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George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes, Fal... - 7/19/2011 4:26:51 PM

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I remember when Bush temporarily cut taxes on the rich. He promised that this would not lead to deficit spending. We went from a projected surplus to deficit spending before the end of his presidency. He promised, even with his multiple wars, that this would not be the case... and even if it were, there was a sunset clause in this tax cut.

So, years in the stream of time democrats "allow" the republicans to make those tax cuts permanent.... and then republicans say we need to cut social security to balance the budget. They want to "make government so small you can drown it in a bathtub".

These cocksuckers made promises to get elected, not to "raise taxes" It does not matter what happens to this country. It does not matter how many jobs are lost, how much suffering there is... they refuse to raise taxes. There is no scenario under which they would raise taxes... none. Their campaign promises mean more than their country.

This debt ceiling debate is another example of the lack of wherewithal to do the right thing, even if it might mean a challenge to their elected office. It is because they are nothing but narcissists. Their position means more than country.... they just do not give a fuck what happens to us.

You cannot compromise with these fuckers. You cannot negotiate with them... I will quote George Bush "you can't negotiate with terrorists"

I have a warning for those bastards in the House.... if they let Grandma and Grandpa lose their social security, Grandma and Grandpa are going to storm the Hill with pitchforks in hand....

Lets see how many of them get to fiddle away while Rome burns...

The question following this rant, is the current crisis the final proof we need that our government is irrevocably broken? And if it is, what can we do about it?

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/19/2011 4:35:39 PM

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No, the question following this rant is why bother posting when its so obvious you either dont know wtf youre talking about or youre lying.

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/19/2011 5:20:16 PM

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http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/refs/Mozilla_Scrapbook3/Milbank_)2003-02.html

http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/07/bush-budgets/

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2004/broken_promise.html

Where doesnt she know wehre she is talking about? Where is she lying?

Looks like you need some book learning, this seat of your pants stuff makes you look stupid when you dont know what you are talking about, lying and wrong all the time Wilb.

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/19/2011 5:29:58 PM

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"No, the question following this rant is why bother posting when its so obvious you either dont know wtf youre talking about or youre lying."

So now you're imnipotent. I guess it was your turn.

T^T

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/19/2011 5:42:14 PM

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quote:

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"No, the question following this rant is why bother posting when its so obvious you either dont know wtf youre talking about or youre lying."

So now you're imnipotent. I guess it was your turn.

T^T

You misspelled "impotent".

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/19/2011 6:10:57 PM

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quote:

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The question following this rant, is the current crisis the final proof we need that our government is irrevocably broken? And if it is, what can we do about it?

I wrote this post almost three years ago predicting a debt increase of 6.9 trillion dollars by the end of Obamas first term (which was still a trillion or so less than it would have been under McCain). At that time the debt was 11.1 trillion.. now, half-way through his term, we are almost exactly on track with what I had predicted.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_2214713/mpage_1/key_obama%252Ctax%252Cplan/tm.htm#2214713

The bottom line remains the bottom line.

We're fucked and we've known it for a while now.

What I find interesting is that the ranting over a $14 trillion dollar debt (money already owed) is small change compared to the 60 trillion in obligation which will be due. How come we never, ever talk about that 60 trillion dollars?

Yup.. we are well and truly fucked.

As to what we can do about it.. I'll have to get back to you on that one after I hear from my fairy Godmother. I'm counting on the magic wand.

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/19/2011 6:20:32 PM

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We have to cut spending (most likely defense spending as well as social spending) and we have to raise taxes... period, end of story. How we could get into this situation in a little more than a decade is flabbergasting to me

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/19/2011 6:22:36 PM

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And I almost forgot, do you remember right after 911 how the Bush Admin insisted that deficit spending wasn't bad, that some debt was actually good?

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/19/2011 6:27:08 PM

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We have to cut spending (most likely defense spending as well as social spending) and we have to raise taxes... period, end of story. How we could get into this situation in a little more than a decade is flabbergasting to me

We had a temp reprieve with the explosion of the Internet which created oggles of jobs (and made Clintons number look really good. Bush never got that sort of benefit). That was never going to last. This has not been the result of 10 years, Julia.. more like 60 years. The same folks who thought the gas would last forever - It was always Pie in the sky and fuck future generations - that is what has led us to this point.

The blame for what goes on does not lie in the house, or the senate. It does not lie with the prez. It falls squarely on the shoulders of 'we the people.' It's time we recognize our fuck up and take ownership of same.

