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New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away your ... - 10/4/2011 9:01:30 PM   
Fightdirecto


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In an interview with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer earlier this week, former pizza executive and GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain took a surprisingly liberal view on gun control:
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BLITIZER: Let’s talk about gun control. Do you support any gun control?

CAIN: I support the Second Amendment.

BLITZER: So you don’t? What’s the answer on gun control?

CAIN: The answer on gun control is I support, strongly support, the Second Amendment. I don’t support onerous legislation that’s going to restrict people’s rights in order to be able to protect themselves as guaranteed by the Second Amendment.

BLITZER: Should states or local governments be allowed to pass laws on guns . . .

CAIN: Yes

BLITZER: So the answer is yes?

CAIN: Yes. The answer is yes, that should be a state’s decision.

Cain’s position — that Congress can’t regulate guns but states can — not only places him well to the left of the NRA, it also places him at odds with the Supreme Court...

To be fair to Cain, however, it is much more likely that he simply doesn’t know anything about the Second Amendment than that he actually is staking out a somewhat liberal position on guns. In his first Sunday show interview, Cain exposed his utter ignorance of foreign policy by not understanding what the Palestinian “right of return” is. Cain launched his campaign with a speech that mixed up the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. He claimed that Congress is powerless to regulate bankruptcy, even though the Constitution says exactly the opposite. And he embraced a wildly unconstitutional plan to force Islamic federal employees to swear a loyalty oath.

First - Bachmann

Then - Perry

Now - Cain

Mitt Romney must be smiling...

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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/4/2011 9:16:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Watch your back, Fight. There are some people around here who would like to shut you up.

The story is months old, and your source is far from unbiased. Herman seems to have a good learning curve, and I'm sure he's gotten some more nuance into his stock answer now. Different states have all sorts of different laws regarding guns. The Supreme Court says there is an individual right they cannot deny. What's the problem?

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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/4/2011 9:20:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's a big difference between passing laws on guns and taking them away period.

Someone is being alarmist.

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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/4/2011 9:25:41 PM   
Fightdirecto


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Status: offline 		Good ol' Herman may know about pizza - but he sure doesn't know much about the U.S. Constitution.

As I said - Mitt Romney must be loving this. Everytime Bachmann, Perry, Cain or Santorum opens their mouths - he's one step closer to the GOP nomination.

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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/4/2011 9:39:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Watch your back, Fight. There are some people around here who would like to shut you up.

The story is months old, and your source is far from unbiased. Herman seems to have a good learning curve, and I'm sure he's gotten some more nuance into his stock answer now. Different states have all sorts of different laws regarding guns. The Supreme Court says there is an individual right they cannot deny. What's the problem?

You can always tell when a Republican is gaining a little traction: just look for the Directo hit piece on CM. 

Firm


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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/4/2011 9:50:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		So,in you view Cain is "gaining a little traction" ?
Really.....the pizza guy?
That right there would alarm me if I was on the Right......just sayin

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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/4/2011 9:52:21 PM   
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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/4/2011 9:52:26 PM   
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"A pizza in every oven"

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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/4/2011 10:17:36 PM   
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BLITIZER: Let’s talk about gun control. Do you support any gun control?

CAIN: I support the Second Amendment.

BLITZER: So you don’t? What’s the answer on gun control?

CAIN: The answer on gun control is I support, strongly support, the Second Amendment. I don’t support onerous legislation that’s going to restrict people’s rights in order to be able to protect themselves as guaranteed by the Second Amendment.

BLITZER: Should states or local governments be allowed to pass laws on guns . . .

CAIN: Yes

BLITZER: So the answer is yes?

CAIN: Yes. The answer is yes, that should be a state’s decision.


To be fair, I think Mr. Cain simply got confused on the subject. That he implied it was the state's right to decide on gun control (under the 10th Amendment). However, if that is true, than a state could ban firearms and not be in violation of the 2nd Amendment (assuming individuals and not a 'well-regulated militia' can have firearms). He wants it to work both ways, and that's not how it does work. Likewise, its a bit concerning that Mr. Blitzer could easily confuse Mr Cain like that. Do you really want someone that can be easily confused by the topic in a handful of sentences as your president? We tried that with Bush Jr, and LOOK WHAT HAPPENED.....

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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/4/2011 10:27:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now, now, joether.  Many on the right would consider Bush, Jr. to be the best president we've ever had.  At the very least, one of the top five; above any Democratic president we've ever had.

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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/5/2011 1:20:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

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BLITIZER: Let’s talk about gun control. Do you support any gun control?

CAIN: I support the Second Amendment.

BLITZER: So you don’t? What’s the answer on gun control?

CAIN: The answer on gun control is I support, strongly support, the Second Amendment. I don’t support onerous legislation that’s going to restrict people’s rights in order to be able to protect themselves as guaranteed by the Second Amendment.

BLITZER: Should states or local governments be allowed to pass laws on guns . . .

CAIN: Yes

BLITZER: So the answer is yes?

CAIN: Yes. The answer is yes, that should be a state’s decision.


