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Government is GOOD - 7/26/2011 11:06:28 AM   
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A DAY IN THE LIFE OF AN AVERAGE MIDDLE-CLASS AMERICAN

"Why We are in Denial About the Value of Government

So why are most people in denial about the beneficial roles that government plays in their lives? There are several answers. First, most Americans have become so used to the benefits of government that they simply take them for granted. Benefits that are provided reliably for long periods of time – such as clean water and a stable currency system – tend to fade into the background and to not be considered benefits at all. They disappear from our consciousness.

Our failure to notice or appreciate what government does for us also has to do with the unique and peculiar nature of many government benefits. The benefits we get from paying our taxes are usually not immediate, and they are often not particularly tangible either. They can be remote and elusive. This is easy to see if we contrast government benefits with the benefits we receive from exchanges in the marketplace. When we go to the store, we hand over our money and immediately get something very concrete in return – a candy bar, a blouse, some groceries. This kind of exchange is very satisfying; we see what we get for our money right away.

Not so with many of the exchanges we have with our governments. We shell out money for our taxes, but what we gain in return is frequently delayed or remote. For instance, we pay our local government to treat our sewage, but the environmental payoffs may not be immediately obvious to us. When we later go fishing or swimming in our local lake or river – waters whose purity depends upon adequate sewage treatment – we probably do not see this enjoyable experience as a result of our sewer tax. When benefits are remote like this, it is hard to make the connections between them and the taxes we pay. It is unlikely, for example, that we associate sending our check to the IRS with getting reliable weather forecasts every morning, or with the purchase of a flack vest that saves a police officer’s life in Los Angeles, or with badly needed emergency aid that goes to a hurricane victim in Florida.

Government benefits are also different because they are often less tangible than the goods we get from a store. These benefits frequently take the form not of the presence of something, but of the absence of something. Think of it this way: much of the job of government in our lives is to ensure that bad things don’t happen to us. We pay taxes so that our homes don’t get burgled, and our food doesn’t make us sick, our banks don't fail, and our bridges don’t collapse. In other words, often when people in government are doing their job right – nothing happens. No wonder no one notices. So while we really do get a lot for with our taxes, we often get it in a form that is largely invisible to us. This is one of the reasons why we too easily fall for the illusion that government is doing nothing for us.

The Conservative Campaign Against Government

There is, however, another much more disturbing reason that most of us mistakenly believe that government doesn’t do much for us: it’s because this is what we are being constantly told. One of the most consistent political messages promoted by conservative pundits and politicians in this country is that our governments are essentially thieves – that they take our taxes but rarely give us back anything of value. The political right is continually telling us that we benefit little from public programs. Here’s how Dick Armey, former Republican House Majority Leader, used to drive this point home: “I don’t want to give the impression that most government programs are designed, even ostensibly, to help families with the needs of everyday life. Most government programs don’t even pretend to do that, and very few American families would notice their disappearance."2

This idea that government programs do not benefit the average American is simply one part of a larger smear campaign against government being waged by the right-wing in the country. During the last 30 years, conservatives have spent a great deal of time and money trying to convince Americans that government is bad. They have relentlessly promoted a series of negative stereotypes about government, invoking ominous images of “Big Brother” and the “Taxman.” They have blindly ignored everything that is right with government and aggressively advanced a vision of government as a dark force in society. We have been continually told that government is inefficient, ineffective, corrupt, oppressive, overly expensive, and bad for business. The core message has been clear: government doesn’t help us, it hurts us; it doesn’t solve problems, it is the problem. This claim that “government is bad” has been a central political theme in virtually every Republican election campaign during the last three decades. Americans have always been somewhat suspicious of government, but this tendency has been greatly exacerbated and exaggerated by a steady diet of anti-government rhetoric coming from the political right.

The media often go along with the conservative smear campaign against government – sometime intentionally, sometimes not. Explicitly right-wing media outlets like Fox News are full of daily diatribes against big government. Conservative commentators lambaste "wasteful" social programs, "ridiculous" regulations, and the "stupid" liberals who support these things. Even the more neutral mainstream news outlets inadvertently convey an almost entirely negative view of government to the public. It is not news when government works well, only when it fails. So news stories focus on policy blunders, government waste, and corrupt politicians. When is the last time that you heard something positive about government in the media – something about how government is working to improve people’s lives?