We need to cut spending, yes.. but it won't do a damn bit of good unless and until we cut USING.

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/19/2011 6:29:52 PM

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the explosion of the Internet which created oggles of jobs

No, it didn't---Internet companies are comparatively very low on staff. Much of the "work" is done by servers.

Google employs quite a few people, but they are an exception.

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/19/2011 6:46:19 PM

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the explosion of the Internet which created oggles of jobs

No, it didn't---Internet companies are comparatively very low on staff. Much of the "work" is done by servers.

Google employs quite a few people, but they are an exception.

It's not just internet companies that were created.. it was the ability of business to market their products and sell them as well. A business in NY could sell product to someone in CA. Now, that NY company is going to hire someone to ship that product for them. That NY company is going to hire someone to build their website, market their products and advertise for them. That's still job creation. It's not an internet job, it's a job created due to the internet. Multiply that by the number of Etsy and Ebay folks who are selling product as a direct result of the Internet.

Google
Zynga
Facebook
Yahoo

Those are 4 biggies. The number of jobs created for those that work directly for them is one thing.. the number of jobs created directly *because* of them is another.

In 2009 ComputerWorld estimated that the number of Internet jobs created in the last 10 years was approx 1.2 million and that's with the Internet already showing some age. If the number of jobs created is still that large 'now'.. what was it like back in the late 80s when things were still being tried and tested? How did Clintons numbers get so big if the Internet did not have a major impact on job creation?

1.2 million jobs in the last ten years (as of 2 years ago). That seems pretty significant to me.

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/19/2011 6:50:26 PM

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The thing that gets me is attacking social security, which should not even figure into budget talks since it is a self sufficient program if it were left alone....

To blame social security for our economic travails boggles.

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/19/2011 8:09:38 PM

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social security does not add to the deficit, however, the republicans hate all of the safety nets and will use any excuse they can to try to eliminate them. the debt and debt ceiling are just the latest excuses.

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/19/2011 8:39:13 PM

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While the rate of our debt is indeed unsubstainable....I don't believe debt itself is evil.Government serves many purposes,and they are not exclusive to today's taxpayer...many,many programs,social contracts,even defense spending dollars directly benefit those same future taxpayer.....is he not liable for some measure of that cost?
Will he not ,in turn pass on debt to another future generation?
What am I missing here?

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/19/2011 9:13:50 PM

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the explosion of the Internet which created oggles of jobs

No, it didn't---Internet companies are comparatively very low on staff. Much of the "work" is done by servers.

Google employs quite a few people, but they are an exception.

Youre smarter than this. It wasnt just the internet companies themselves creating jobs (and there were a couple of million of those lost when the .com bubble burst), there were all of the support services and manufacturing that those companies supported, from chip makers to computer fabricators to advertising agencies. Their presence helped fuel commercial property construction, phone and cable network expansion and so on.

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/19/2011 9:14:59 PM

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The thing that gets me is attacking social security, which should not even figure into budget talks since it is a self sufficient program if it were left alone.....

No, its not, and you may be the only person silly enough to say that, even on this site.

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/19/2011 11:57:55 PM

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The thing that gets me is attacking social security, which should not even figure into budget talks since it is a self sufficient program if it were left alone.....

No, its not, and you may be the only person silly enough to say that, even on this site.

Actually, if Social Security was self sufficient, and protected from idiot Republicans, it wouldn't be much of a problem for the budget. But, as we all know, Republicans hate senior citizens as much as they hate young adults. Even more curious that you defend Republicans, regardless of how silly or insane the defense would be to mount.

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/20/2011 7:00:12 AM

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The thing that gets me is attacking social security, which should not even figure into budget talks since it is a self sufficient program if it were left alone.....

No, its not, and you may be the only person silly enough to say that, even on this site.

If politicians would have kept their fucking mitts off it Social Security would not have a problem.. it would be self sufficient... it is because they ripped off our pension plan that it is fucked up.

Anyone with even a modicum of knowledge knows this

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/20/2011 7:07:23 AM

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During 2002, the first fiscal year for which Bush was responsible, he spent $159 billion of the Social Security Trust Fund surplus.

You can check it at the CBO.

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RE: George Bush, "temporarily" Cutting Taxes,... - 7/20/2011 12:31:50 PM

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Look at Facebook worth about 100 billion, yet employes less than 2500 people in this country

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