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I suppose we could just let all breeds intermix and have nothing but muts with large health issues. 

Mutts are far healthier than purebreds. Just check out the difference in insurance rates.

actually i think that insurance rates would have more do to with VALUE. Purebreds are more expensive then muts typically

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gee, like any OTHER breed that has long ears and tails....

as for that last bit? I have yet to meet ANY dog wth uncropped ears that doesnt have a great sense of hearing. not to mention that dogs use SMELL more than hearing or eyesight.

go ahead.. buy the propaganda,.

mutiliate your pup ( that you dont plan to show). are you going to use her for S&R? ? hmm .. my argument holds up there.. as does the breeding, pet, etc.

however... my argument does NOT hold up against vanity/machismo/and all that crap.

I hope she bites your balls off.

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ok, I wil call the vets I spoke to today, and if you cmail me your regular email addy, I will happily have them send you email.. or, even better (so you dont get some fucked up idea that it's ME pretending to know all that vet jargon), I will collect and send to you THEIR emails..

(I just cant believe that you dont see that cutting parts off the dog is cruel and unneede)

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lawl, cant argue the logic so you do what most ignorant fuck heads do. You cant argue logic. And to sit there and say the PROFESSIONAL DOG BREEDERS are all wrong is showing your ignorance.  L2read. Stop being ignorant.

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so.. based on the stuff you do with the male you've HAD for a while.. you're going to mutilate the pup... JUST IN CASE she might be useful for the same purpose???

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I suppose we could just let all breeds intermix and have nothing but muts with large health issues. 

Mutts are far healthier than purebreds. Just check out the difference in insurance rates.

actually i think that insurance rates would have more do to with VALUE. Purebreds are more expensive then muts typically

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Dobes are prone to a disease called von Willebrand’s Disease. its a bleeding disorder.

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Professional dog breeders are often wrong as hell. Have you ever seen a grand champion quality German Shepherd walk? That horrible gait is the result of breeding GSD's with the narrowest possible hips so the classic GSD pose will conform to the breed standard. The poor dogs can barely walk much less run.

Then there are pugs. Before the victorian era breed standards pugs heads looked a lot like the classic boxer head. Broad with a short compact muzzle. The flat face, that greatly impairs both breathing and panting, is another travesty done by breeders to an animal that was quite healthy before they started messing with them.

The list of bad practices and wrong beliefs amongst dog breeders is almost endless.

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Dobes are prone to a disease called von Willebrand’s Disease. its a bleeding disorder.

I would think that would be a good reason to not put your dog through unnecessary surgery and/or use them to help rehab dogs who might attack.

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Dobes are prone to a disease called von Willebrand’s Disease. its a bleeding disorder.

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Professional dog breeders are often wrong as hell. Have you ever seen a grand champion quality German Shepherd walk? That horrible gait is the result of breeding GSD's with the narrowest possible hips so the classic GSD pose will conform to the breed standard. The poor dogs can barely walk much less run.

Then there are pugs. Before the victorian era breed standards pugs heads looked a lot like the classic boxer head. Broad with a short compact muzzle. The flat face, that greatly impairs both breathing and panting, is another travesty done by breeders to an animal that was quite healthy before they started messing with them.

The list of bad practices and wrong beliefs amongst dog breeders is almost endless.

I agree there are some breeds that have been horribly breed. I cant argue that. What has happened to some of these breeds are horrible. But im not talking about other breeds. I'm talking about dobermans. My breeder doesnt breed for show. They breed for health and long life. Thats all.  I dont condone breeding dogs just for looks.

Do i like the look of the dobe with cropped ears? Hell yes I do. Do i think its cruel or inhumane? no. sorry nobody will convince me otherwise. just wont happen. You want to see some animal mutilation in the ears, look at cows and pigs. the tagging and clipping of these animals is just disgusting imo. often leading to infections. 

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Actually doing helps with early detection of this disease.

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Professional dog breeders are often wrong as hell. Have you ever seen a grand champion quality German Shepherd walk? That horrible gait is the result of breeding GSD's with the narrowest possible hips so the classic GSD pose will conform to the breed standard. The poor dogs can barely walk much less run.

