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Meditation advice - 7/13/2011 6:04:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I used to practice T.M. -transcended meditation. For the clueless, just google the words and you will easily trip on an answer. But in time it became less efective. I've been trying since then to find out some kind of meditation exercise that would increase both my mental and general awareness, for both mental and physical tasks. ( like TM used to do for me) But to no avail.

I was wondering if someone could suggest something and point me out in a good direction, preferably one that comes with no financial burdens.

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RE: Meditation advice - 7/13/2011 9:17:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ummmm....it may be more effective to google the words, "transcendental meditation". Just sayin'.

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RE: Meditation advice - 7/13/2011 10:05:08 AM   
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http://www.tm.org/ - here is a quick link.

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RE: Meditation advice - 7/13/2011 10:08:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Meh...I fight my being pedantic all the time about language. Just thought it would be easier for people to find it if it was the proper term. In my case, I will use positive thoughts. I love self-hypnosis & am a very good subject. To me, that's pretty much what tm is, isn't it?

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RE: Meditation advice - 7/13/2011 11:36:16 AM   
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I've been trying since then to find out some kind of meditation exercise that would increase both my mental and general awareness, for both mental and physical tasks.


Coffee.

I've never done TM, though friends have, but I've meditated for years. And if it "no longer does it for you," you haven't been doing it.

Read Ram Dass' "Journey of Awakening."

Or get a Reconnection done--well worth it, and you'll be back on track in ways that continue to amaze me. You can find a practitioner near you with the directory at TheReconnection.com

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RE: Meditation advice - 7/13/2011 7:09:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not sure what you mean by it's not effective for you anymore but I need to practice yoga before I'm ready for meditation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatha_yoga

Hatha represents opposing energies: hot and cold (fire and water, following similar concept as yin-yang), male and female, positive and negative. Hatha yoga attempts to balance mind and body via physical postures or "asanas", purification practices, controlled breathing, and the calming of the mind through relaxation and meditation. Asanas teach poise, balance and strength and are practiced to improve the body's physical health and clear the mind in preparation for meditation.

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RE: Meditation advice - 7/13/2011 7:33:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are many, many techniques and traditions of meditation in the world. It would be very difficult for you to get good advice that fits your specific needs, from strangers on the internet. We don't know your training, aptitude or experience. You can get many good possibilities and suggestions, and you already have gotten several, but none of us can know what it is that you actually need.

In that light, I won't try to offer any specific suggestions, but I'll suggest where you should look. If your aim is to increase awareness and alertness, then you probably need something from the kinds of meditation practiced by martial artists. For that matter, you might benefit from practicing a martial art; one of those that maintains a strong spiritual element and includes meditation practices in its training curriculum.

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RE: Meditation advice - 7/13/2011 11:38:16 PM   
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I've never done TM, though friends have, but I've meditated for years. And if it "no longer does it for you," you haven't been doing it.
You've never done it, yet you can say if he has or not?


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RE: Meditation advice - 7/14/2011 12:37:00 AM   
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I've never done TM, though friends have, but I've meditated for years. And if it "no longer does it for you," you haven't been doing it.
You've never done it, yet you can say if he has or not?



Arpig the way I read MM's comment and my own understanding of meditation as a long time practitioner is that meditation isn't about achieving a goal eg. relaxation, to feel more focused etc and the minute a person starts to meditate in order to become or achieve something, they are actually not meditating.  Meditation is simply about being in that moment and a side effect may be to feel more relaxed but that isn't the goal.

so for me, if someone says that any type of meditation isn't doing it for them anymore, I would wonder if they have become attached to an outcome rather than simply on the practise.

That is my zen way of looking at it though

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RE: Meditation advice - 7/14/2011 1:07:58 AM   
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increase both my mental and general awareness, for both mental and physical tasks.

Going precisely by what you've asked, i.e., that you are seeking to obtain a benefit with respect to mental and physical tasks, the most productive approach would be one that is optimal for your goal, rather than a meditative discipline that provides such benefits as a side-effect, and, depending on the technique, perhaps only an eventual side-effect, following upon having worked your way through a great deal more than is bargained for in your purpose.

Specifically, then, what you want is to train your attention. Now there are a number of programs, research based and respectable, that will accomplish this using visual and auditory targets, with some even including distractions to be ignored. But human beings have trained their attention for millenia, and almost anything will do. It is, however, as difficult as it is simple.

