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kidney stones.. - 9/13/2011 12:49:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001493/    So mom has them.  My brother called all alarmed over it.

She had an ultrasound- and now today some MRI.

The pain is random I take it???
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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/13/2011 2:26:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't called it so much random as I would say that is comes in waves. At least that is what it is like when I have kidney stone attacks. And intense. Extremely intense. Has she just been diagnosed with these or does she have a history of them? One thing I have read that helps keep them from forming is to drink lemonade. Lemonade therapy they call it. I try to drink a bit now and then. Plenty of fluids. My urologist told me that no matter what type of stones you have proper hydration keeps your urine more diluted and discourages the formation of stones.

This kidney stone I passed about eight years ago without medical intervention would surely secure a spot for me (and it) in the Kidney Stone Hall of Fame if there were such a mythical place. Other kidney stone sufferers are incredulous when I show it to them but I swear it is legit.









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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/13/2011 2:33:39 PM   
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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/13/2011 3:09:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Old timer "natural" cure: 2 ounces lemon juice mixed with 2 ounces of extra virgin olive oil. Twice a day, 2 or 3 days. Not as nasty as it sounds, and it has worked for me.  

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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/13/2011 4:49:50 PM   
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Old timer "natural" cure: 2 ounces lemon juice mixed with 2 ounces of extra virgin olive oil. Twice a day, 2 or 3 days. Not as nasty as it sounds, and it has worked for me.


Qualify "worked" please. You mean it dissolved them?
I have a buddy for whom that would be major news.



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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/13/2011 5:01:39 PM   
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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/13/2011 6:09:59 PM   
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Old timer "natural" cure: 2 ounces lemon juice mixed with 2 ounces of extra virgin olive oil. Twice a day, 2 or 3 days. Not as nasty as it sounds, and it has worked for me.


Qualify "worked" please. You mean it dissolved them?
I have a buddy for whom that would be major news.




Yes, dissolved them. Happened this summer as a matter of fact. If you've ever had a kidney stone, there are no mistaking the symptoms. Too much coffee, not enough water, hot shop broiling July day. Came home, pain, nausea, took a vicodin, and the mix, never felt the pain again, urinary tract back to normal in about 4 days.
  Proper hydration is the key to avoiding them.

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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/13/2011 6:32:30 PM   
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I wouldn't called it so much random as I would say that is comes in waves. At least that is what it is like when I have kidney stone attacks. And intense. Extremely intense. Has she just been diagnosed with these or does she have a history of them? One thing I have read that helps keep them from forming is to drink lemonade. Lemonade therapy they call it. I try to drink a bit now and then. Plenty of fluids. My urologist told me that no matter what type of stones you have proper hydration keeps your urine more diluted and discourages the formation of stones.

This kidney stone I passed about eight years ago without medical intervention would surely secure a spot for me (and it) in the Kidney Stone Hall of Fame if there were such a mythical place. Other kidney stone sufferers are incredulous when I show it to them but I swear it is legit.


Wow.   No- she has often not felt good... I mean- OFTEN.  So much of it goes out the other ear-  with us kids.  My brother was worried which alarmed me.   I figured she was going to drs to get straighten out.

She often "needs to get in that bathroom".   For a long time- I thought- it must be a ladies thing. 

So the diagnosis is new- (with possible other aliments as well)  but the problem I think has been around for at least 3 years....

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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/13/2011 11:29:48 PM   
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Old timer "natural" cure: 2 ounces lemon juice mixed with 2 ounces of extra virgin olive oil. Twice a day, 2 or 3 days. Not as nasty as it sounds, and it has worked for me.  


There are two kinds of stones...calcium and uric acid. This "cure" might work with uric acid stones, the pharma cure is a slightly acidic powder, I forget the name. The olive oil wont do anything for either kind of stone.

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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/13/2011 11:35:44 PM   
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I wouldn't called it so much random as I would say that is comes in waves. At least that is what it is like when I have kidney stone attacks. And intense. Extremely intense. Has she just been diagnosed with these or does she have a history of them? One thing I have read that helps keep them from forming is to drink lemonade. Lemonade therapy they call it. I try to drink a bit now and then. Plenty of fluids. My urologist told me that no matter what type of stones you have proper hydration keeps your urine more diluted and discourages the formation of stones.

This kidney stone I passed about eight years ago without medical intervention would surely secure a spot for me (and it) in the Kidney Stone Hall of Fame if there were such a mythical place. Other kidney stone sufferers are incredulous when I show it to them but I swear it is legit.











Thats one sick stone. The pain of KS isnt from the stone itself, its from the hydronephrosis..swelling of the kidney due to the obstructed urine flow. But that stone must have been brutal coming out. Ive peed red for days from much smaller stones. My first stone was about the same length but much narrower and it wouldnt pass and couldnt be blasted (lithotripsy) because uric acid stones dont (or didnt given the technology at the time) show up well enough to focus the sound waves that break them up. I was on the table and ready to go and the surgeon said "we think we know where it is so we can go ahead, or go in and grab it next week". I asked what the risk was if they missed and he said "Internal bleeding, maybe death". I said thanks for the sedation, but I'll come back next week!

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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/14/2011 2:16:05 AM   
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I wouldn't called it so much random as I would say that is comes in waves. At least that is what it is like when I have kidney stone attacks. And intense. Extremely intense. Has she just been diagnosed with these or does she have a history of them? One thing I have read that helps keep them from forming is to drink lemonade. Lemonade therapy they call it. I try to drink a bit now and then. Plenty of fluids. My urologist told me that no matter what type of stones you have proper hydration keeps your urine more diluted and discourages the formation of stones.

