you vote Republican in the next election. I may disagree with the President on somethings, but at least he'll tell me his thinking (or how he arrived at his decision) like a sane and educated person. An for the moment, he seems to have America's best interests at heart.....all of America, not just certain parts.




Theon38 -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/7/2011 4:26:53 PM)

I think Obama should be called Ron Burgundy. The dude called his wife Michael when reading from a teleprompter.

I mean, I can understand being tired and thinking we have 58 States. And I can understand being so dense that you cannot even pronouncement corpse-man.

But calling your own wife Michael? Really?

It's pretty sad when you're dumber than Sarah Palin.




Masta808 -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/7/2011 5:33:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: seekerofslut

quote:

ORIGINAL: imperatrixx

Obama's a fucking retard.


His teleprompter will get the blame.



Exactly he needs to upgrade to Sarah Palin's Hand o prompter. Its way more portable than a teleprompter.




Masta808 -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/7/2011 5:39:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Theon38

I think Obama should be called Ron Burgundy. The dude called his wife Michael when reading from a teleprompter.

I mean, I can understand being tired and thinking we have 58 States. And I can understand being so dense that you cannot even pronouncement corpse-man.

But calling your own wife Michael? Really?

It's pretty sad when you're dumber than Sarah Palin.


Exactly our president should pronounce everything perfectly on the first try, Memorize every single speech he is going to give, and never make a fool of themselves. I m still waiting for that president, hell if anyone finds that person he should automatically be president.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/7/2011 7:00:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

Herman Cain, Republican Presidential contender on 10-06-2011 to a FOX-TV interviewer:
quote:

Abraham Lincoln said it best: "You don't help the poor by hurting the rich."


Following in the footsteps of "Saint Ronnie" Reagan, who said in a speech at the 1992 Republican National Convention:
quote:

What they truly don't understand is the principle so eloquently stated by Abraham Lincoln: "You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich".


The problem is that Abraham Lincoln NEVER said this.

Snopes.com clearly details that these "Lincoln quotes" were actually written and published by an obscure anti-union activist named William John Henry Boetcker in 1916 - more than 50 years after Lincoln was assassinated.

As the researcher at Snopes noted, two axioms related to quoting others are:

1. Famous quotes need famous mouths

2. If the word we like cannot be credited to someone we've heard of, they might as well not have been said at all.

Mr. Cain may know how to make a pizza - but he doesn't know much about American history or the actual words of the Constitution of the United States of America Cain mistakes Declaration of Independence language for Constitution.

quote:

"We don’t need to rewrite the Constitution of the United States. We need to reread the Constitution and enforce the Constitution. And I know that there’s some people that are not going to do that. So, for the benefit for those that are not going to read it because they don’t want us to go by the Constitution, there’s a little section in there that talks about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. "You know, those ideals that we live by, we believe in, your parents believe in, they instilled in you. When you get to the part about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, don’t stop right there, keep reading."

The phrase, "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness", is in the second paragraph of the preamble of the Declaration of Independence, which was written in 1776, 11 years before the Constitution was drafted during the Constitutional Convention of 1787...

Confusing the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence is no small mistake, especially for a candidate for president, said Donald E. Wilkes Jr., a University of Georgia law professor. The Declaration is a statement of beliefs. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. "No court makes a legal decision based on the Declaration of Independence," Wilkes said.


IMO, Mr. Cain didn't intentionally quote an obscure anti-union activist and attribute his words to Abraham Lincoln - Mr. Cain was just too dumb or intellectually lazy to do his research.

However, if one of his Godfather pizza customers ordered a pepperoni pizza, and Cain's employee gave the customer an anchovie pizza instead - Mr. Cain would probably fire him for being too dumb to do the job. Shouldn't we hold Mr. Cain to that same standard when it comes to the job of President of the United States?


Who gives a shit?

Your vote doesn't mean skadich.

The Electoral College elects the Prez.

What the fuck do you care what any of these bastards say (or mean)?

You don't matter today...and you never did.




Masta808 -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/7/2011 8:07:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

Herman Cain, Republican Presidential contender on 10-06-2011 to a FOX-TV interviewer:
quote:

Abraham Lincoln said it best: "You don't help the poor by hurting the rich."


Following in the footsteps of "Saint Ronnie" Reagan, who said in a speech at the 1992 Republican National Convention:
quote:

What they truly don't understand is the principle so eloquently stated by Abraham Lincoln: "You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich".


The problem is that Abraham Lincoln NEVER said this.

Snopes.com clearly details that these "Lincoln quotes" were actually written and published by an obscure anti-union activist named William John Henry Boetcker in 1916 - more than 50 years after Lincoln was assassinated.

