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Google plus - 7/27/2011 2:00:44 PM   
DavidLee44UK


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Status: offline 		been sent an invite

because its just invite only for now

but will play with it over coming weeks

and no wont send any1 here invites sorry

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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 2:05:35 PM   
RapierFugue


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been sent an invite

because its just invite only for now

but will play with it over coming weeks

and no wont send any1 here invites sorry


lol! The net is awash with invites - I've been using it for for weeks.

I love the way you try to make out it's something special :) It's like you're a Billy No-Mates On Tour Special :)

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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 2:53:58 PM   
DavidLee44UK


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unlike with facebook you can send stuff to a subset of your friends ie share a horror film review only with friends who like horror

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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 2:56:00 PM   
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google circles is nice

unlike with facebook you can send stuff to a subset of your friends ie share a horror film review only with friends who like horror


No, really?


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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 3:17:15 PM   
VaguelyCurious


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My dad keeps pestering me to try it out, but I am too lazy. I'm gonna wait and see if the herd actually moves or not, I think.

(And up until right this second I thought that the whole 'invite only' thing was stupid, because it's a social network so I figured that obviously everyone was going to realise google's got a vested interest in the invites being as un-exclusive as possible, so there's not really any cachet involved in getting one. But obviously people are falling for it. So sorry, google. I apologise for doubting your marketing strategy, should you care. Which obviously you don't, because you're google.)

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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 3:28:52 PM   
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(And up until right this second I thought that the whole 'invite only' thing was stupid, because it's a social network so I figured that obviously everyone was going to realise google's got a vested interest in the invites being as un-exclusive as possible, so there's not really any cachet involved in getting one. But obviously people are falling for it. So sorry, google. I apologise for doubting your marketing strategy, should you care. Which obviously you don't, because you're google.)


It's not a marketing thing. It's an infrastructure thing.

G+ is still technically a beta. So they have a product that still has some holes in it, and where they couldn't handle either the fault reports of, say, a billion people at once, plus their server infrastructure won't have been set up to support a billion (or more) people either, from day one, coz that'd be daft.

So they release on an "open invite" model; they gear up what infrastructure they need to in order to support those numbers, and then de-bug in real time as that cohort increases in size, relatively quickly, but still in a manageable fashion. If they hit a major problem they'll just restrict new invites for a few days to give themselves the time and bandwidth to sort it.

It's the same model they used with Gmail, and that was just about the smoothest ultra-large scale rollout anyone's ever seen. G+ will do the same, assuming people like it, and I think they probably will.

Plus they now have a load of development resource from what used to be Google Labs (their skunkworks unit) at their disposal (since croaking G Labs back into the common dev pool), so if they decide to add new functionality as they go they've got the bods to do it.

They're getting very good at this stuff, and given how terrible Facebook is, there's every chance they'll make a success of it.

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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 3:30:42 PM   
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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 3:35:09 PM   
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Ah, ok. I hadn't thought of it like that.


That's part of the beauty of their deployment model - it's so elegant it's almost invisible :)

Personally, given the diabolical berties Facebook take with their users' data, and how little they care about security, I'm looking forward to someone who knows how to run large-scale systems giving it a go.

Can't be any worse :)

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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 3:39:01 PM   
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I've been spending more time on facebook this week for work-related stuff than I've ever spent there in my life before.

I want to kill it all. ALL OF IT.

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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 3:45:09 PM   
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Innit.

I've been spending more time on facebook this week for work-related stuff than I've ever spent there in my life before.

I want to kill it all. ALL OF IT.


Facebook: Shit functionality. Shit security. And all your data are belong to them*

G+ has already had its first biggie; Picassa issues. But they're sorting that, and a thousand other things, coz frankly they have more dev resource than they know what to do with, and they love showing that off. Frankly, it gives me the horn :)

*being my usually scrupulously fair self, google has staked a claim to quite a bit of your data, but frankly I actually trust them not to fuck about with it too badly, not because they're saints, but because they know how much more profit there is to be made from users who aren't especially paranoid about what Google are doing with their data, whereas the average FB user wouldn't trust FB to put the kettle on without fucking it up and selling the results on ...

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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 3:50:53 PM   
VaguelyCurious


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Frankly, it gives me the horn :)

It makes me laugh that you say that about this on this particular site.

Not to call you old, but I think my generation thinks differently about personal data; I am resigned to the internet knowing it all.

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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 3:55:43 PM   
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Frankly, it gives me the horn :)

It makes me laugh that you say that about this on this particular site.

Not to call you old, but I think my generation thinks differently about personal data; I am resigned to the internet knowing it all.


Well I am old, compared to many, so I'm not offended.

But I wasn't referring to that; I was referring to the sheer size and talent level of the development/software engineering resource they have to call on. I'd give a couple of major internal organs to manage that kind of team :)

And while many of your generation feel that way about their personal data, an increasing percentage are taking an interest in shielding their most sensitive data through fairly well-known and well understood tactics.