This kidney stone I passed about eight years ago without medical intervention would surely secure a spot for me (and it) in the Kidney Stone Hall of Fame if there were such a mythical place. Other kidney stone sufferers are incredulous when I show it to them but I swear it is legit.






Is that the stone?? That must have torn up your urethra something good! You must experienced so much bleeding as well. How did they treat you after the stone came out? I honestly can't imagine anything that size passing through your urethra.

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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/14/2011 12:04:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually the pain occurs when the stone tries to escape the kidney and is in the ureters, or at the entrance.

I've suffered from kidney stones several times and have a great urologist. Lemonade helps to keep stones from forming, it doesn't eradicate them. Many times stones will simply dissolve on their own.

The pain can come in waves because something (in my case, throwing up) dislodges the stone from the exit from the kidneys (honestly, I can't remember whether that is the ureter or urethra, but irrelevant, not the kidney).

Kidney stones can take up to a month to pass, and I am not one of those people who will be in pain for that long when there is a simple, medical intervention. The first two times I had kidney stones, I had them surgically removed and the last time, it apparently dissolved on its own.

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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/14/2011 5:17:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		"The pain of KS isnt from the stone itself, its from the hydronephrosis..swelling of the kidney "

Yeah right ! Of course there is pain from the fucking pressure which is what you tried to shroud in terminology, but eventually the thing moves (if you're"lucky" that is) and that is no fun.

But if you think that dull pain inside is something, try it when that motherfucker comes out your dick  ! I passed some very small stones years ago, not one was much bigger than a millimeter. God fucking damn, I was practically incontinent for a week at least and it was just debilitating as fuck.

Luckily that's how mine were, Skip's, well I dunno what to say, I think he didn't drink enough beer. I shit you not. In fact that hydrotherapy with the sound cannon, what that does is break it up. I didn't need that but some do. Then they have to go through what I did, which I admit wasn't that bad.

But I'll tell you this, at that time I bought some fucking Depends and it was NOT for kink reasons. This shit in my urethra was like, I could hold back but it hurt like hell, it was like I was pissing sandpaper.

This is all a pain in the, well not ass.... The thing to do is make sure you get enough of the companion minerals to calcium in your diet so it doesn't happen again. Your body needs a balance of at least 24 minerals to function properly, get them all or get problems. It really is that simple. YES that calcium came from your bones, or from your diet, which means it is not going to your bones. It is going to the wrong places.

How hard is that to understand ?

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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/14/2011 6:09:52 PM   
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My ex-neighbor started passing a stone while at the ER with his son. One of the nurses quietly asked him to keep it down; his screaming was scaring the other people there.

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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/14/2011 9:26:45 PM   
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What do you do ? Tell people to shut the fuck up or tell others fuck you ?

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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/15/2011 3:13:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Termy read it again. It wasn't me who asked him to keep it down, it was a nurse at the ER he was at with his son.

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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/15/2011 10:42:55 AM   
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Who was in the ER, the neighbor or his son ? Was he screaming in the waiting room or did people think they were peeling his skin off in there ?

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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/15/2011 11:00:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		The size and shape of the kidney stone are important. Years ago I was diagnosed with many small crystalized bits of stone, over the years they actually started collecting together and creating larger masses. Sometimes they pass.. sometimes they don't. Pain can occure when a stone is trying to escape the kidney, or if it blocks something within the kidney.

Two years ago I suffered a very severe kidney infection, and the doctors blamed it on a blockage created by a kidney stone. I didn't have pain prior, or after I healed, but let me tell you that was about the worst week of my life, being pumped full of fluids at a rapid pace and antibiotics and morphine. If I wasn't peeing, or sleeping off the morphine, I was in a lot of pain. They pretty much allowed me morphine every 4 hours for the first few days, which I was told was pretty standard, so I take that to mean that it's common for kidney stone related issues to be very painful.

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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/15/2011 2:19:54 PM   
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Who was in the ER, the neighbor or his son ? Was he screaming in the waiting room or did people think they were peeling his skin off in there ?


Both of them. He was there with his son and he started passing a kidney stone.

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RE: kidney stones.. - 9/15/2011 2:45:14 PM   
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Is that the stone?? That must have torn up your urethra something good! You must experienced so much bleeding as well. How did they treat you after the stone came out? I honestly can't imagine anything that size passing through your urethra.


I would say the same thing looking at it - I was shocked when I saw it. It was probably a small stone that never passed out of my bladder and became a bladder stone. I recall feeling something odd in my pelvis (not painful or even discomfort) sometime shortly after the holidays. The stone passed in August. My guess is that is exited the bladder after the holidays and it took that long to make its way out. It looks really jagged in the picture but it's actually rather rounded around its circumference. The jagged ones are the ones that stop and lodge and cause all of the problems. The ones they have to go in and retrieve.

Very minor bleeding (more seepage than anything) for 3-4 hours then it was bedtime. Fine the next day. No treatment. It passed on Sunday. It positioned itself Friday in such a way that it partially slowed urine flow and I said I would give it til Monday and if it didn't pass I would go to the doctor. I really hate doctors. I am doing better with that these days but back then, no. Luckily it made the deadline.

As far as passing stuff through the urethra goes, I have a dommé friend who has a set of sounds that make that stone look like a walk in the park.


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