In this context, it is hardly surprising that most of us mistakenly believe that government programs do little to benefit us – that is what we are being constantly told. Every day we are hearing about what is wrong with government, so it is inevitable that we tend to develop an incomplete, distorted, and negative view of the public sector. But it is time to set the record straight about this much-maligned public institution. That is the purpose of this website."



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RE: Government is GOOD - 7/26/2011 11:27:12 AM   
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oh they do a lot to benefit government

you apparently like the table scraps thrown your way?

hows that "Change" working for ya pal?


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RE: Government is GOOD - 7/26/2011 12:10:12 PM   
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quote:

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oh they do a lot to benefit government

you apparently like the table scraps thrown your way?

hows that "Change" working for ya pal?


Is this the best you can come up with to counter that well written piece, RO? A pathetic and petty string of mindless words put together in a feeble attempt at both humor and 'conservative principles'?


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RE: Government is GOOD - 7/26/2011 2:01:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
oh they do a lot to benefit government

you apparently like the table scraps thrown your way?

hows that "Change" working for ya pal?


Is this the best you can come up with to counter that well written piece, RO? A pathetic and petty string of mindless words put together in a feeble attempt at both humor and 'conservative principles'?

Au contraire. If I am on the right, there are many times when I love govt. I can be a right wing repub, and imagine...a corn farmer among other agric. products, I could be a defense contractor, I could be an exporter, I could be an 'American' manufacturer, with Asian employees in the east, I could be on wall street, I could be a banker...

...and I love the status quo. I don't want anything to change and not...just my tax rate.

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RE: Government is GOOD - 7/26/2011 2:12:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
oh they do a lot to benefit government

you apparently like the table scraps thrown your way?

hows that "Change" working for ya pal?


Is this the best you can come up with to counter that well written piece, RO? A pathetic and petty string of mindless words put together in a feeble attempt at both humor and 'conservative principles'?




huh?

I gave you people fucking substance how many times and its either over your heads or the whole lot of ya are entrenched in it.

which is it?

Here again:

WISCONSIN CAFR


Now that is just my state alone, all toll da guv you luv has nearly 110 trillion squirreled away in sub agency investments trusts and retirement funds.   -and its all lego!

Tehy control the stock market what a fucking racket huh?

RICO!

Then they cry they are fucking broke!

Oh and lets not forget the CRIS accounts and the judges slush funds!

Meantime the middle class and poor are getting their asses sandpapered.

yeh I cant count the reasons to luv da guv.    Like sands on the beach!


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RE: Government is GOOD - 7/26/2011 8:41:21 PM   
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Evil Horrible Marxist Socialist Shit the Government Completely Fucked Up, Like the GI Bill, the Interstate Highway System, The CDC, ...

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RE: Government is GOOD - 7/26/2011 9:24:57 PM   
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roads, bridges, police, fire fighters, schools, libraries, clean water, clean air, judges, public defenders...the list of what we get for our taxes is simply endless. Unfortunately, there are some on the right who believe that all of this should be privatized. The problem with privatization is that it works in the short term, even saving a few precious dollars, but in the long term costs always rise faster than when government does those things.

There is a Koch Ind. plant in my city, right down by the bay. Last year one of the smoke stacks blew up and we had black fog for two days, an awful odor in the air and no response from company management. They don't believe they need to respond--or pay the fine that was imposed--because they are trying to gut the clean air act.

I don't know about some right wingers (those who support the gutting of the clean air act) but I enjoy breathing clean air not the awful stuff that had me and others gasping and choking a year ago from the Koch accident.

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RE: Government is GOOD - 7/26/2011 9:41:30 PM   
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quote:

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roads, bridges, police, fire fighters, schools, libraries, clean water, clean air, judges, public defenders...the list of what we get for our taxes is simply endless. Unfortunately, there are some on the right who believe that all of this should be privatized. The problem with privatization is that it works in the short term, even saving a few precious dollars, but in the long term costs always rise faster than when government does those things.

There is a Koch Ind. plant in my city, right down by the bay. Last year one of the smoke stacks blew up and we had black fog for two days, an awful odor in the air and no response from company management. They don't believe they need to respond--or pay the fine that was imposed--because they are trying to gut the clean air act.

I don't know about some right wingers (those who support the gutting of the clean air act) but I enjoy breathing clean air not the awful stuff that had me and others gasping and choking a year ago from the Koch accident.
Well, you know, the ratfuckers (my affectionate term for the Goopers) just defunded the FAA. So now when you fly, your safety takes a back seat to the lowest bidder making a profit.

