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hlen5 -> I Love This Possibility... (8/5/2011 10:41:15 AM)

http://www.nss.org/settlement/ssp/index.htm

What does everyone else think of this?

ETA: Missed a space in the original title.




DarkSteven -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/5/2011 10:49:28 AM)

It's bullshit.

The transmission of power is nasty.  We're talking of a massive amount of power transmitted through radio waves or some similar medium.  I once read an analysis of this which proposed beaming the power down by microwave.  Talk about a massive health risk, and to top it off, the analysis projected that the temperature would be raised a degree or two by this.  That will cause all kinds of issues, as Al Gore has stated.





MileHighM -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/5/2011 10:53:10 AM)

UM cool...but it is all about transmission. They casually refer to the transmission as a problem. Well, I would say that is a BIG FUCKING PROBLEM!!!! you think we loose power on the grid and spend a fortune on transmission now...J.H. Christ!!!

bunch of scientists looking for billion in grant money to piss down the drain.

The simple solutions are always the best ones...and this ain't simple




Anaxagoras -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/5/2011 10:55:34 AM)

I heard something about this before and one big issue was the safety of microwaves. There are already issues with the use of mobile phones and standard radio transmissions, and that would be minor in comparison to the massive wattages transmitted from space so I can't understand how the article can say a relatively small amount of research needs to be done to minimise the environmental impact of the transmission system. I guess there are no easy answers with regard to the energy issue with the green technologies we use being pretty inadequate. I wonder could nuclear fusion ever be mastered as it could potentially solve all energy issues, has a near infinite source of fuel, and no dangerous waste products.




FirstQuaker -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/5/2011 11:12:01 AM)

Any madman achieving control of  this arraignment for even minutes would make a lot of trouble.




Arpig -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/5/2011 3:14:01 PM)

As a possibility, definitely intriguing, but didn't Tesla go broke trying to figure out wireless transmission of power?




tj444 -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/5/2011 3:19:24 PM)

my take is that if solar is expensive on the ground, it would be outrageously expensive in space...




willbeurdaddy -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/5/2011 4:26:20 PM)

<pinky on lips> give me a BILLION dollars, and I will let you have the power




DarkSteven -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/5/2011 5:10:04 PM)

Lessee now, the previous launch was Preparation G, so this one....




willbeurdaddy -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/5/2011 5:20:50 PM)

He produced Preparation H too...it felt "good on the (w)hole"




tj444 -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/5/2011 5:29:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

<pinky on lips> give me a BILLION dollars, and I will let you have the power

I dont need a billion dollars... my soft, full, talented lips are worth sooooo much more.. that is where true power lies.. [sm=angel.gif]




willbeurdaddy -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/5/2011 7:02:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

<pinky on lips> give me a BILLION dollars, and I will let you have the power

I dont need a billion dollars... my soft, full, talented lips are worth sooooo much more.. that is where true power lies.. [sm=angel.gif]


the power to make men weak in the knees...who needs more!




CrazyCats -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/6/2011 10:50:03 AM)

Tesla was broke well before he ever started on the global energy/communication antenna. He was financially backed by Westinghouse. Unfortunately, the combination of smear campaign and back room deals from Edison Labs kept the vastly superior wireless electric technology suppressed for just a little under a century. MIT is just now starting to work with some of Tesla's simpler designs. (That nifty charging mat for cell phones and other tech toys? That's an MIT redesign of Tesla's work with more modern materials.)

The trouble with mad scientists is that they usually don't do what they do for money, so it can be rather had to monetize their inventions. That was what Westinghouse faced. If he did manage to finish it, which he was very close to doing when they pulled the plug, they would have only received high brand recognition from basically inventing wireless internet/global power delivery. They would not have been able to really charge for its use the way Edison was able to charge for the use of his tech. Business doesn't always run on what is actually superior technology, or what would be best for the world. Business runs to gain money. The problem with Tesla wasn't his technology, it was his business model. Which really sucks, because we would have been far more advanced today if the better technology won out.

As far as wireless energy transmission, there are a few other alternatives to microwave beams and radio waves, which would have a pretty large downside of becoming deathrays, as well as the minor issues of signal degradation, interference, and redistribution. We could easily take a page from Tesla and piggy back the power on electromagnetic sphere covering Earth. Unfortunately, there could be some unforeseeable consequences with this idea, since the only tests run on the effects were done about a century ago, and science was a little less rigorous at the time.