Basically, choose something to concentrate on. The second hand of an analog watch, for example. Track it as long as you can before you "lose" it to some train of thought or other distraction. Repeat until you can relaxedly track it for a full minute. A traditional method used a candle flame. For an auditory target, a gong is ideal. Strike it, and practice keeping your attention on the fading sound until you can follow it all the way to silence. You can extrapolate from there on your own. The goal is to train your ability to direct your mind and relaxedly maintain it where you want it.

More broadly, attention training has been found to be therapeutic in a wide range of circumstances. How many people suffer from an inability to concentrate? How many are given to unproductive ruminations, or find themselves plagued by thoughts that embody the worst possible outcome in situations they face? Being able to control your mind is central to mental health and well-being, but there are no short-cuts.

It's the old story, grasshopper... practice, practice, practice.

K.

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RE: Meditation advice - 7/14/2011 4:22:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		To all the contributers - Thnak you for the wondeful contributious, it went better than I expected .I had a doubt to share a post like this on a BDSM site, but I guess i made the right choice.

Just a small addition to my OP. I am , I don't know if it  is the right word, but I am rather empathic, or quite empathic. I even gave it a funny name - spiritual Hypochondria. People's energy, and room's energy have an effect on me, whether it be good or bad. I have real evidence of this, when going into certain places, or passing near people with a certain kind of energy. So, as you can see it does not help my mental health.

Now, going specific -

TO KIRATA :

That was a great post and I will certainly put your suggestions to good use.

TO WANDERSALONE :

Bingo. I loved your post. Actually it was right on the money and I didn't realise it until you hit me in the face with it.
I guess I was more focused on my own expectations, than in the practice itself. I need to get back on track and to the basics.

TO ARPIG :

As usual, a life saver, dude.

"Aham, aham, thank ya' very much."

TO DEMSPOTIS :

An intelligent and informed suggestion my friend, 

TO KALIKSHAMA :

I practice physical exercise regularly, and addapt some yoga elements into it, but not sure if it fits me. I have tried breathing, energy and spiritual cleaning exercises also.

TO MUSICMISTERY :

Is reconnection anything like reiki?

TO LINNEABOREALIS :

Actually,  affirmations made out loud and repeated to yourself can create positive effects if used regularly.


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RE: Meditation advice - 7/14/2011 4:36:42 AM   
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Just a small addition to my OP. I am , I don't know if it  is the right word, but I am rather empathic, or quite empathic. I even gave it a funny name - spiritual Hypochondria. People's energy, and room's energy have an effect on me, whether it be good or bad. I have real evidence of this, when going into certain places, or passing near people with a certain kind of energy. So, as you can see it does not help my mental health.


Don't know if that's any help, but years ago I was going through something similar, picking up emotions to the point of sometimes replying to questions the other person thought, I was thinking I'm going crazy as I don't really buy into the whole "psychic" concepts, what it turned out was that for some odd reason I was going through a phase where I was subconsciously very good at picking up signals that usually are overlooked, our bodies run on electricity, moods and such usually also send tiny signals out, consciously you might not pick them up but subconsciously some people do more than others, you might be more affected by it if you're a bit "off" or not feeling your best because it then feels almost like it's coming from you. Once you realize what it is and where it comes from, it affects you a lot less and you can actually work with it, like if somebody is giving you the creeps or your gut feeling reminds you to be careful with somebody. It's not a bad thing at all, it's just recognizing it for what it is, for the sake of your own sanity.

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RE: Meditation advice - 7/14/2011 4:52:42 AM   
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Just a small addition to my OP. I am , I don't know if it  is the right word, but I am rather empathic, or quite empathic. I even gave it a funny name - spiritual Hypochondria. People's energy, and room's energy have an effect on me, whether it be good or bad. I have real evidence of this, when going into certain places, or passing near people with a certain kind of energy. So, as you can see it does not help my mental health.


Don't know if that's any help, but years ago I was going through something similar, picking up emotions to the point of sometimes replying to questions the other person thought, I was thinking I'm going crazy as I don't really buy into the whole "psychic" concepts, what it turned out was that for some odd reason I was going through a phase where I was subconsciously very good at picking up signals that usually are overlooked, our bodies run on electricity, moods and such usually also send tiny signals out, consciously you might not pick them up but subconsciously some people do more than others, you might be more affected by it if you're a bit "off" or not feeling your best because it then feels almost like it's coming from you. Once you realize what it is and where it comes from, it affects you a lot less and you can actually work with it, like if somebody is giving you the creeps or your gut feeling reminds you to be careful with somebody. It's not a bad thing at all, it's just recognizing it for what it is, for the sake of your own sanity.


