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Fightdirecto -> Even our military is getting worried about the hostage takers (7/31/2011 8:20:12 AM)

Troops ask amid debt crisis: Will we get paid?

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CAMP LEATHERNECK, Afghanistan — A half a world away from the Capitol Hill deadlock, the economy and debt crisis are weighing heavily on U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

And the top question on their minds Saturday even as bombings rocked the city around them, was one the top U.S. military officer couldn't answer.

Will we get paid?

"I honestly can't answer that question," Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told troops at Kandahar air base in southern Afghanistan
, as several expressed anxiety over budget wrangling in Washington.

Mullen also told them they would continue to go to work each day.

But he offered a bit more optimism than defense officials have acknowledged when those questions have come up in recent weeks. He said he believed that troops would be paid eventually, regardless of what happens.

"I have confidence that at some point in time, whatever compensation you are owed, you will be given," said Mullen, who is making his 15th trip to Afghanistan, just two months before he retires. But, he noted, "There are plenty of you living paycheck to paycheck so if paychecks were stopped it would have a devastating impact very quickly."

"I'd like to give you a better answer than that right now, I just honestly don't know," he said...

Asked whether Congress members would cut their own benefits if they acted to cut military pay, Mullen triggered chuckles when he recommended the troops e-mail their representatives with that query.

"They're the ones that can answer that particular question," he said at a town hall-style gathering of soldiers in Kandahar.

While a group of congressmen pushed forward a bill this week to ensure that the active military servicemen still get paid in the case of default, there's no firm plan yet.


Comments on the article from it's website:

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We should transport every member of Congress to the middle of Afghanistan, put a gun in one hand, a bottle of water in the other and tell them they can leave once they get this figured out. I bet they would come up with a solution fairly quickly.


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Take away the gun and the bottle of water - they won't need them.




Sanity -> RE: Even our military is getting worried about the hostage takers (7/31/2011 9:04:59 AM)


Newsbusters has two very good articles directly pertaining to the hateful far left "hostage takers" talking point / rhetoric:

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Charles Krauthammer Scolds Margaret Carlson for Saying Tea Party 'Strapped Explosives to the Capitol'

...MARGARET CARLSON, BLOOMBERG NEWS: I have to downgrade Charles here. You initially said why don’t Republicans, you know, take the victory. And it’s because there’s a nihilist caucus which is, “Listen, we want to burn the place down." I mean, they’re not, they’ve strapped explosives to the Capitol and they think they are immune from it. The Tea Party caucus wants this crisis, and do we want to do this again six months from now? This whole two-step process is another thing which is they like the drama. They want to do it again.

[image]http://www.newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/thumbnail_photos/2011/July/Margaret.png[/image]

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I thought that post-Tucson we weren’t supposed to accuse our political opponents of being terrorists.

CARLSON: Nihilists.

KRAUTHMAMMER: Strapping a bomb is a terrorist. No, actually Charles, that rule was never intended for liberals.


Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/07/29/krauthammer-scolds-lib-columnist-claiming-tea-party-has-strapped-expl#ixzz1ThP5BvJ9


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Media, Democrats, and the President Have Been in Lockstep with the Tea Party as Terrorists Message


Throughout his tenure, there have been several facets in which President Obama has been demonstrably weak on leadership, with the debt debate coming to the forefront in recent months.  Now however, lost in that news cycle has been another failure of leadership for the President – his own request to tone down violent rhetoric in this country.  For it was mere months ago that Obama stood in front of a crowd in Tucson that had anxiously sought leadership amidst the chaos of the Gabrielle Giffords

shooting; a teachable moment that had The Guardian gushing about how the President had delivered “calm amid the toxic rhetoric.”

That moment of calm has long since dissipated.  Where once the President had denounced discourse that places “the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who think differently than we do”, we hear Republicans blamed for holding the American people hostage to their economic policies.  Where once we were urged to talk “with each other in a way that heals, not a way that wounds”, we now hear Tea Party members being denounced as terrorists.


Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/rusty-weiss/2011/07/30/media-democrats-and-president-have-been-lockstep-tea-party-terrorists-m#ixzz1ThQUXJ00







farglebargle -> RE: Even our military is getting worried about the hostage takers (7/31/2011 9:09:00 AM)

Fuck them. Stop paying them and bring them all home, then we won't have to hear them whine like little bitches anymore.