Space Solar power has potential. Fortunately, it's problems are solvable, and it has far less limitations as far as energy harvesting is concerned. The sun's light is far weaker here on Earth's surface than in space. We have an atmosphere and the aforementioned electromagnetic shell protecting us from really high powered, wide spectrum light. The reason earth based solar arrays are so expensive is simply because of the number of them needed to collect anything useful. A good analogy would be two rain buckets. The one in the desert would have to be very large and very efficient, while the one in a rain forest could very nearly have a hole in it while still being sufficient.

To be fair though, it would either have to be pretty far from Earth, or really sturdy, because the amount of floating junk around our planet would decimate current photo-voltaic arrays. Even distance from Earth would not truly solve that issue as micro-asteroids can do levels of projectile damage that would make tanks envious. The ones on the ISS and other space stations are hardy but they need constant repair. (Though I may be wrong there, it has been a while since I have heard anything about solar arrays on the ISS.)




hlen5 -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/8/2011 7:45:12 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CrazyCats

Tesla was broke well before he ever started on the global energy/communication antenna. He was financially backed by Westinghouse. Unfortunately, the combination of smear campaign and back room deals from Edison Labs kept the vastly superior wireless electric technology suppressed for just a little under a century. MIT is just now starting to work with some of Tesla's simpler designs. (That nifty charging mat for cell phones and other tech toys? That's an MIT redesign of Tesla's work with more modern materials.)

The trouble with mad scientists is that they usually don't do what they do for money, so it can be rather had to monetize their inventions. That was what Westinghouse faced. If he did manage to finish it, which he was very close to doing when they pulled the plug, they would have only received high brand recognition from basically inventing wireless internet/global power delivery. They would not have been able to really charge for its use the way Edison was able to charge for the use of his tech. Business doesn't always run on what is actually superior technology, or what would be best for the world. Business runs to gain money. The problem with Tesla wasn't his technology, it was his business model. Which really sucks, because we would have been far more advanced today if the better technology won out.

As far as wireless energy transmission, there are a few other alternatives to microwave beams and radio waves, which would have a pretty large downside of becoming deathrays, as well as the minor issues of signal degradation, interference, and redistribution. We could easily take a page from Tesla and piggy back the power on electromagnetic sphere covering Earth. Unfortunately, there could be some unforeseeable consequences with this idea, since the only tests run on the effects were done about a century ago, and science was a little less rigorous at the time.

Space Solar power has potential. Fortunately, it's problems are solvable, and it has far less limitations as far as energy harvesting is concerned. The sun's light is far weaker here on Earth's surface than in space. We have an atmosphere and the aforementioned electromagnetic shell protecting us from really high powered, wide spectrum light. The reason earth based solar arrays are so expensive is simply because of the number of them needed to collect anything useful. A good analogy would be two rain buckets. The one in the desert would have to be very large and very efficient, while the one in a rain forest could very nearly have a hole in it while still being sufficient.

To be fair though, it would either have to be pretty far from Earth, or really sturdy, because the amount of floating junk around our planet would decimate current photo-voltaic arrays. Even distance from Earth would not truly solve that issue as micro-asteroids can do levels of projectile damage that would make tanks envious. The ones on the ISS and other space stations are hardy but they need constant repair. (Though I may be wrong there, it has been a while since I have heard anything about solar arrays on the ISS.)


Thank you for your reply!!




Termyn8or -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/8/2011 11:53:32 PM)

FR

It's not really practical. Where do you point your beam of energy at ? If your thing up in space is in geosychronous orbit it will be over the equator. It can't get constant sun there so you have to deal with that. You want intermittent power ? Try it in a city in August when even your fucking basement floor is HOT.

So you can't put it over the poles, it won't stay up. Plus if you beam the power there, that is EXACTLY where you don't want more heat, according to the global waming crowd. So this shit has to spin around Eatrth over the equator, that's a given.

Where ? Wanna beam the power out in the Atlantic somewhere ? Sure, it's just more wire right ? It's only money. How about Texas ? They're far enough south.

Sorry, but I just don't see how this would be practical. When you start out with questions this basic and can't REALLY answer them, it's not all that good a shot.

Remind me not to pay taxes and fund this idiocy.

T^T




LillyBoPeep -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/9/2011 12:10:51 AM)

wow, great post CrazyCats. ^_^ as i was reading the link i was thinking "well what about all the debris that's already up there?"
those little bits do a considerable amount of damage; protecting a space-based solar array would be difficult...
great insights, CC. ^_^




popeye1250 -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/9/2011 12:35:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

It's bullshit.