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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 4:00:20 PM   
VaguelyCurious


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But I wasn't referring to that; I was referring to the sheer size and talent level of the development/software engineering resource they have to call on. I'd give a couple of major internal organs to manage that kind of team :)

I was talking more about facebook. Maybe I should have used more quote boxes to make that clearer. But yeah, I'm pretty sure the organs would be worth it.

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And while many of your generation feel that way about their personal data, an increasing percentage are taking an interest in shielding their most sensitive data through fairly well-known and well understood tactics.

Increasing from what to what, though? A significant percentage, or just the uber-nerds?

And it'll be interesting to see what the next generation's attitude to internet privacy is; right now all my big brothers' friends are sprogging and every single baby photo of all of their children is up on the internet. Privacy, they have none, right from birth.

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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 4:02:59 PM   
orchid77


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Status: offline 		I like G+- I am networking with professionals and it makes me feel like what IRC was.

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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 4:06:55 PM   
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Increasing from what to what, though? A significant percentage, or just the uber-nerds?


It's not nerdy anymore; geek* is cool now. The "non sporty" types are all over the tech, and crucially, not only are large percentages of girls now into tech, many of them are fit, and seeking geek as their partners. Oh to be 30 years younger :)

But it's a good thing - the next generation are getting to grips with what they need to, and for every large-scale system they know a dozen ways round it. Data-mining being an especially tempting target.

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
And it'll be interesting to see what the next generation's attitude to internet privacy is; right now all my big brothers' friends are sprogging and every single baby photo of all of their children is up on the internet. Privacy, they have none, right from birth.


Oh for sure; vast numbers of the great unwashed have no idea, but enough of them do to make it unlikely FB or G+ will get it all their own way.

*the difference between a nerd and a geek being, of course, that a geek knows they're a geek ;)

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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 4:17:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		RapierFugue I tend to agree, nerd is definitely in now. And it does seem that women are looking for that type. I remember a time when connecting online with others meant something. When I was on IRC (way before the dl mIRC) came around, it was so fun to talk to others from all over the world. And then meet them once a year. EFnet and Undernet was the in thing...where you had to use your wits to get on IRC. Anyway...nowadays most people on FB accept anyone as their friend. I for one do not have 500 or 1000 FB friends. I don't accept anyone. But G+ gave me a reason to accept others into my circles, because we actually talked to each other. Having conversation about cell phones, photos, and the weather it made the person interesting and therefore we G+ them.

I hope G+ keeps the old feel. The hangouts are great and I love just chatting it up!

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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 4:24:53 PM   
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RapierFugue I tend to agree, nerd is definitely in now. And it does seem that women are looking for that type. I remember a time when connecting online with others meant something. When I was on IRC (way before the dl mIRC) came around, it was so fun to talk to others from all over the world. And then meet them once a year. EFnet and Undernet was the in thing...where you had to use your wits to get on IRC. Anyway...nowadays most people on FB accept anyone as their friend. I for one do not have 500 or 1000 FB friends. I don't accept anyone. But G+ gave me a reason to accept others into my circles, because we actually talked to each other. Having conversation about cell phones, photos, and the weather it made the person interesting and therefore we G+ them.

I hope G+ keeps the old feel. The hangouts are great and I love just chatting it up!


I love the look & feel; there's a simplistic clarity to it I think is smashing, especially when one considers the functionality that's been built in, even at this early beta stage; as time passes, given what they did with Gmail, I think if people jump aboard, and I feel they probably will (and I hope they do), then I think it could be amazing in 2 or 3 years time.

Oh and it works a treat on an Android phone too :)

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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 4:26:13 PM   
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Although I still maintain that the majority of my generation don't 'need' to get to grips with hiding their data or getting around google - perceptions are changing, and the knee-jerk 'ohnoes the internet mustn't know anything about me ever ever ever or the world will end!' reaction is less prevalent.

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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 4:31:40 PM   
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Heyyyyy, I didn't mean 'nerd' in a derogatory sense!

Although I still maintain that the majority of my generation don't 'need' to get to grips with hiding their data or getting around google - perceptions are changing, and the knee-jerk 'ohnoes the internet mustn't know anything about me ever ever ever or the world will end!' reaction is less prevalent.


If you were hip to the vibe, daddy-O, you'd know that the hep cats these days see "nerd" as an insult and "geek" as a compliment ;)

<fx: Jazz Club Mode>

Grrrrr-eat!

My experience with youngsters these days is that generally they either don't care at all about their data entering the melange, or else they take reasonable precautions. The numbers who are truly paranoid about the net and their data's lifespan are a truly small sub-group, but then I tend to speak to reasonably techie types, so my sample may be skewed*

*if it is I don't mind coz I've still got the ointment from last time it happened ;)

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RE: Google plus - 7/27/2011 4:33:16 PM   
VaguelyCurious


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And I'm not sure ointment would cut it. Maybe you should get that looked at if it keeps happening.

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