Lucylastic -> RE: Even our military is getting worried about the hostage takers (7/31/2011 9:19:07 AM)

LMFAO just LMFAO








willbeurdaddy -> RE: Even our military is getting worried about the hostage takers (7/31/2011 10:58:58 AM)

Zero chance they wont be paid. If anyone has first hand information from anyone currently deployed Id love to hear if the "fear" is real or hyped.




Moonhead -> RE: Even our military is getting worried about the hostage takers (7/31/2011 11:48:23 AM)

You sure of that, Wilbur?
You haven't had a good run with predictions or bets lately, after all...




TreasureKY -> RE: Even our military is getting worried about the hostage takers (7/31/2011 12:17:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Zero chance they wont be paid. If anyone has first hand information from anyone currently deployed Id love to hear if the "fear" is real or hyped.


I wouldn't say there is "zero" chance they won't be paid.  That kinda makes it sound like the problems of when they'll be paid and how consistently don't exist.  Those things matters just as much.

Firm and I have three sons who are or were in the Army... deployed to both Iraq and Afghanistan.  The two oldest have gotten out in the past couple of years, and I have one more who was just recently deployed to Afghanistan. 

I haven't heard from the one in Afghanistan for over a week, so I can't say if they are specifically worried about the recent goings on in Washington.  However, I can say they were seriously worried back in April when there was the possible government shutdown.  I imagine these current issues are just as alarming to them.

While single soldiers may not have as many concerns, the ones with spouses and children are severely impacted.  These guys (and gals) don't need that kind of worry on top of the physical and emotional stress they are already dealing with.

I mentioned our other sons specifically because of the experiences they have had with the military and pay/benefits.  Firm and I are both veterans from the cold war era, and we have both been absolutely stunned by the changes in the military just in the past 25 years.  In our minds, it is outrageous how the soldiers of today are treated.

As just one example, when I was discharged, I was not allowed to leave the outprocessing center without all pay and every document I would ever need in the future securely in my hand, with copies.  My oldest was discharged in mid 2009, but did not receive his final pay until March of this year... nearly two years later... and that was after having to jump through a myriad of bureaucratic hoops.

There are many other horror stories we could tell about the treatment our sons have received... both in terms of poor leadership, and in services and benefits.  I wish I was confident that our Government has the soldiers' welfare high on their priority list, but what we've seen and experienced tells a different story.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Even our military is getting worried about the hostage takers (7/31/2011 12:44:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Zero chance they wont be paid. If anyone has first hand information from anyone currently deployed Id love to hear if the "fear" is real or hyped.


I wouldn't say there is "zero" chance they won't be paid.  That kinda makes it sound like the problems of when they'll be paid and how consistently don't exist.  Those things matters just as much.



Thanks for the first hand info.

I still say there is a zero chance they wont be paid, and Ill go further..they will be paid on time. Okay...I'll modify it to "effectively zero chance". It would be political suicide for anyone who voted directly against b.a.y. for the troops. I would also expect that the House GOP would present a clean bill to do exactly that, demanding a straight up and down vote. Let the Senate Dems strike it down. Not gonna happen.




Owner59 -> RE: Even our military is getting worried about the hostage takers (7/31/2011 12:54:49 PM)

That`s the "it couldn`t happen here" theory that died in '08' when the impossible happened.


Folks don`t want to risk anymore than what they`ve already lost.We don`t want another reccesion or any level of downturn.


I predict the con`s talking points,when a default/downturn happens,will be how democrats created it.Most cons will chime with the same line.Some will even believe it.




popeye1250 -> RE: Even our military is getting worried about the hostage takers (8/1/2011 7:29:09 AM)

Let me guess, Margret Carlson was speaking, metaphorically.
Funny, anytime someone mentions the "Tea Party" the left starts running around in circles and speaking in tongues like a snake-chucker.
"Tea Party!" "Blaaaaabalabbabalabba!"
It's awfully entertaining!




pahunkboy -> RE: Even our military is getting worried about the hostage takers (8/1/2011 7:31:07 AM)

So who won?




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