The transmission of power is nasty.  We're talking of a massive amount of power transmitted through radio waves or some similar medium.  I once read an analysis of this which proposed beaming the power down by microwave.  Talk about a massive health risk, and to top it off, the analysis projected that the temperature would be raised a degree or two by this.  That will cause all kinds of issues, as Al Gore has stated.




Steven, doesn't Algore have a degree in "divinity?"
Now he's an expert in science."




CrazyCats -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/9/2011 12:39:58 PM)

hlen5 - You're most welcome hlen5! It is an interesting topic, and while it is not currently possible, it has a high probability of being accomplished now that NASA is just a regulatory body. At least I think they are, I could be wrong, but someone has to be a regulator for space transit. I suppose the FAA could do it, but I like having NASA handle it. To me, it would be a great salute to the past and those who gave their lives for the future.



LBP - Thank you! The more I think about it, the more I am sure that this one has been addressed by current technology by this point. It would nearly have to be to keep the ISS floating. I somehow doubt that they would want to EVA that often for repairs. I haven't had the time to really look into that one, besides there is a chance that it's not publicly known.

CC




Anaxagoras -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/9/2011 12:55:12 PM)

Interestingly many in the tin-foil hatted brigade claimed that a US microwave weapon caused the earthquake in Haiti last year, including one Hugo Chavez who claimed it would be used to destroy Iran!! [:D]




MrRodgers -> RE: I Love This Possibility... (8/9/2011 1:15:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CrazyCats

Tesla was broke well before he ever started on the global energy/communication antenna. He was financially backed by Westinghouse. Unfortunately, the combination of smear campaign and back room deals from Edison Labs kept the vastly superior wireless electric technology suppressed for just a little under a century. MIT is just now starting to work with some of Tesla's simpler designs. (That nifty charging mat for cell phones and other tech toys? That's an MIT redesign of Tesla's work with more modern materials.)

The trouble with mad scientists is that they usually don't do what they do for money, so it can be rather had to monetize their inventions. That was what Westinghouse faced. If he did manage to finish it, which he was very close to doing when they pulled the plug, they would have only received high brand recognition from basically inventing wireless internet/global power delivery. They would not have been able to really charge for its use the way Edison was able to charge for the use of his tech. Business doesn't always run on what is actually superior technology, or what would be best for the world. Business runs to gain money. The problem with Tesla wasn't his technology, it was his business model. Which really sucks, because we would have been far more advanced today if the better technology won out.

As far as wireless energy transmission, there are a few other alternatives to microwave beams and radio waves, which would have a pretty large downside of becoming deathrays, as well as the minor issues of signal degradation, interference, and redistribution. We could easily take a page from Tesla and piggy back the power on electromagnetic sphere covering Earth. Unfortunately, there could be some unforeseeable consequences with this idea, since the only tests run on the effects were done about a century ago, and science was a little less rigorous at the time.

Space Solar power has potential. Fortunately, it's problems are solvable, and it has far less limitations as far as energy harvesting is concerned. The sun's light is far weaker here on Earth's surface than in space. We have an atmosphere and the aforementioned electromagnetic shell protecting us from really high powered, wide spectrum light. The reason earth based solar arrays are so expensive is simply because of the number of them needed to collect anything useful. A good analogy would be two rain buckets. The one in the desert would have to be very large and very efficient, while the one in a rain forest could very nearly have a hole in it while still being sufficient.

To be fair though, it would either have to be pretty far from Earth, or really sturdy, because the amount of floating junk around our planet would decimate current photo-voltaic arrays. Even distance from Earth would not truly solve that issue as micro-asteroids can do levels of projectile damage that would make tanks envious. The ones on the ISS and other space stations are hardy but they need constant repair. (Though I may be wrong there, it has been a while since I have heard anything about solar arrays on the ISS.)

A few notes...

It was Tesla's A/C current that has obviously ruled the century...not Edison's DC.

Also, Tesla would have fared much better if Edison hadn't defrauded him. Promised $50,000 upon the successful approval of a few certain patents and doing so for Edison's company...was never paid. That's when Tesla then went to and licensed his A/C patent to Geo. Westinghouse.

The whole problem as I see it with space based solar power is harnessing and sending to earth. the terawatts that would be needed to make it practical.




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