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Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 2:09:47 AM   
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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 2:29:04 AM   
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/labs-grow-human-animal-hybrids/story-e6frf7jo-1226100312444


A typically shock-horror interpretation of research that could benefit treatment of many different conditions.

Disappointing. The ignorant will go spare, as usual.

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 2:59:06 AM   
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/labs-grow-human-animal-hybrids/story-e6frf7jo-1226100312444


The story is written in a completely sensationalist way, I would really have liked to read a bit more about the research, instead they just went on about creating those strange mutations and everybody is on about Frankenstein's lab, or Jurassic Park, they are not creating human apes or creatures out of horror movies, from my understanding (and somebody please correct me if I am wrong) they are implanting part of the DNA into another cell to find out if they can cure certain diseases. As to the fertilizing animal eggs with human sperm, doesn't work, the Minotaurus is part of legend, and despite certain rumors about what people in remote parts of the country do with sheep and goats, so far I haven't seen "offspring" of those unions. If you cross a horse and a donkey, the mule is infertile and their genes are a damned lot closer than humans and apes. So this whole idea of creating some horror park is a bit far fetched.

The fact that they took it from the Daily Mail should be enough to make people pause...

To put it rather simple, those are just cells, the animal DNA has to be removed and is replaced with human DNA, they are just used to harvest the stem cells for stem cell research, in the hope to cure diseases. We are not talking about half animal, half human creatures, we are talking about cells, stem cells that have the possibility to grow into different tissue. The aim is to - at one point in the future - transplant the cells, use the stem cells and cure a disease.

Is there a moral component? Yes certainly, but to be honest the moral component of somebody dying or suffering from a disease that could be cured by more research into this outweights it.

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 3:58:43 AM   
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/labs-grow-human-animal-hybrids/story-e6frf7jo-1226100312444


This probably tells you all you need to know ... and it's damn funny to boot.

http://youtu.be/5eBT6OSr1TI

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 4:16:47 AM   
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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 4:55:46 AM   
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Here you go: http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/m/moreau.htm


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How cool is that?! I want to be Puma Man!

Half man, half slightly dangerous, medium-sized cat that doesn't hunt and kill people, just leaves really egregious piles of poo on their lawn.

Sweet.

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 5:00:51 AM   
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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 5:13:29 AM   
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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 5:17:44 AM   
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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 5:21:05 AM   
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Yep. It's bad news for diabetics too, as I think they make insulin out of pigs as well...




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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 5:31:51 AM   
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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 5:37:57 AM   
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Yep. It's bad news for diabetics too, as I think they make insulin out of pigs as well...



Pigs and cows ("it could be moo!") ... however, not many use that sort. From memory, so not guaranteed 100% accurate; of roughly 800,000 Type I diabetics in the UK, only about 28,000 use pig or cow derived insulin. Most insulin is now bacterially-generated synthetic insulin, a.k.a. "biosynthetic insulin".

Similarly, in the US, animal-derived insulin usage is also on the decline, and tends to be used only for those patients showing an intolerance to human- or synthetically-derived insulin, as it's more expensive to produce, and there is anecdotal evidence that animal-derived insulin is not as well tolerated in the extreme long-term, but as yet no large-scale study has confirmed or refuted that; there was a medium-scale Canadian study a while back that said there was no issue, but that's yet to be re-studied on a macro scale.

Part of the point of some of these studies is to look at how we can introduce human DNA into close-matching animals (like pigs), such that we could then use animal organs for transplants ... it'd be a shame if ignorance choked off that avenue of investigation.


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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 7:58:48 AM   
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Yo, hunky, where ya at ?

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 8:01:56 AM   
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Im really surprised that hunky hasn't grabbed this story and run with it.

Yo, hunky, where ya at ?


Oh christ no; not the tinfoil hat poster child ... anything but that :(

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 8:22:47 AM   
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Im really surprised that hunky hasn't grabbed this story and run with it.

Yo, hunky, where ya at ?


He's till busy searching underneath his bed for this:



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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 8:59:52 AM   
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A typically shock-horror interpretation of research that could benefit treatment of many different conditions.


I agree. The speculations and unsupported conclusions people draw are divorced from the research itself.

Remember the horrors people predicted when heart transplants were new, just a few decades ago? Today, no one blinks.

Stephen Jay Gould's statement still holds true today:

My greatest unhappiness with most popular presentations of science concerns their failure to separate fascinating claims from the methods that scientists use to establish the facts of nature. Journalists, and the public, thrive on controversial and stunning statements. But [...] Science, in its most fundamental definition, is a fruitful mode of inquiry, not a list of enticing conclusions.


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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 9:12:09 AM   
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My greatest unhappiness with most popular presentations of science concerns their failure to separate fascinating claims from the methods that scientists use to establish the facts of nature.



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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 9:15:23 AM   
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They probably make the antivenom shots for spiders out of walruses...


lol i think pigs dna is closest to ours not sure

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 9:21:57 AM   
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My greatest unhappiness with most popular presentations of science concerns their failure to separate fascinating claims from the methods that scientists use to establish the facts of nature.




Another carefully reasoned argument from one who can't distinguish between what he assumes will be said and what is actually said.

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids - 7/27/2011 9:49:05 AM   
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They probably make the antivenom shots for spiders out of walruses...


lol i think pigs dna is closest to ours not sure


I thought chimpanzee DNA was closest to human DNA.


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