I am opened to all possibilities and theories. because I myself have yet to understand it well . Maybe it is the aura that needs cleaning. Maybe It works like a magnet, All I know is that I may be feeling depressed and all of a sudden I am feeling any one of a range of emotions, just like a rollercoaster. It looks like I am talking about bipolarity. but I feel it is something else.

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RE: Meditation advice - 7/14/2011 5:28:11 AM   
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I practice physical exercise regularly, and addapt some yoga elements into it, but not sure if it fits me. I have tried breathing, energy and spiritual cleaning exercises also.


Try Kundalini style yoga for more of this.

You may also enjoy Ashtanga, or power yoga if that is not available. I recommend training with teachers, but Rodney Yee is a fair substitute: http://www.amazon.com/Power-Yoga-Flexibility-Rodney-Yee/product-reviews/B00008G76R/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_helpful?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

For advanced beginners or intermediate practitioners:
http://www.amazon.com/SHORT-FORMS-Practice-Ashtanga-Swenson/dp/B0002444ZQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1310646302&sr=1-1

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RE: Meditation advice - 7/14/2011 5:34:35 AM   
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I am , I don't know if it is the right word, but I am rather empathic, or quite empathic. I even gave it a funny name - spiritual Hypochondria. People's energy, and room's energy have an effect on me, whether it be good or bad. I have real evidence of this, when going into certain places, or passing near people with a certain kind of energy. So, as you can see it does not help my mental health.


Carolyn Myss is a medical intuitive. You might enjoy her books, especially the later ones where she shows people how to channel this sort of energy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Myss
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RE: Meditation advice - 7/14/2011 5:40:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you're picking up too much "static" from other people around you, try this, prepare a warm bath with sea salt and olive oil. Soak in it, making sure you immerse your heart (chest). Stay in a good while, and as you do visualize a light blue layer of energy covering your whole body, like a wet suit. When you have that clear in your mind, open the drain but stay in until all the water is gone. Air dry...don't use a towel. That should help you get grounded again and reduce the sensitivity to other vibrations.

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RE: Meditation advice - 7/14/2011 5:52:35 AM   
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It is a movement meditation. You move your body based on different rhythms, being in touch with how it feels, just going with the flow, following what makes sense to you in that moment. This kind of movement thingy actually changed my life. I went to a workshop that she ran (Sweat Your Prayers). It was amazing. I got to such a deep state of meditation that I couldn't speak hardly at all for 3 days. Absolutely life-changing (for me).
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RE: Meditation advice - 7/14/2011 5:56:03 AM   
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"...Just a small addition to my OP. I am , I don't know if it  is the right word, but I am rather emphatic, or quite empathic. I even gave it a funny name - spiritual Hypochondria. People's energy, and room's energy have an effect on me, whether it be good or bad. I have real evidence of this, when going into certain places, or passing near people with a certain kind of energy. So, as you can see it does not help my mental health."



Quite often this is a result of a person either not knowing effective grounding techniques or forgetting to ensure they are grounded/shielded to prevent this from happening. It's a matter of trying different methods to ground yourself so when you are around a group of people, you don't draw upon their energies and start feeling like a battery on overload ready to explode.


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RE: Meditation advice - 7/14/2011 8:10:13 AM   
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Is The Reconnection anything like reiki?


In a way, though with a fundamental difference. Reiki is an energy technique, and a very good one at that. Practitioners will often feel intense heat, for example.

The Reconnection deals with specific frequencies of vibration. If you were here, I'd demonstrate by having you hold out your hand, my hands about 6-8 inches from yours. You would feel a sensation, kind of like an electric current, as as I stretched that connection, you'd feel it grow stronger. People during a Reconnection report a wide variety of physical/emotional/spiritual/energy experiences, both during and following the session. The point, though, isn't so much a specific healing as it is getting onto your life path. Ask anyone who's experienced it. Things change, and definitely for the better.

Dr. Eric Pearl wrote a great book about Reconnective Healing, "The Reconnection: Heal Others, Heal Yourself." The Reconnection is a refinement (based on his subsequent research) of the Axial-tonal alignment he describes in the book.

You can also find a bunch of youtube stuff, and if you're interested, there are DVDs on "The Essence of Healing," a talk by Pearl, "The Science of the Reconnection," by Doug DeVito (a two DVD set), "The Living Matrix," and more.

There are practitioners around the globe--65,000. TheReconnection.com has a good search engine for their practitioner directory.

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RE: Meditation advice - 7/14/2011 8:11:59 AM   
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I am loving this thread, hoping to learn something. The things that relax most folks make me a nervous wreck, I tend to relax with some loud blues going in my ears.

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