The Kochsuckers are TRULY evil. Their father started the John Birch Society, did you know that? I might start a thread soon on The Powell Memo, which is how all this horrible lunatic rightwank insanity got started.

On another note, Gov. Scott Walker (Shithead College Dropout, Wisconsin) just had his Voter ID bill passed. Gotta have a picture ID from the DMV. But he's closing a bunch of DMV offices. Care to guess where? Naaaaawwww, I'll tell you...
DEMOCRATIC districts.


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RE: Government is GOOD - 7/26/2011 11:16:24 PM   
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Great thread HK.

I have to admit that, for some time, I have been a tad perplexed by one argument that emanates from the Right in the US.

On one hand, it argues that the US system is the best and has no qualms about exporting this system of Govt overseas, even at the point of a gun.

OTOH it argues that the US Govt is proven liar, taxes are theft and the Govt is 'the enemy of the average citizen'. Govt has to be minimised to the point of non-existence. Until that happens it has to be distrusted completely at all times.

This position seems rather contradictory to me.

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RE: Government is GOOD - 7/27/2011 2:28:39 AM   
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Great thread HK.

I have to admit that, for some time, I have been a tad perplexed by one argument that emanates from the Right in the US.

On one hand, it argues that the US system is the best and has no qualms about exporting this system of Govt overseas, even at the point of a gun.

OTOH it argues that the US Govt is proven liar, taxes are theft and the Govt is 'the enemy of the average citizen'. Govt has to be minimised to the point of non-existence. Until that happens it has to be distrusted completely at all times.

This position seems rather contradictory to me.



Thats because countries which do not yet have democratic governments should be forced to have them while this country moves closer and closer to fascism. But it is all good.

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RE: Government is GOOD - 7/27/2011 8:21:50 AM   
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More government means less freedom, and more wars and corporate bailouts. Privatization of some of the things mentioned here, such as, uh, the entire judicial branch, is anarchy, not conservatism. Government is a necessary evil. Always has been, always will be. The less we control it, the more it controls us. Our Declaration of Independence explains why we need limited government. If you haven't read it, it only takes a few minutes.

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RE: Government is GOOD - 7/27/2011 8:26:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Great thread HK.

I have to admit that, for some time, I have been a tad perplexed by one argument that emanates from the Right in the US.

On one hand, it argues that the US system is the best and has no qualms about exporting this system of Govt overseas, even at the point of a gun.

OTOH it argues that the US Govt is proven liar, taxes are theft and the Govt is 'the enemy of the average citizen'. Govt has to be minimised to the point of non-existence. Until that happens it has to be distrusted completely at all times.

This position seems rather contradictory to me.


Since its not the same people on the "Right" that think those things, the contradiction only exists in your mind.

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RE: Government is GOOD - 7/27/2011 8:26:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Great thread HK.

I have to admit that, for some time, I have been a tad perplexed by one argument that emanates from the Right in the US.

On one hand, it argues that the US system is the best and has no qualms about exporting this system of Govt overseas, even at the point of a gun.

OTOH it argues that the US Govt is proven liar, taxes are theft and the Govt is 'the enemy of the average citizen'. Govt has to be minimised to the point of non-existence. Until that happens it has to be distrusted completely at all times.

This position seems rather contradictory to me.

I'm trying to remember who said:

"The Republicans say Government is the problem. And they want us to put them in charge of the government so they can prove it."

Or

"Do you want the person driving your kid's school bus to be someone who doesn't believe in driver's training, speed limits, stop signs or red lights?"


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RE: Government is GOOD - 7/27/2011 8:43:02 AM   
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quote:

Government is GOOD


I used to point out, in counter to "I don't trust the government," that our actions and lifestyles belie our implicit trust daily.

But after a while, you just get tired. Some people simply want to be upset.

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RE: Government is GOOD - 7/27/2011 10:26:14 AM   
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Government may not be, in and of itself, "good".

But I prefer it to no government at all (AKA "Anarchy").

As the philosopher Hobbs said (paraphrasing):

"Man is inherently evil and selfish. We need government and laws to protect ourselves from each other."

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RE: Government is GOOD - 7/27/2011 12:27:48 PM   
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No argument with the rest, but in your context, no government at all would be "chaos" rather than "anarchy".
"Anarchy" is based on voluntary cooperation without coercion: and I doubt you'll get that sort of Kropotkinism in America before hell freezes over...

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RE: Government is GOOD - 7/27/2011 12:34:35 PM   
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Government is neither good or bad. It's what is done with/by it.

Governments don't kill people, people kill people.

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