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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Kleptocracy ? Someone should send that to wikipedia.

T^T

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Oh don't worry we all understand your points and the game you try and run.

By important things you mean like say, oh I don't know, starting a pointless war in Iraq and wasting the lives of our young people not to mention flushing gobs of money down the drain in the process?

Important things like that?

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Are those ideological blinders of yours so tight they cut grooves into the sides of your head?

I can see how you might confuse not accomplishing something in almost 2 terms as President and in 2 years accomplishing what the previous administration failed to do as a similar time frame.

Here is a hint.  A Presidential term is 4 years.

And you completely missed the import of my question about 2 years.

No one just "makes magic happen", especially pols.  It takes circumstances, information and commitment.

You can argue that Bush didn't have the commitment to finally "get" OBL, but if you do, you must also recognize that even with O's commitment, it took over two years to actually do it.

With Bush, the circumstances and information lead (IHO) to his reduced commitment. 

In other words, while getting OBL was nice, and gave closure to some, as Bush stated, there were other things that were indeed "more important" than finding one individual which an "ally" was shielding.

That is certainly a judgment call, and we can argue that.

My point is that "wanting" something done, having a "commitment" to getting something done doesn't guarantee that the situation will otherwise allow it to be done.

At what point do you allow such "wanting" to become a disabling fantasy, and let it distract from more important, reality issues?

Obama had the "commitment", and the circumstances and the information changed in order to allow him to finally follow through. 

It still took him 2 years to have all the factors align to allow it.

How long was it, in Bush's 8 years, before he decided that the "correlation of forces" for getting OBL weren't going to happen, and it was better to focus his energies elsewhere?

Firm

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

What a bunch of bullshit.

You really are a true believer aren't you?

Bush stated clearly and plainly that he would get him dead or alive.

Then when he realized he couldn't he backpedaled and claimed Bin Laden was not that important.

You want to talk to some of the victim's families of 9/11 and the other terrorist actions he was responsible for and back Bush's pussying out?

Firm: The sky is generally blue you know.  Sometimes its slate-gray when it is about to rain.  Sometimes its almost white when there are lots and lots of clouds.

rml: You idiot, the oceans are always green.

Firm: huh?

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
What a bunch of bullshit.

You really are a true believer aren't you?

Bush stated clearly and plainly that he would get him dead or alive.

Then when he realized he couldn't he backpedaled and claimed Bin Laden was not that important.

You want to talk to some of the victim's families of 9/11 and the other terrorist actions he was responsible for and back Bush's pussying out?