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Astronauts may have to abandon ISS - 8/30/2011 3:41:38 AM   
outhere69


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Status: offline 		Looks like due to the recent failures with the Russian Progress lift vehicles, astronauts may have to abandon the ISS:

"Two Soyuz capsules, each with seats for three passengers, are currently docked to the space station. But the capsules are certified to last only 200 days in orbit, because hydrogen peroxide for the spacecraft’s thrusters degrades over time.


The return of the first capsule has been pushed back a week, to Sept. 15, giving NASA and the Russian space agency more time to study their options. Delaying much more than that would run into a safety rule, that the capsules land during the day. The next opportunity would be in late October, beyond the 200-day limit."

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RE: Astronauts may have to abandon ISS - 8/30/2011 6:41:15 AM   
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RE: Astronauts may have to abandon ISS - 8/30/2011 8:43:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I read the article in the link. The problem is not so much the return of astronauts to Earth, but the inability to bring up relief crews until they know what went wrong with the rocket that failed.

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RE: Astronauts may have to abandon ISS - 8/30/2011 11:15:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, humanity should be colonizing the solar system by now.

Strikes me as a bit stupid to put all out eggs in one basket.

Perhaps more people shold contemplate the blue dot.

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RE: Astronauts may have to abandon ISS - 8/30/2011 9:46:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

I read the article in the link. The problem is not so much the return of astronauts to Earth, but the inability to bring up relief crews until they know what went wrong with the rocket that failed.

They have a limited time on the modules that could take them back, due to the degradation in the thruster propellant.

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RE: Astronauts may have to abandon ISS - 8/30/2011 11:53:52 PM   
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RE: Astronauts may have to abandon ISS - 8/31/2011 2:04:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		It wouldn't be a permanent abandonment, the ISS can sit unmanned just as Sky Lab and Mir often did.

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RE: Astronauts may have to abandon ISS - 8/31/2011 6:00:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yup, but lose the comm and things will be most unhappy.

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RE: Astronauts may have to abandon ISS - 9/1/2011 6:47:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Saw this coming. I'm sure a lot of folks saw this coming when Obama decided we could keep sending money overseas to keep people employed in other countries but couldn't keep folks employed in NASA. But hey if the space stations fails we'll know we can blame Obama for it along with a bunch of other things.

I don't live too far from NASA(maybe an hour and a half drive) and when Obama decided to destroy NASA and un-employ a bunch of people(whom he later said would be able to find jobs elsewhere) after failed attempt to employ a bunch of people as census workers. A lot of Floridians were not happy about it, besides the blind "Hope and Change" cheerleaders. So we've got a President who is Anti-Israel, killed NASA, fails to inspire confidence in job producers, and put tons of academics into the White House rather than professionals and people who've actually done something (which in Obama's fairness he never really did anything other than be an academic, oh sure he was a "Community Organizer" in that place called Chicago which many refugees of have told me negative things, and he was a Senator for a couple of years for which he was usually absent. And unlike Obama's career history, the list of his failures go on and on and on and on....) on a rate so low it is one-tenth the amount of the Kennedy administration which held the previous record for installing know-nothings into the White House.

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RE: Astronauts may have to abandon ISS - 9/1/2011 7:06:52 AM   
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please?

there IS a reason the mods created the section, after all..

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RE: Astronauts may have to abandon ISS - 9/1/2011 4:43:57 PM   
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Yup, but lose the comm and things will be most unhappy.


By comm, I presume you mean command and not communication.   That system was designed to allow for remote telemetry in the event of a temporary abandonment or a catastrophic life support failure.

Abandonment is more of a political black eye and an emotional issue than a major technical disaster.

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RE: Astronauts may have to abandon ISS - 9/1/2011 6:34:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Communication.  Remember when Mir would have power failures and lose station attitude control?  It took a lot of hands-on nursing of those systems to get the station back on line.  All you need is a receiver/transmitter/antenna failure to lose your telemetry.

Skylab was interesting in that high solar activity cause the orbit to decay due to expansion of the atmosphere.

BTW, Bush made the decision to retire the shuttles back in 2004.  Obama canceled the manned Mars program.  I have a mixed view on the whole ISS/manned space flight program.  I like having the ability to fix things like the Hubble or other orbital instruments, but think the ISS is a money pit.  I've got friends in the astronomy community that say they could get a hell of a lot more science out of unmanned missions.


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RE: Astronauts may have to abandon ISS - 9/1/2011 7:07:10 PM   
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I've got friends in the astronomy community that say they could get a hell of a lot more science out of unmanned missions.

Quite.

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RE: Astronauts may have to abandon ISS - 9/2/2011 5:26:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

Saw this coming. I'm sure a lot of folks saw this coming when Obama decided we could keep sending money overseas to keep people employed in other countries but couldn't keep folks employed in NASA. But hey if the space stations fails we'll know we can blame Obama for it along with a bunch of other things.

I don't live too far from NASA(maybe an hour and a half drive) and when Obama decided to destroy NASA and un-employ a bunch of people(whom he later said would be able to find jobs elsewhere) after failed attempt to employ a bunch of people as census workers. A lot of Floridians were not happy about it, besides the blind "Hope and Change" cheerleaders. So we've got a President who is Anti-Israel, killed NASA, fails to inspire confidence in job producers, and put tons of academics into the White House rather than professionals and people who've actually done something (which in Obama's fairness he never really did anything other than be an academic, oh sure he was a "Community Organizer" in that place called Chicago which many refugees of have told me negative things, and he was a Senator for a couple of years for which he was usually absent. And unlike Obama's career history, the list of his failures go on and on and on and on....) on a rate so low it is one-tenth the amount of the Kennedy administration which held the previous record for installing know-nothings into the White House.


I know Greedy Top would rather we stay on topic than get into politics, but a couple of points stand out from your bizarre partisan screed:

First (as OT says) the Chimp stripped more funding from NASA than the Kenyan ever has. The only interest the Kenyan has shown thius far is pulling the plug on the Mars programme, which most reckon was nothing more than vapourware in the first place.

Second: if Kennedy was such a useless know nothing, which President do you think it was who first started throwing money at NASA with both hands in order to prevent the evil Russian commies beating you to the moon? (I'll give you a clue: it wasn't Nixon.)

This blaming the Kenyan for the chimp cutting NASA's funding seems fairly analogous to the fact that Nixon pulling the plug on the Apollo programme suddenly became Carter's fault after the 1976 election.

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