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Well now the repubs will for sure block it. They don't care about people having jobs, they care about Obama not getting reelected.

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Will these be 'shovel ready' jobs like the last time when we wasted 823 billion in a jobs stimulus ? It didn't work then and it won't work this time.

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And you are prepared to tell us just what would or would not have happened absent that stimulus ?

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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$200,000 to create a job, and unknown cost to sustain it. Exactly what we need. Obama nailed this one.

So your point is that just giving people money for not working is cheaper and more efficient? 

No, newb. My point is the same as always. The government cannot create net jobs.

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You don't want the government to create them and you oppose tariffs on imports so that companies create manufacturing jobs and build and buy American....

What other options you got?

The only option that works. Get the government the fuck out of the way.

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Exactly government doesnt create jobs. So when Rick Perry says he created thousands of jobs in Texas he actually hired the people himself.

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willbeur needs to look at the regulations, tax brackets and job situation of the 1950s. Why were the 1950s so economically good?

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President Barack Obama’s $447 billion jobs plan would help avoid a return to recession by maintaining growth and pushing down the unemployment rate next year, according to economists surveyed by Bloomberg News.

The legislation, submitted to Congress this month, would increase gross domestic product by 0.6 percent next year and add or keep 275,000 workers on payrolls, the median estimates in the survey of 34 economists showed. The program would also lower the jobless rate by 0.2 percentage point in 2012, economists said.

Economists in the survey are less optimistic than Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner, who has cited estimates for a 1.5 percent boost to gross domestic product. Even so, the program may bolster Obama’s re-election prospects by lowering a jobless rate that has stayed near 9 percent or more since April 2009.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Obama-Jobs-Plan-May-Prevent-bloomberg-4122133367.html;_ylt=AgvjKsz7_MjGdd0e_e9Afpnlba9_;_ylu=X3oDMTE2bGR1czk1BHBvcwM0BHNlYwN0b3Atc3R

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I've heard it all before. The stimulus saved jobs, bla bla bla. Even Obama admitted that there were no 'shovel ready" jobs. We are still at 9 % + unemployment after wasting nearly a trillion dollars. Now he wants to build roads and bridges.?

You'd prefer 30% unemployment?

No, we'd prefer the 5-6% unemployment we'd be at if the business cycle had been allowed to run its natural course.

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Well now the repubs will for sure block it. They don't care about people having jobs, they care about Obama not getting reelected.

OH, THEY CARE ABOUT JOBS ALRIGHT... They care to the extent that they'll do anything to PREVENT JOBS from being created between now and November 2012. If they weren't worried about the bill they'd vote it in and let him hang himself.
   If I were the president, I would go for broke and just start using the executive order to get things done What the fuck are they gonna do? Impeach him? have a look at the Clinton Calendar before ya say yes.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

President Barack Obama’s $447 billion jobs plan would help avoid a return to recession by maintaining growth and pushing down the unemployment rate next year, according to economists surveyed by Bloomberg News.

The legislation, submitted to Congress this month, would increase gross domestic product by 0.6 percent next year and add or keep 275,000 workers on payrolls, the median estimates in the survey of 34 economists showed. The program would also lower the jobless rate by 0.2 percentage point in 2012, economists said.

Economists in the survey are less optimistic than Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner, who has cited estimates for a 1.5 percent boost to gross domestic product. Even so, the program may bolster Obama’s re-election prospects by lowering a jobless rate that has stayed near 9 percent or more since April 2009.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Obama-Jobs-Plan-May-Prevent-bloomberg-4122133367.html;_ylt=AgvjKsz7_MjGdd0e_e9Afpnlba9_;_ylu=X3oDMTE2bGR1czk1BHBvcwM0BHNlYwN0b3Atc3R

Exactly. It is a 'get me elected plan' and not much else. I'll hand it to the dems. They created out of the mess we're all in, the best re-election fodder they could muster. They created a plan that like stimulus 1, might keep the economy stumbling along until the next stimulus is needed, and at the same time, created a plan they can point to as their attempt to save the economy that the evil Republicans shot down.

It is a stop gap measure at best that doesn't address the core issues. It's presence was predicted the instant stimulus 1 headed for Congress, even at the same time many economists were telling the world and the president that stimulus 1 would not resolve the issues of unemployment, kick starting business, or the national debt.

It is election cycle gimmickry.

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Exactly government doesnt create jobs. So when Rick Perry says he created thousands of jobs in Texas he actually hired the people himself.

Ahhhhhhh.... Hey, you don't think he's still interviewing, do you?
I know a lot about brushfires and burning out varmints.