As the researcher at Snopes noted, two axioms related to quoting others are:

1. Famous quotes need famous mouths

2. If the word we like cannot be credited to someone we've heard of, they might as well not have been said at all.

Mr. Cain may know how to make a pizza - but he doesn't know much about American history or the actual words of the Constitution of the United States of America Cain mistakes Declaration of Independence language for Constitution.

quote:

"We don’t need to rewrite the Constitution of the United States. We need to reread the Constitution and enforce the Constitution. And I know that there’s some people that are not going to do that. So, for the benefit for those that are not going to read it because they don’t want us to go by the Constitution, there’s a little section in there that talks about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. "You know, those ideals that we live by, we believe in, your parents believe in, they instilled in you. When you get to the part about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, don’t stop right there, keep reading."

The phrase, "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness", is in the second paragraph of the preamble of the Declaration of Independence, which was written in 1776, 11 years before the Constitution was drafted during the Constitutional Convention of 1787...

Confusing the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence is no small mistake, especially for a candidate for president, said Donald E. Wilkes Jr., a University of Georgia law professor. The Declaration is a statement of beliefs. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. "No court makes a legal decision based on the Declaration of Independence," Wilkes said.


IMO, Mr. Cain didn't intentionally quote an obscure anti-union activist and attribute his words to Abraham Lincoln - Mr. Cain was just too dumb or intellectually lazy to do his research.

However, if one of his Godfather pizza customers ordered a pepperoni pizza, and Cain's employee gave the customer an anchovie pizza instead - Mr. Cain would probably fire him for being too dumb to do the job. Shouldn't we hold Mr. Cain to that same standard when it comes to the job of President of the United States?


Who gives a shit?

Your vote doesn't mean skadich.

The Electoral College elects the Prez.

What the fuck do you care what any of these bastards say (or mean)?

You don't matter today...and you never did.



Yes that whole point of a Democracy. Why should the people care what their next president says, does, or did. Like the quote used before Abraham Lincoln never said "Government for the people, of the people, and by the people" its a liberal myth. Give up on politics and let the ruling class aka rich run the country similar to the Monarchy that ruled that governed America before the American Revolution.




erieangel -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/8/2011 12:36:11 AM)

 I am beginning to accept the fact that very few of our politicians actually know anything of American history.  The Republicans hail Reagan as some sort of god and they all try to emulate him while forgetting that he raised taxes on the rich something like 11 times(?).  Reagan also gave speeches in which he advocated to end tax loopholes that benefited only the rich.  Today, those same kind of speeches given by Obama--and I'm sure, if given by any Democratic president--sends the Republicans in fits, simply because they forgot that their 'god' had said the same things.

ETA:  I'm pretty sure it was 11 tax increases under Reagan, but I may be wrong.  I really don't have time to look up the stats right now.




StrangerThan -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/8/2011 3:04:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: erieangel

I am beginning to accept the fact that very few of our politicians actually know anything of American history.  The Republicans hail Reagan as some sort of god and they all try to emulate him while forgetting that he raised taxes on the rich something like 11 times(?).  Reagan also gave speeches in which he advocated to end tax loopholes that benefited only the rich.  Today, those same kind of speeches given by Obama--and I'm sure, if given by any Democratic president--sends the Republicans in fits, simply because they forgot that their 'god' had said the same things.

ETA:  I'm pretty sure it was 11 tax increases under Reagan, but I may be wrong.  I really don't have time to look up the stats right now.



Our politicians? Since the rest of your post is directed at the perceived lack of memory in the Republican party, why don't you just fix the first sentence? Or is there a democrat somewhere that can't remember yesterday either?

I'm struggling too with the very few part. Republicans are in the minority. That would imply that a greater percentage of democrats suffer the same condition if the intent truly was our politicians. Care to trot out your list of liberals and democrats that are afflicted? Or were you just doing a hit piece on Republicans and wanted to at least appear that you weren't doing all the things liberals hate, like stereotyping and profiling based upon political affiliation?

The best thing about being an independent is, we get to watch you all call each other stupid, ignorant, and anti-american. It's kind of like.. being the adult on a playground full of wanna be bullies.





imperatrixx -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/8/2011 5:58:40 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: imperatrixx
Obama's a fucking retard.

So is Cain.


Then why dont you run for the President's office. If they are so 'retarded' compared to you; you should easily win on a third party ticket. Your 'supreme intelligence' and 'awesome charisma' will just 'naturally' carry you to the Oval Office. From there, you 'exceptional wisdom' can create a better, brighter, happier country. And after you leave office, we Americans will praise you as future politicans crawl/stumble/claw/bite/hammer over each other to imitate your 'abilities'.

You might want to ask your doctor to tone down on the medication you take.


I can't. I won't be 35 for quite a few years and by then I'll have lived outside the US for too long.





xssve -> RE: Republican politician once again mis-quotes Abraham Lincoln to push GOP policies (10/8/2011 6:12:52 AM)

Actual Lincoln quote:

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
-- U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864
(letter to Col. William F. Elkins)




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