Then there are pugs. Before the victorian era breed standards pugs heads looked a lot like the classic boxer head. Broad with a short compact muzzle. The flat face, that greatly impairs both breathing and panting, is another travesty done by breeders to an animal that was quite healthy before they started messing with them.

The list of bad practices and wrong beliefs amongst dog breeders is almost endless.

I agree there are some breeds that have been horribly breed. I cant argue that. What has happened to some of these breeds are horrible. But im not talking about other breeds. I'm talking about dobermans. My breeder doesnt breed for show. They breed for health and long life. Thats all.  I dont condone breeding dogs just for looks.

Do i like the look of the dobe with cropped ears? Hell yes I do. Do i think its cruel or inhumane? no. sorry nobody will convince me otherwise. just wont happen. You want to see some animal mutilation in the ears, look at cows and pigs. the tagging and clipping of these animals is just disgusting imo. often leading to infections. 

You were the one claiming breeders were not wrong on matters of dog health. Which is it? Are they to be considered authorities or not?

Would you like it if, as a young child, most of your ears were cut off and you were forced to wear a taped on mold to force the remaining tissue into a shape considered aethestically pleasing by someone else?

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Actually doing helps with early detection of this disease.

Bullshit. Von Willebrand's is detected with a blood test. It's a hematological disorder, docking and ear shaping won't make a damn difference in it's detection. Ken is right, it's a breeding issue, a responsible breeder won't breed a dog with the disorder.

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Professional dog breeders are often wrong as hell. Have you ever seen a grand champion quality German Shepherd walk? That horrible gait is the result of breeding GSD's with the narrowest possible hips so the classic GSD pose will conform to the breed standard. The poor dogs can barely walk much less run.

Then there are pugs. Before the victorian era breed standards pugs heads looked a lot like the classic boxer head. Broad with a short compact muzzle. The flat face, that greatly impairs both breathing and panting, is another travesty done by breeders to an animal that was quite healthy before they started messing with them.

The list of bad practices and wrong beliefs amongst dog breeders is almost endless.

I agree there are some breeds that have been horribly breed. I cant argue that. What has happened to some of these breeds are horrible. But im not talking about other breeds. I'm talking about dobermans. My breeder doesnt breed for show. They breed for health and long life. Thats all.  I dont condone breeding dogs just for looks.

Do i like the look of the dobe with cropped ears? Hell yes I do. Do i think its cruel or inhumane? no. sorry nobody will convince me otherwise. just wont happen. You want to see some animal mutilation in the ears, look at cows and pigs. the tagging and clipping of these animals is just disgusting imo. often leading to infections. 

You were the one claiming breeders were not wrong on matters of dog health. Which is it? Are they to be considered authorities or not?

Would you like it if, as a young child, most of your ears were cut off and you were forced to wear a taped on mold to force the remaining tissue into a shape considered aethestically pleasing by someone else?

um circumcision

and -1 for comparing dogs to people. fail

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Actually doing helps with early detection of this disease.

Bullshit. Von Willebrand's is detected with a blood test. It's a hematological disorder, docking and ear shaping won't make a damn difference in it's detection. Ken is right, it's a breeding issue, a responsible breeder won't breed a dog with the disorder.

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http://www.gentledoberman.com/veterinary-care/common-diseases/von-willebrands

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Actually doing helps with early detection of this disease.

Bullshit. Von Willebrand's is detected with a blood test. It's a hematological disorder, docking and ear shaping won't make a damn difference in it's detection. Ken is right, it's a breeding issue, a responsible breeder won't breed a dog with the disorder.

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http://www.gentledoberman.com/veterinary-care/common-diseases/von-willebrands

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ok, I wil call the vets I spoke to today, and if you cmail me your regular email addy, I will happily have them send you email.. or, even better (so you dont get some fucked up idea that it's ME pretending to know all that vet jargon), I will collect and send to you THEIR emails..

(I just cant believe that you dont see that cutting parts off the dog is cruel and unneede)

does this mean i can send your email to my vet and dog breeder who promotes this. Point being, everyone is entitled to their "opinion" just dont call it fact unless you can back up with the dog community.