To be fair, I think Mr. Cain simply got confused on the subject. That he implied it was the state's right to decide on gun control (under the 10th Amendment). However, if that is true, than a state could ban firearms and not be in violation of the 2nd Amendment (assuming individuals and not a 'well-regulated militia' can have firearms). He wants it to work both ways, and that's not how it does work. Likewise, its a bit concerning that Mr. Blitzer could easily confuse Mr Cain like that. Do you really want someone that can be easily confused by the topic in a handful of sentences as your president? We tried that with Bush Jr, and LOOK WHAT HAPPENED.....


I'd be happy with a president who knew that there are,..... "50 states."
These days will be known as,...."The Obama time."
Never thought I'd be pining for the Clinton years and all his hyjincs in the White house!
Having Obama in there is like getting hit in the face with a wet sponge.


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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/5/2011 1:34:06 AM   
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Whatcah gonna do.

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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/5/2011 1:41:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
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ORIGINAL: joether
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BLITIZER: Let’s talk about gun control. Do you support any gun control?

CAIN: I support the Second Amendment.

BLITZER: So you don’t? What’s the answer on gun control?

CAIN: The answer on gun control is I support, strongly support, the Second Amendment. I don’t support onerous legislation that’s going to restrict people’s rights in order to be able to protect themselves as guaranteed by the Second Amendment.

BLITZER: Should states or local governments be allowed to pass laws on guns . . .

CAIN: Yes

BLITZER: So the answer is yes?

CAIN: Yes. The answer is yes, that should be a state’s decision.

To be fair, I think Mr. Cain simply got confused on the subject. That he implied it was the state's right to decide on gun control (under the 10th Amendment). However, if that is true, than a state could ban firearms and not be in violation of the 2nd Amendment (assuming individuals and not a 'well-regulated militia' can have firearms). He wants it to work both ways, and that's not how it does work. Likewise, its a bit concerning that Mr. Blitzer could easily confuse Mr Cain like that. Do you really want someone that can be easily confused by the topic in a handful of sentences as your president? We tried that with Bush Jr, and LOOK WHAT HAPPENED.....

I'd be happy with a president who knew that there are,..... "50 states."
These days will be known as,...."The Obama time."
Never thought I'd be pining for the Clinton years and all his hyjincs in the White house!
Having Obama in there is like getting hit in the face with a wet sponge.


And your post has what importance to this discussion, pops? We aren't talking about President Obama. I know, I said 'president' and your knee jerk reaction kicked your head with 'President Obama', but we REALLY aren't talking about Mr. Obama. In fact, we aren't even talking about the Democrats! We are talking about....THE OTHER PARTY.....pops. Get with the discussion!

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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/5/2011 5:39:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since we are NOT talking about the President, but ARE talking about the various Republican candidates - does anyone here have a comment on my idea that statements like this by Cain, Bachman, Perry, etc. are helping Romney win the GOP nomination?

I believe they are. The crazier or the less informed Cain, Bachman, Perry, etc. appear, the more likely that the GOP will nominate Romney as their Presidential candidate.

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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/5/2011 5:45:07 AM   
Hillwilliam


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Status: offline 		Personally, I think Romney has the best chance of picking up the independent vote and defeating Obama.

He hasn't been exactly dynamic but he hasn't done anything crashingly stupid or polarizing either.

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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/5/2011 12:21:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

Since we are NOT talking about the President, but ARE talking about the various Republican candidates - does anyone here have a comment on my idea that statements like this by Cain, Bachman, Perry, etc. are helping Romney win the GOP nomination?

I believe they are. The crazier or the less informed Cain, Bachman, Perry, etc. appear, the more likely that the GOP will nominate Romney as their Presidential candidate.


Fight, I do. How many people in the country are even aware of that interview?
And how many people in the country even watch those debates?
We won't know who the nominee is until the republican convention in.....?
I'm not a republican but I wouldn't mind having Cain or Romney in the W.H.
They're both good managers unlike the present bad situation.


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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/5/2011 12:25:16 PM   
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Oh the irony.

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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/5/2011 12:29:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		OP, thats why this clown is a fuckin pizza salesman.

There was a definitive supreme court decision resoundingly saying not on your fuckin life, you see, but he musta been checking the tomato sauce for piquancy, and missed that announcement.

Well, fuck them little details, he's running for president, he has a raft of guys on the payroll that tell him when hes stupid.


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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/5/2011 2:52:05 PM   
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he hasn't done anything crashingly stupid
From the stories you guys post on here <pretty much all I see about the nomination race>, that in and of itself makes him stand head and shoulders above the others. Just saying.

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RE: New GOP frontrunner says your state can take away y... - 10/5/2011 4:05:29 PM   
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he hasn't done anything crashingly stupid
From the stories you guys post on here <pretty much all I see about the nomination race>, that in and of itself makes him stand head and shoulders above the others. Just saying.


Hi, I'm Gwen Ifill (however you spell it) tonights presidential candidate debate, from historic Philedelphia;Mr Romney you won the coin toss, you go first.....

Romney to Obama: I haven't done or said anything stupider than you.
Obama to Romney: And nothing smarter.

Ifill: Next question; what experience do you have that qualifies you to be president?

Obama: I am one.
Romney: Uhhhhhhhhhh....humina humina humina...

Ifill: The next debate will be held in historic Williamsburg where our candidtates will dress in powdered wigs and breech buckle boots with pantaloons, and them hats, yeah them hats.........




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